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December 4

Wikitable formatting

I want to drop a whole bunch of data from Microsoft Excel into a wikitable. However, as I understand wikitables between each Excel row I must add a line with "|-". Is there a combination of characters that could be used on a single line to preceed my data to substitute for the syntax which requires a separate line with these characters?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Your question has been answered above. Please check for answers before posting a new question. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

My screen froze. I could not see the reply. Thanks. I have found what I need.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

How would you reference this?

I am writing a paper on Autism and dont know the author or editor. Please HELP!!

The title is Autism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.223.184 (talk) 01:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I know that some teachers/professors have not allowed students to use Wikipedia as a source for projects/essays because they consider Wikipedia to be unreliable, but if it's Ok then by all means, US IT! :) To reference it, I suggest you just have a Bibliography that has the URl of the page. ~ Bella Swan 01:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia and the result [1] of clicking "Cite this article" in the toolbox at Autism. PrimeHunter 01:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I would NOT use Wikipedia as a source. I might look at the references in the article as a starting point to reesearch the subject. Congolese (talk) 04:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I would; using common sense as a guide. People think that Wikipedia is not reliable because not all statements are cited in all articles. But if the statements within an article are cited and you can verify the claims made in an article by checking the citations then by definition there is no problem. Dr.K. (talk) 05:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

One major issue that my past professors have brought up is that Wikipedia articles can change. Your cited article might espouse a totally different point of view when someone checks it, and it may show different facts or data. When you cite something, it should be the same when someone goes back to check on your citation. --Sowelu (talk) 06:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Facts supported by in text citations are immune to that. It works like this: You see a sentence. The sentence at the end has a superscript in square brackets with a number. Click on the number and you get the citation at the end of the article. Click on the citation and you go to the website where the fact verification resides. I would say this system is pretty close to bulletproof. Now if you come back and you don't see the same sentence, someone took it out. Check history and see any difference in edits between versions. If a vandal took it out bring it back in. If not someone else will. Citation supported facts are very difficult to be personal POV of an editor because the citation mechanism provides instant verification through an external source. How many books can do this for you? Dr.K. (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Rashad Jeanty

Someone vandalised this page...Rashad Jeanty —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.145.133 (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I guess you refer to the alleged name "McCooter" in [2]. Thanks, I have removed it. PrimeHunter 02:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

payment for pictures

Hello!

We heard on the radio today that you will begin paying $40 for pictures that are added to wikipedia. Is this true? Does this include photographs? How do we start contributing? We are excited and ready to go! Thanks...

01:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.26.2 (talk)

This is false. On which radio station did you hear that? PrimeHunter 01:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

At least I assume it's false. I haven't heard it and would be surprised if it's true (unless perhaps if it's a bounty in special cases). PrimeHunter 01:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

There is the Philip Greenspun illustration project over at meta, where there has been a large donation which will be used to reward people who supply requested diagrams. It's still in the stage of working out which diagrams are needed, though. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• I think something like this was reported in the Signpost. - 131.211.161.123 13:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Noam Cohen wrote a piece for the New York Times yesterday, I think, but it was quite clear that the fund is only for technical illustrations, that specific needed illustrations will be requested, and that the illustrator will be selected. No one will be able to collect $40 just for slapping a random photo they took on Wikipedia. Natalie (talk) 00:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Mars dark Chocolate Bars

I have coupons for .50 cents off of your new 4 pack bars. I cannot find them NOWHERE. Where can I find them soon my coupon will be no good good till Dec31 07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.17.170 (talk) 02:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Something tells me you're in the wrong place. This is Wikipedia, a free encyclopedia; more specifically, this is the help desk, a place for asking questions about the aforementioned encyclopedia. How one could confuse an encyclopedia with a store cashier is beyond me. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 02:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia help desk frequently gets questions from people who appear to think it is the help desk for one of the companies or organizations there is an article about. Wikipedia has a high PageRank and is often the first Google search result. PrimeHunter 03:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

For example, Mars Bar is the first Google result for "Mars bar" (and Deep-fried Mars Bar is the second). PrimeHunter 03:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if MediaWiki could detect when an unregistered user has browsed in from a search engine results page, and display a banner above the page indicating that Wikipedia is not affiliated with the subject of the article? With exceptions for the few articles that Wikipedia actually does relate to (e.g., Wikipedia, MediaWiki, Wikimedia Foundation, Jimmy Wales, etc.). That may be overkill, but we get a fairly steady number of bewildered users who find their way to the Help desk. One supposes the ones who reach here are but a fraction of those confused by Wikipedia's recent dominance of search engine results. --Teratornis (talk) 08:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

