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Outline of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is my first FLC! I am nominating this for featured list because the Marvel Cinematic Universe is the highest-grossing film franchise and one of the most popular media franchises today. It has had a significant impact on the film industry and has a large following with various articles going into much detail on the different aspects that make up this franchise. This list outline provides a comprehensive breakdown of these working parts to help guide readers through navigating this multimedia franchise. I do want to stress that while some of these tables are transcluded from sub-articles, they have been designed with visual aid and navigation on this list in mind. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - You're good on column and row scopes, but unfortunately the pseudo-headers within the tables (like "Phase One") don't meet accessibility standards. The more complete explanation is at MOS:COLHEAD, but in short while they look visually like a new header, they're not actually like that in the table code so screen reader software treats them like their a cell from the first column (e.g. the first film is named "Phase One"). You need to either make the phases their own tables or else make "Phase" a column in the combined table. COLHEAD has examples of both. Same goes for the other tables.
- Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 02:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Good to know! I think I would prefer using captions over adding another column for "Phases", just to avoid bundling more text together in the tables than is necessary. I'll be testing this out here shortly. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Trailblazer101: Where some of these tables originate, they don't need the captions visible because they are virtually duplicating the heading right by the table. This will then affect how they appear here and I think we need to go the route of subsections. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, I understand. My thinking now is that maybe we should vacate the saga sections and split them up by phases entirely, as to avoid overdoing subheaders. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nevermind, I now see the changes you've made. That handles it better. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Great. Also, I can totally tackle the TV tables later today or tomorrow. Those I know will be a bit of coding work to ensure everything appears where it needs to at other articles. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, that's kind of why I put them off until last. An assist would be greatly appreciated for those! Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok I think I've gotten it all settled. We'll just need to see if the captions are worded the way we want (in particular the Marvel TV ones), and then what ever other hatnotes we'd need on the outline article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks a bunch! Okay, I just tweaked some display for the future films with that WM update tag as it was spanning the width on different columns too much, especially for some empty cells. They all look good to me, though I'm not currently sure what other hatnotes we may need. Would it now be appropriate to introduce the {{Transcluded section}} hatnotes to the outline sections where applicable/appropriate or would that be overkill? Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My thought on hatnoes was if under say "Phase One" we should have it there, even though I have now linked it in the prose below "The Infinity Saga". {{Transcluding article}} may be better as a "catch all" if desired. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I think either one could work for this, though transcluded section may be more preferred as it would provide links in each section which would be beneficial for the Marvel Studios series. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have gone with {{Transcluded section}} for each of the sections where applicable and swapped the {{Main}} instances with those given it accomplishes two tasks at once. I also included specific section headers in the links for readers to easily click to, though I will note when you click to edit, it goes straight to the page and not the sections, though I don't think that's an issue. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I think either one could work for this, though transcluded section may be more preferred as it would provide links in each section which would be beneficial for the Marvel Studios series. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My thought on hatnoes was if under say "Phase One" we should have it there, even though I have now linked it in the prose below "The Infinity Saga". {{Transcluding article}} may be better as a "catch all" if desired. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks a bunch! Okay, I just tweaked some display for the future films with that WM update tag as it was spanning the width on different columns too much, especially for some empty cells. They all look good to me, though I'm not currently sure what other hatnotes we may need. Would it now be appropriate to introduce the {{Transcluded section}} hatnotes to the outline sections where applicable/appropriate or would that be overkill? Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok I think I've gotten it all settled. We'll just need to see if the captions are worded the way we want (in particular the Marvel TV ones), and then what ever other hatnotes we'd need on the outline article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, that's kind of why I put them off until last. An assist would be greatly appreciated for those! Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Great. Also, I can totally tackle the TV tables later today or tomorrow. Those I know will be a bit of coding work to ensure everything appears where it needs to at other articles. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nevermind, I now see the changes you've made. That handles it better. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, I understand. My thinking now is that maybe we should vacate the saga sections and split them up by phases entirely, as to avoid overdoing subheaders. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Trailblazer101: Where some of these tables originate, they don't need the captions visible because they are virtually duplicating the heading right by the table. This will then affect how they appear here and I think we need to go the route of subsections. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: The accessibility suggestions have all been addressed. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Good to know! I think I would prefer using captions over adding another column for "Phases", just to avoid bundling more text together in the tables than is necessary. I'll be testing this out here shortly. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sgubaldo
editIn an effort to get things moving forward, I'll review this.
