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October 28

The Article "Gabdulkhi Akhatov"

In this article "Gabdulkhi Akhatov" the first name of the scientist is "Gabdulkhi" and the surname of the scientist is "Akhatov", but in all categories is written on the contrary! Please help fix the problem. Thanks.--DProfi (talk) 00:45, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Above the categories in the article, something such as {{DEFAULTSORT:Surname, Given names}} (replaced by the actual names, and without the "nowiki") can be added above the categories. Peter E. James (talk) 00:48, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Lack of subpaging in WP namespace

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark/Mabalacat railway station is a subpage of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Why is it not a subpage of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark? Nyttend (talk) 00:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

A guess on my part, but perhaps for it to be a subpage of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark may need to exist? Monty₈₄₅ 00:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, not considered that. Does A/B/C always result in C being subpage of A if B is nonexistent? WP:BEANS — if this were April Fools' Day, I'd nominate Clark for deletion :-) Nyttend (talk) 01:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

For example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2011 October 28 is a subpage of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log, and its the same name space as your deletion discussion. I'm hard pressed to think of any other examples where there is a subpage of a page that doesn't exist to look into it further. Monty₈₄₅ 01:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that Wikipedia has a directory tree like Windows or Unix. So Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark/Mabalacat railway station is the full name of the page: it is not a file (directly or indirectly) in a Wikipedia:Articles for deletion directory. It is called a “subpage” of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion only by a naming convention. —teb728 t c 08:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

It's more than just a naming convention - subpages are disabled for the main (article) namespace, but enabled elsewhere. You can see this when you go to the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2011 October 28 page - on the top left you'll see links taking you to the pages it's a subpage of - the AfD page and the Log page. If you try the same thing in the main namespace, say at Clark/Mabalacat railway station, you won't get those links because the subpage feature is disabled there. For more information on the subpage feature, you can see m:Help:Link#Subpage feature. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 09:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite aware of the way that subpages typically work, as well as the ways that we used to use them in UseModWiki. The whole issue is that the original discussion page is a subpage of something that's two levels up, rather than the one immediately above it. Nyttend (talk) 11:45, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

My reply was more for teb728 than for you, Nyttend. I'm just as baffled as you are about why it skips "Clark." --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 12:10, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The list of links to parent pages at top of a subpage automatically omits red links. See mw:Help:Subpages#How it works. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark/Mabalacat railway station is still considered a subpage of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clark, but being a subpage has limited practical significance when the parent does not exist. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Creating and publishing a new article

I created my first article and thought I properly saved to so it could be published. However, it has not gone live and it has been a few days. I cannot locate any info regarding the aforementioned. Please advise. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rideittowin (talk • contribs) 07:06, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The draft is at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Ameya Pawar. It is not yet ready for mainspace due to a few problems. The main issues are: The tone of the article is far too promotional - see WP:NPOV It doesn't have references and it has inline external links. These need to be fixed before it goes "live". Roger (talk) 07:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Lists

I'd like to know more about how lists work in wikipedia: I'vetried searching help but to no avail. I'm mucking about in the early history of powered aircraft, and a lot of the machines don't show up in the appropriate list. Even tho the article in question has what appears to be the appropriate category tag, which I thought would make the type show up in the list.TheLongTone (talk) 09:06, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

There is a big difference between a list and a category. If an article includes a tag for the relevant category, the article should appear in that category; a list is a separate article, into which items are inserted manually. Which article, list, and category did you have in mind? - David Biddulph (talk) 09:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

For instnce Bristol Aircraft & Avro Aircraft. But I think you've cleared up my misunderstanding, thanksTheLongTone (talk) 10:34, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Uploading a photo / image

I would appreciate if someone could help me with the matter below.

I am currently creating a wikipedia profile for someone and i am having difficulty uploading a photograph.

I have followed the steps listed on Wikipedia to upload a file - Clicking on Upload File - Selecting the subject image file through Browse - Selecting the correct licence

I originally managed to upload the subject photograph however it created a new account, not on the profile where i had listed all of the text. As a consequence, i deleted the account where the photograph went to.

The problem i now have is everytime i try and upload the photograph it is blocked as a result of the file name clashing with the deleted profile.

I have tried to rename the image file but this fails to help.

Whilst this is baffling me, the main cause i believe of the problem is that the user account i am working on contains another name other than the person's name i am creating the profile for. As a result, when i try and upload the image file with just one name listed on it, the photograph will continue to create another account / profile i.e it does not match the profile user title. (NB: i have tried to rename the image file to match the user account name)

Is there a way around this e.g. renaming the current profile to just list the name on the image file or is it advisable that i create a whole new account - bearing in mind i run the risk of being blocked because a new profile would list the name of the person already listed on the original profile.