4 related questions on a first article

I found the tutorials particularly unhelpful for a first article. There is no step-by-step instructions [i.e., first you do X, then Y, etc., and then when you have completed the article, you do Z to post it], or if there are, I couldn't find them. In any case, 1) I haven't figured out technical requirements for getting the title at the top of the page and in the right sized font [I have the title: "Uniformity and Jurisdiction in U.S. Federal Court Tax Decisions"], 2) I haven't figured out how to save material I've added [I lost 3 or more hours of work this afternoon]; hitting the save button at the bottom of the page next to the preview button doesn't seem to do it; 3) I haven't figured out what the last step is to actually post a completed article, and 4) at the top of the page, I've typed [[/ and then an identifier for the article, then 2 more brackets, but facing left. Does this in any way interfere with saving or posting the article? I could use some help on this since I'm up against a deadline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wdb35 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

First, never click save for any lengthy text until you have copied by highlighting the text and clicking copy (cntrl+C on many browsers) and ideally, to an offline document (you'd probably already figured that out). When you keep a page open for a long period of time it is not uncommon that you will have a "session data loss" message and it won't be able to save. If this happens, you can simply open up the document afresh (this time having saved your hard work somewhere else) and post it again. You might find the Wikipedia:Article wizard of help with a step-by-step approach. The title of an article is placed automatically by the software once saved. Another words, you don't actually type it; whatever name you gave the article will be its properly formatted name at the top. When you start the article, you just launch right into the text, for example: "'''Albert Einstein''' is a famous scientist..." (The reason Albert Einstein is surrounded by three apostrophes is that it is our style to boldface the first mention of an article's subject and our wiki markup translates those apostropes to boldface). I'm not sure of your reason for typing "[[/" at the top but no, it shouldn't interfere with saving. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe your work was saved at User:Wdb35 but I don't know whether that is it. 1) The title at the top of a page is automatically made by the software and is the name the page was saved under. 2) The save button next to the preview button is the right button to save a page. Occasionally the save doesn't work due to some problem which may or may not be Wikipedia's fault (it could be your browser, Internet connection and other things). If you have made long work then I recommend copying the text to an external text editor before saving. 3) Post an article by saving it at the name you want the article to have. You can for example click Uniformity and jurisdiction in U.S. federal court tax decisions (Wikipedia doesn't use upper case in article titles) and write an article there. 4) What you wrote at the top of the page does not interfere with saving (but I don't see a reason to write it). The rest is a standard reply to people who ask here how to make a new article:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 03:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Aha. I see you have created the article on your userpage, rather than in the mainspace and that's why you couldn't get the proper title. I have taken the liberty of moving it to the mainspace. It is at Uniformity and jurisdiction in U.S. federal court tax decisions. I'll help out a bit more with the formatting, categories and the like.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Signature problems

I think I'm using the correct tags and all, but my signature link does not seem to be working: Sinclair ^{talk/contribs}

Did I do something wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hostile Amish (talk • contribs) 04:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks right to me. What do you think is not working? PrimeHunter 04:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Image tagged for deletion

Hello again Helpdeskers

I just uploaded the image image:Black_Lamp_Atari_ST_screenshot.png for an article (Black Lamp) I created. It's a screenshot of the game in question. As soon as I uploaded it, it got tagged for deletion by a bot. The reason given was 'no fair use rationale'. When I uploaded it, I selected "non free/screenshot" as the category for it, which I thought was enough, but I've since learned that doesn't count as a fair use rationale - I have to actually write one as well. That's fine, I don't have a problem with that.. I've since gone to the image page, and added a fair use rationale. My question is twofold - firstly, did I do the fair use rationale correctly? I put it in the 'summary' section of the image page, is that where it should be? and secondly, having provided a rationale, is there anything else I have to do to prevent the image being deleted, or will the deletion tag be removed by someone else upon review?

Thanks, --Monorail Cat 04:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. Place the fair use rationale in its own section with the article name in the section heading like the examples. Then you can remove the tag. PrimeHunter 05:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Footnote problem

Resolved

VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 02:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

In the page, Kuala Lumpur, under footnote number 19, the {{cite news}} resulted in a redlinked date. How do i bluelink the date? kawaputra^torque 04:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. I've found the answer. kawaputra^torque 04:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

accuracy and security

i've noticed some incomplete information about some high profile individuals who engaged in illegal activities which were glossed over in the review due to their popularity. i believe more details of their crimes, or the defendants links - would paint a well balanced picture, but in light of the nature of the individuals i would be hesitant to input any information myself as i am not clear on just how private the editor's information is. how private is input? thx.

