Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sabella pavonina
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 19 Dec 2023 at 07:37:02 (UTC)
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- Reason
- Was seen on Commons FPC last month, where it was featured unanimously.
- Articles in which this image appears
- Sabella pavonina
- FP category for this image
- Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Animals/Others
- Creator
- Romano Gianluca
- Support as nominator – MER-C 07:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment – Sparse and technical target article. Not used elsewhere on Eng. Wiki. – Sca (talk) 14:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I'm too worried about the article text and subject as such, but the complete lack of inline citations, though... I think there needs to be a reasonable assumption the article can pass AFD, and without some work, it's not quite there.
Oppose.Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.6% of all FPs. 01:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I'm too worried about the article text and subject as such, but the complete lack of inline citations, though... I think there needs to be a reasonable assumption the article can pass AFD, and without some work, it's not quite there.
- I see no chance of it getting deleted at AFD. It is notable and has four sources (the sources look solid). It certainly needs inline citations. The first source and the first external link are online, and I think enough to cite at least half of the content. Bammesk (talk) 15:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden: @Bammesk: OK, I've added six solid references with inline citations and removed the unhelpful general references that were not actually cited (all popular natural history guides with no specific pages indicated). I also expanded the description slightly. Interestingly, and contrary to what I expected when I first saw this image, the seahorse is evidently not food, but just an accidental by-catch. Unlike sea anemones, Sabellid worms do not capture and digest large prey; they eat only tiny particles that are small enough to be fanned by the cilia on the tentacles and carried to the mouth of the worm down in the tube. So the photo, while dramatic, is somewhat misleading. Choliamb (talk) 16:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- In fact, the more I think about it, the more I wonder how accurate it is to describe this seahorse as "captured". I'm not a marine biologist, but the seahorse doesn't look obviously dead or trapped (i.e., entangled in the radioles) to me. Is it possible that he's just passing the time here for some reason? Choliamb (talk) 16:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Choliamb, thanks for all the work. I am not a marine biologist either (and I know much less than you, given your comments above), but I think that in the image captions (in article and in nom) changing the description from "captured" to "entangled" (or similar) makes sense, as you suggested. Sometimes words like "captured" and "entangles" are mistakenly used for one another, or mistranslated, when the author (en-Wiki editor) isn't fluent in English. FWIW, the Italian description on the image page doesn't say captured, nor entangled. Bammesk (talk) 03:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Good to know that the original photographer made no claim that the seahorse was captured. I've edited the image caption here and in the article to remove that word. I've also corrected the typo in the Latin name and changed the peacock worms to plural, since two are shown in the photo (or three, if you count the one partly visible in the left background.) – Choliamb (talk) 15:19, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Now adding my Support. Choliamb (talk) 15:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Choliamb, thanks for all the work. I am not a marine biologist either (and I know much less than you, given your comments above), but I think that in the image captions (in article and in nom) changing the description from "captured" to "entangled" (or similar) makes sense, as you suggested. Sometimes words like "captured" and "entangles" are mistakenly used for one another, or mistranslated, when the author (en-Wiki editor) isn't fluent in English. FWIW, the Italian description on the image page doesn't say captured, nor entangled. Bammesk (talk) 03:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support, with Choliamb's comment needing dealt with. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.6% of all FPs. 17:47, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- In fact, the more I think about it, the more I wonder how accurate it is to describe this seahorse as "captured". I'm not a marine biologist, but the seahorse doesn't look obviously dead or trapped (i.e., entangled in the radioles) to me. Is it possible that he's just passing the time here for some reason? Choliamb (talk) 16:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden: @Bammesk: OK, I've added six solid references with inline citations and removed the unhelpful general references that were not actually cited (all popular natural history guides with no specific pages indicated). I also expanded the description slightly. Interestingly, and contrary to what I expected when I first saw this image, the seahorse is evidently not food, but just an accidental by-catch. Unlike sea anemones, Sabellid worms do not capture and digest large prey; they eat only tiny particles that are small enough to be fanned by the cilia on the tentacles and carried to the mouth of the worm down in the tube. So the photo, while dramatic, is somewhat misleading. Choliamb (talk) 16:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I see no chance of it getting deleted at AFD. It is notable and has four sources (the sources look solid). It certainly needs inline citations. The first source and the first external link are online, and I think enough to cite at least half of the content. Bammesk (talk) 15:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support – the file page needs an English description. Bammesk (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support Charlesjsharp (talk) 17:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support – Yann (talk) 11:20, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Support – Hamid Hassani (talk) 08:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Promoted File:Sabella pavonina - Hippocampus hippocampus - Porto Cesareo, Italy (DSC2314M).jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 10:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)