Thank you

Rscurlock-Jones (talk) 09:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

There is no connection between the account name, the subject name, and the image name; so the names cannot interfere with each other. Tell us the name of the image that you succeeded in uploading, and we should be able to tell you how to use it on your draft article. —teb728 t c 09:50, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)What do you mean by a "profile"? Do you mean a Wikipedia article? You seem to be getting confused between a user account name, an article name, and a file name for an image. Your account name is Rscurlock-Jones. It looks as if you are trying to create an article which will eventually be named Clive Beer, but which you currently have as a draft in your user space called User:Rscurlock-Jones/Clive Beer. Before it is published, the article would need some improvements, such a removing the promotional language, and including inline citations as references. If you want to upload an include an image, follow the process at WP:images. If you think you have already loaded a photo, tell us the filename and someone can look at the problem. You may be better off leaving the photo until after the article is published to mainspace. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

(another edit conflict)I'm not quite sure what you mean by "profile" - we don't have a feature with that name here. So you'll have to tell me if I'm right. I believe you're referring to your draft article User:Rscurlock-Jones/Clive Beer and the deleted image File:Clive Beer.jpg? Assuming I'm right, I've got a few thoughts and suggestions:

1. A file (in this case your photograph) will always appear on a separately named page than the article - this allows a photograph to potentially be used on more than one page - in this case, the photograph appeared at File:Clive Beer.jpg. To put the photograph in the article, you simply place [[File:Clive Beer.jpg]] on the page where you want the photo to show up. You can also specify size, whether it has a caption, etc.
2. You uploaded the file with a license that Wikipedia does not allow - a "permission for Wikipedia" license. (This is because our content may be re-used elsewhere, not just on Wikipedia.) User:RHaworth deleted the image.
3. As far as I can tell, you should be able to upload the image again using Special:Upload either to File:Clive Beer.jpg or to another name. If you are having trouble doing this, try checking the "Ignore all warnings" box on the upload page.
4. However, you should only do this if the image falls under our Image use policy - basically, it needs to be a free use image (think Public Domain, CC-BY-SA, and similar) or a fair use image. Since fair use images are virtually never allowed for living people, it would be better to upload an free use image, if one is available.

I hope this helps, if you're still having trouble, either reply here or let me know at my talk page. Happy editing! --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 10:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Rollback issue

I'm a relatively new user of rollback, but I've come across an issue which has cropped up more than once. Usually, if another user reverts an edit whilst rollback is being performed, an error message appears saying that the rollback was unsuccessful. However, on several occasions I have found that the rollback apparently works - but the edit history shows a change by another user (usually using Huggle, it seems). I don't care about who gets the revert, but without an error message I've inadvertently tagged the vandals with {{uw-vandal2}}or{{uw-vandal3}} templates which were undeserved, thinking that I had reverted them and was thus placing the appropriate tag from the hierarchy of warnings when in fact I was warning them for an edit for which they had already been warned.

Have any other rollbackers experienced this, and is there a fix (other than going back to the article and checking the edit history each time - on my laggy browser, that's a bit time-consuming)? Yunshui 雲水 13:55, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

User name and article name

Apologies for requesting assistance again.

If the username displayed on a draft wikipedia article is different to that of what will be the final article, is there a way to change the username before submitting the final draft to ensure the published article has the correct name?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rscurlock-Jones (talk • contribs) 14:45, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

When an article is moved into mainspace the username of the person who created the draft no longer forms part of the article's name. Roger (talk) 14:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Please take a look at WP:BIO - at the moment the subject of User:Rscurlock-Jones/Clive Beer doesn't appear to meet the notability guidelines and the draft reads like a promotional piece.--ukexpat (talk) 16:50, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Reads like an online CV. Astronaut (talk) 18:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Not-quite-original research awkwardness

See User_talk:Svenstein. What's happened is: a journalist has turned up and edited copiale cipher, a recently created article. It doesn't currently say anything which is OR: however, the journalist, Svenstein, has made some phone calls, and established that the article is wrong in a couple of minor points about the provenance of the manuscript - and now he's had an article published in blid.de which says so. Large numbers of English news sources on the web are parroting the old mistakes (which must have originated from some other journalist's extrapolations). My feeling is that I should cite the Bild source and correct the mistakes, but I feel a bit cautious since it's only one source, written (in German) by somebody who has edited the page. What to do? Update: now it does contain OR, since Svenstein has cited his own article.  Card Zero  (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

If he is citing an article in a reliable source, then it is not OR. I suggest that what you have here is a disagreement among sources, and it appropriate for the article to say so: it might reasonably note that there are more sources saying one thing, but that the source that disagrees is newer; but it should not draw any conclusion from this. --ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Page Heading Should be Aricent Group

Dear Sir/Madam,

Aricent recently changed its name to Aricent Group. The page URL and the main heading should say Aricent Group and not Aricent. Please see www.aricent.com .