If you have an account, a very restrict group of people have access to your information (IP, location). This people are trusted users and don't check your information unless it's strictly necessary. I also advice you that anything you add on this criminals pages is well sourced (see WP:CITE), because Wikipedia has a strict policy when it comes to information about living people. -Yamanbaiia 10:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Note that everybody can find your chosen user name in the page history and see all other edits made by that account, except edits to deleted pages (and rare oversighted edits). If you are not logged in then everybody can see your IP address in the page history and this can sometimes be used to identify you. See also Wikipedia:Privacy. PrimeHunter 15:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

hotmail account loding

want to change my hotmail pass now but when i clicked to account summary, settings or services etc. it doesnt open, i can see only a turning ball and loading article, so how can i solve this problem —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.218.67 (talk) 06:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Try reloading the page and/or waiting a few minutes. Xiong Chiamiov :: contact :: 07:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Protection (2)

Why protect a user talk page from every non-administrator, when you're meaning to protect it from (a) particular user(s)? 124.176.152.82 20:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

There's no way to protect a user talk page against use by only that user. In the case of a user who is autoconfirmed, full protection is the only way to prevent abuse. WODUP 08:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Fully protected talk pages sometimes happen when a banned user is very disruptive on their own talk page, Most likely the talk page you came across is semi-protected, meaning that only account holder that are more then a few days old (admin or not) can edit it, this is done as a result of excessive vandalism on their talk page, you will see such request from time to time @ WP:RPP. ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 17:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

More detailed answer: I see what you are getting at, why not just ban the one disruptive editor rather then protect the page. well in the case of a single/very few disruptive editor(s) of another editor's User talk page a temp or long term block is what occurs, in other cases many good faith editors may find their talk pages attacked repeatedly by many different disruptive editors, an example of this is someone who is often on vandalism patrol that may find their user page/talk page excessively vandalize and need page protection for a period of time.▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 17:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Search

how do you search for a specific topic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.248.35.90 (talk) 12:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• You type the topic name in the search box on the top left of your screen under the menu. - 131.211.161.123 13:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Indicating coordinates

Hi!
I am no specialist for sure and have a lot of problems to understand how some things work when editing…
Just one, to begin with: How can we add coordinates to an article? I looked hard, but could not find the corresponding codes or template. These are two examples: The Milton Keynes Central railway station has its coordinates indicated in the upper right corner, but neither Bedford Midland nor the Bedford St Johns stations, where this could be useful when not knowing the place.
Thanks forward for your help. — Lemon Blue 13:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

In the Milton Keynes article the coordinates are provided by the template listed in the external links area which looks like this: {{Geolinks-UK-buildingscale|52.0347|-0.773}}. To explore such templates, see Category:Geolinks templates. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

"search engine".

Ineed A definition of the term "search engine". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.245.217 (talk) 13:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Just to the left of the screen is a search field. If you had typed "search engine" into that you would have found Search engine, our encyclopedia article on that topic. We also have a sister site which is a dictionary, called Wiktionary. They have a definition of search engine: see here--Fuhghettaboutit 13:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

A shared table?

I dont know the terminology, but there is a table that is at the bottom of many entries in a subject, I cannot seem to edit it. It doesnt seem to be part of the entries but must be linked from somewhere else, how do I find out about it? I wanted to correct an item on the table. It is the table that is at the bottom of the entry for Indexed Grammar.

Syroph 13:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

You might see the following at the bottom of the page: {{Formal languages and grammars}}. This is a transclusion of the template Template:Formal languages and grammars, which is what you would want to edit. x42bn6 Talk Mess 13:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

See more about templates at Help:Template. When you click "edit this page" at Indexed grammar, the bottom of the page displays transcluded templates and one of them is Template:Formal languages and grammars. As x42bn6 wrote, the bottom of the edit box contains {{Formal languages and grammars}} which shows where the template is used. PrimeHunter 15:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete

What speedy delete tags should I use for this page? The user who was using these pages has been merged into the correct spelling of the page found here.--Endless Dan 15:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Seems it was already deleted as an empty category (CSD C1). Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 15:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Done it now. You could use C1 or C2 as it was a typo. Specific guidelines can be found here. It has been deleted now, (by me). Woodym555 15:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all for your help :-) --Endless Dan 15:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