- Lead
- "...has expanded to consist of various superhero films and television series produced by Marvel Studios and television series from Marvel Television, as well as short films, digital series, and literature, among other media." ==> "...has since expanded to include various superhero films and television series produced by Marvel Studios, television series from Marvel Television, short films, digital series, literature, and other media."
- "The franchise has been commercially successful, becoming one of the highest-grossing media franchises and the highest-grossing film franchise of all time, having grossed over $29.8 billion at the global box office" ==> "The franchise has been commercially successful and has grossed over $29.8 billion at the global box office, becoming one of the highest-grossing media franchises and the highest-grossing film franchise of all time."
- "This includes Avengers: Endgame (2019), which became the highest-grossing film of all time at the time of its release" ==> "This includes Avengers: Endgame (2019), which concluded its theatrical run as the highest-grossing film of all time" to avoid repetion of "time"
- "....television series, and it has inspired other film and television studios to attempt similar shared universes." ==> "....television series, and has inspired other film and television studios to attempt similar shared universes."
- Organizations
- "Marvel Studios – Creator of the MCU and the production company for its films, some television series, and other media; part of Walt Disney Studios and currently owned by the Walt Disney Company" ==> "Marvel Studios – Creator of the MCU and the production company for its films, television series, and other media; currently part of Walt Disney Studios"
- Indent the bullet point for Marvel Television so that it falls under Marvel Studios
- "Marvel Television – Production company for some television series; a division of Marvel Studios and currently owned by the Walt Disney Company" ==> "Marvel Television – Production company for some television series; currently a division of Marvel Studios."
- Influential people
- Does Louis D'Esposito deserve a mention as co-president?
- "Kevin Feige helped conceive of a shared media universe of Marvel properties." ==> "Kevin Feige helped conceive a shared media universe of Marvel properties."
- Content
- "The Phases also include multiple series and two specials streaming on Disney+" ==> "The Phases also include multiple television series and two specials streaming on Disney+"
- Adventure Into Fear was supposed to be set in the MCU but not cross over while Paul Zbyszewski stated Helstrom is not set in the MCU. Perhaps remove it or mention this in a note?
- Notes
- Note e.: "...television development process, moving away from head writers and began to hire dedicated showrunners for their series....." ==> "...television development process, moving away from head writers, and began to hire dedicated showrunners for their series....."
- In Note g., switch the references so that Ref. 132 appears first.
- Sourcing (not a full source review, just things that I caught a glimpse of)
- Ref. 1 is missing IMDb as publisher and an archive link. You can use Template:Cite Box Office Mojo if you want.
- Refs. 205, 206, 207, 209 and 216 have Amazon as the publisher, which seems wrong. Also consider giving each one of them a link to their corresponding Google Books page.
- Change Comixology to ComiXology in Ref.196 and wikilink it
- Add a link to here and an archive of that for Ref. 199
- @Sgubaldo: All done, minus using Cite BOM as it doesn't support the site's franchise pages. I retained the link to "superhero films" in the lead as it is helpful to some readers.Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The missing link was an error on my part. As a final comment, please add the authors to the various prelude comics.
- Other than that, I'm happy to Support. Sgubaldo (talk) 09:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support always nice to see the dedication in the MCU articles. Given Phase 1 managed to become a Good Topic, hope more of the Phase overviews get to FL soon to enable more topics. igordebraga ≠ 15:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 18:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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