A small follow-up. When I look at Category:Latino/Hispanic Wikipedians and click the [+] subcategories button, why does our subcategory go on seemingly forever withthe same thing while the others are properly organized. Was there an error in our category coding?--Endless Dan 15:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed it now. It was the userbox. Anypage that it is on will be put into the Ecuadorian category, so it was self-categorising. As such it is like two mirrors being placed facing each other; they will keep reflecting off each other ad infinitum. So, I swapped the userbox with the code to fix the problem. Woodym555 15:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I saw, thank you very much! --Endless Dan 15:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it in another way that will change the userbox display if the source is edited: [3]. Only some templates have a parameter to allow this. PrimeHunter 15:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Help Desk rules! --Endless Dan 15:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

See more about this method at User:Willscrlt/UBX/categories. PrimeHunter 15:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep, that method seems more effective than mine! :) I don't use UBX that much! Thanks PrimeHunter. Woodym555 15:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I have a kua-shtee-ahn.

I want to know exactly how do you add an article, or subject. And is this like Urban Dictionary? (: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.185.67.19 (talk) 16:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how Urban Dictionary works. I assume kua-shtee-ahn means question.

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 16:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

And while there are some similarities between Wikipedia and Urban Dictionary, such as the fact that all content is user-generated, there are significant differences, particularly (a) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and UD is a dictionary, and (b) Wikipedia articles must be backed by reliable sources or they face deletion, whereas on UD anyone can make anything up and the worst that can happen is people give it a few thumbs down. Neologisms and protologisms abound on UD, but on Wikipedia you'll find that most articles on neologisms get nominated for deletion very quickly. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The Salvation Army - Roblin Lake Camp

÷67.71.199.202 16:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)Roblin Lake Camp is now closed. How do we remove it from this website, or at least list that it is now closed?

please contact me at (phone number removed)

Thanks

Joann Harry

I found a source [4] and added the information to Roblin Lake Camp in [5]. PrimeHunter 17:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

How do I input info on my band?

How do I input info on my band? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncensoredaggression (talk • contribs) 16:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know your band but note that most bands do not satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (music) and should not have an article (which will likely be deleted if it's created anyway).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 17:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this still to be considered original research?

Hi I have a query regarding original research and referencing. There is a particular wikipedia article that contains information about an certain event that has been sourced from reputable third party publications yet is in fact incorrect. The event in question relates to activities undertaken by myself in collaboration with two other individuals in the year 2000. The article does not mention me by name, or the other two individuals, and we do not wish it to, however the incident in question was rather an obscure one that might be considered to be merely a footnote to a much larger event which is the subject of the article and given the obscurity of the event all reports in the media at the time were inaccurate in how they described the specifics of the case. i have searched in vain for an accurate report in the media but have been unable to find a single one, so as a last resort i have requested documents from the Australian Federal Police under the Freedom of Information Act which contain all pertinent details and which give an accurate rendering of the event. How do i reference this source material, given that it has not been published in the public domain? I have the feeling that this might be considered original research, yet these documents come from an unimpeachable source and contain the actual facts whereas the wikipedia article does not, and it seems ridiculous that false information should be considered true simply because it comes from a published source. Is there any way in which these documents may be uploaded to this site to support any changes i might make to the article in question? I would like to add also that my desire to change the information has nothing to do with personal bias on my part, it merely my desire to see an event with which i am more than well acquainted being described accurately. Thank you in advance for your response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by C4A6 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The documents would have to see publication in a reliable source, such as a local newspaper or reputable news website. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

You may also want to ask @ the Reliable sources Noticeboard▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 18:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Disputed Information

How is disputed information indicated in the text? Is it some type of symbol?

198.67.7.2 18:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by "disputed"? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

You could use {{POV-statement}} for disputes over neutrality or maybe even some larger ones which you can use for the general page or just sections. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Disputed Information Clarification

If someone disagree's with the information you write, what does thier response look like on the Wiki Page? Is it a symbol, red text, bracketed etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.67.7.2 (talk) 18:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking about disagreeing with what is written in a article or on the talk page with another editor?, if it is the written content of an article you may see the template {{Disputed}} that say "The factual accuracy of this article is disputed. Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page." in of order for the editor disputing the information to make their case in a civil way. if it's an editor see: Dispute resolution, In cases policy concerns there are other step that you can take, such in case of Bio violations which you can read here WP:BLP ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 19:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Dispute templates. PrimeHunter 19:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Girl Guides of Canada

I would like to make changes to entries for Girl Guides of Canada. some of the material that is posted is outdated and we would like to remove the links to Scouting.

I made up-to-date changes, but they were changed back.

How do I go about supplying up-to-date and correct info about our organisation?

Lori Blinn Marketing Co-ordinator Marketing & Strategic Alliances Girl Guides of Canada ~ Guides du Canada —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lblinn (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure why your edit was reverted; you should talk to the person who reverted you (look in the page history by clicking on the "history" tab at the top of the page) on their talk page or, better yet, the article's talk page. Hopefully the two of you can figure out why you disagree and come to a compromise. Let me know on my talk page if you need any help. Peace, delldot talk 20:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC) (I removed your contact info so you don't get loads of spam)

Provide references. Guiding is part of Scouting. Also since you're representing GGOC, see WP:COI. Also note your contact info and the edit in the article where you said you changed it on behalf of GGOC prove you're representing an org and you said "we" not "I". — Rlevse • Talk • —Preceding comment was added at 20:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear Lblinn, regarding the edits you have proceeded to make to Girl Guides of Canada, I have removed them, because you copied word-for-word from http://www.girlguides.ca/ and its subpages, http://www.girlguides.ca/default1.asp?id=1214, http://www.girlguides.ca/default1.asp?id=1215, etc. Wikipedia has a very strict copyright policy, and for legal reasons, information can not be copied and pasted into articles. Other pages can be used as a source for information, but not as a source for sentences, paragraphs, or sections. The information must be summarized and paraphrased, and then properly cited with reliable sources for verification. These are some of the core pilars of Wikipedia, and I request that you review them all, as they are the foundation of the project. Additionally, please take note of the above mentioned conflict of interest guideline. I have given you additional information on your talk page. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 20:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

WGXL FM Ownership Switch

76.118.247.91 20:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• I believe Clear Channel Radio has divested WGXL FM in Lebanon, New Hampshire. Therefore, appropriate changes will need to be made to the article. I'm not very crafty at Wikipedia article writing; therefore, my ability to appropriately cite a source that proves this latest update might be shaky. So, please, any of you pro Wiki editors out there...I am just making you aware of this change. This is an unsigned comment.

how to create a new page

i wanted to post an article on wikipedia, so i joined wikipedia but i am unable to find a link on how to create a new page or new article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daveishear (talk • contribs) 21:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Question

Dear Wiki,

I uploaded a file and a summary but I can't find it, where do I go to locate it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DXT311 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Your contributions should be a starting point, but it seems you don't have any. I have checked your deleted contributions and they are empty as well. Did you use a different account. What exactly was the file? Woodym555 (talk) 21:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Wild guess: Could it be Image:Monique.JPG uploaded from another account? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Dates of articles

How do you find the date of an article posted on Wikipedia? I asked FAQ and nothing related to it came up. 72.228.11.138 (talk) 22:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The history tab (at the top of the screen) will give you a list of dates and times of the edits to the article. The first edit (when the page was added) can be found by clicking the "earliest 50" link. Great question! Cheers, --TeaDrinker (talk) 22:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

(ec)If you want to cite Wikipedia, go to Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia or Special:Cite. Otherwise, you can click on "history" of the article then click "Earliest" at the top of the history page and scroll to the bottom. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Or, to save a click, just look at the bottom of the page, where it says: "This page was last modified....." --barneca (talk) 22:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• Since articles are constantly edited, you want to use the "Cite this article" link on the left of the screen. Perhaps in combination with a permanent link so whoever follows the link you give will read the same article. It would be incorrect to attribute the entire article to one author or time/date. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Cold Chills page

Hello, I'm trying to write a page on Cold Chills. would anyone know where I could find some info or sources. Thanks--DatDoo (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Try the reference desk or do a Google search for it. That should give you a good starting point. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 23:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Agree try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science I heard many thing called Chills before Rigor (medicine) known as The Chills., Goose bumps, night sweats, you may want to ask them if there a specific medical term for Cold Chills or if it is something that describes a whole host of different conditions, cheers. ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 01:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

On Wikipedia we use a strange convention for letter case in titles, so the article should actually be Cold chills. See: WP:TITLE#Lowercase second and subsequent words in titles. Also see:

• Symptoms
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine
• {{Symptoms and signs}}

--Teratornis (talk) 07:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Signature

Hey, I'd like to change the font on my signature...I'm thinking Baskerville Old Face. Is that even accepted? If not, what are the fonts that are accepted? Benjamin 23:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

You can declare any font. Remember that Wikipedia has Windows, Mac OS, Linux, and other OS users, so your signature will appear as the browser's default font if the font you use is not installed. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)