Best, Shashi Shekhar Aricent Group — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabir27 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done Rcsprinter (state) 15:28, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Jones Convenience Stores

Hello. Another editor has expressed concern at material I added to the Jones Convenience Stores page. The full debate is now set out at Talk:Jones Convenience Stores. The other editor is personally involved in the company that is the subject of that page, and does not feel that the company's reported profits should be shown on the page. I would welcome the views of other editors on appropriate content for an article about a company in general, and whether this particular content should be removed from this page. Thank you. Peteinterpol (talk) 15:40, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Visit WP:RFC for assistance on getting other users to comment on the matter. CTJF83 19:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Tagging an image file as a copyvio.

Please explain how to do it. The image is on WP not Commons. Roger (talk) 15:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

If it is a potential copyvio, you can use {{puf}} on the file page and follow the instructions on the template to request investigation into the status of the image. If it is a clear case of copyvio, you can use {{subst:db-f9|url=source URL}} to request speedy deletion. For more, see Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 16:05, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Use WP:TWINKLE, as it's faster. Regards.--♫GoP♫_T^C_N 16:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

If it's a blatant copyvio you should tag it with {{db-filecopyvio|url=URL of source}}. Яehevkor ✉ 16:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh it sure is blatant - taken from the subject's official website. Thanks. Roger (talk) 16:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

It turns out that the uploader is an employee of the copyright owner and actually created the image for the company's website, so now it's just a matter of getting the proof of permission in order. Roger (talk) 18:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Legislative Court Document

I filed at the Judicial Commission office a Packet that was with out the Juvenile Legislative Paperwork and also filed the proof that the Packet was supposed to have the Juvenile Legislative Paperwork in it and they refused to procede in charging Johnson County Honorables and also the Substitute's are Illegally running as Boyschool and Girlscholl Honorables and also the Judicial Commission Bureau to — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.250.21.33 (talk) 18:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

We cannot offer legal advice. Please see the legal disclaimer. Contact a lawyer. CTJF83 19:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

We Cannot give legal advice (this includes the reference desk). RJFJR (talk) 19:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

what is wwe wrestler-the Big Shows address for fans?

I guess you really can not Google everything.I am a huge fan of WWE wrestler,the Big Show.I can not seem to find an address for fan mail.Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.10.148 (talk) 19:30, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Entertainment reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. CTJF83 19:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Sudan at the 2012 Olympics

Hello

Just that Rabah Yousif has attained the A standard for the 400m. His 45.13 in Lapinlathi in summer 2011 secured this.

Many Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.87.133 (talk) 19:30, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

This page is for answering questions about how to use Wikipedia. Your post is more suitated for Talk:Sudan at the 2012 Summer Olympics CTJF83 19:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Editnotices

WP:AFT appears to have an edit notice - see here - but I can't find where on earth the underlying code is. In addition, it means I can't post my editnotice. Any ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okeyes (WMF)‏‎ (talk • contribs)

Hello, Wikipedia talk:Article Feedback Tool/Editnotice is the link to the editnotice page. Hope this helps. -- Luke (Talk) 22:04, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

That's the page the poster created but it isn't displayed. The displayed message is from Template:Wikipedia talk navigation via Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Wikipedia talk. To make a page notice, click "Page notice" on the link see here in your post. It goes to Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Article Feedback Tool. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

It appears the "Page notice" link is only displayed to administrators and although working for WMF, User:Okeyes (WMF)‏‎ may not see the link or be able to edit Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Article Feedback Tool. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Yup, I just tried from my non-admin alternate account and couldn't see either link or create Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Article Feedback Tool (I didn't try to edit Wikipedia talk:Article Feedback Tool/Editnotice, but it didn't show up as protected, either). Do you know which permission handles this? I didn't see it in Wikipedia:User access levels#Table or at Special:ListGroupRights. I can understand hiding the redlinked editnotices from non-admins, but hiding extant ones seems like a bad idea (confusion-generating, as in this case). (thanks primehunter) --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 01:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

The only edit notice a non-admin can edit is the edit notice for his own talk page. For all other pages it's an admin-only capability.—Kww(talk) 01:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Apparently it's admins' and accountcreators' "tboverride" permission that controls the creation of them and (presumably) the visibility of them, since they can see the links too. I still don't know why they aren't visible to everyone, though (if only so people know where to put the {{editprotected}} notice. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 01:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Editnotice. If I log in as admin then, whether the links are red or blue, I see a "Page notice" link on all pages and a "Group notice" link on all pages in namespaces with subpages. But I don't see a namespace notice link such as to Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Wikipedia talk from the edit page of Wikipedia talk:Article Feedback Tool.

If I log out then I see a "Page notice" if the page exists, for example at Wikipedia talk:Administrators with a link to Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Administrators. As an admin I additionally see a blue "Group notice" link to Template:Editnotices/Group/Wikipedia talk:Administrators. A group notice is only displayed if there is no page notice. If there is a group notice but no page notice then I see a "Group notice" link when I'm logged out, for example at Wikipedia talk:Questions with a link to Template:Editnotices/Group/Wikipedia talk:Questions. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I was misinterpreting what I saw when logged out, then, thanks. I haven't checked, but based on earlier observations, I'm going to assume everything you said for admins here also applies to accountcreators as well. Good to know! --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 02:53, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

proposed that this article be deleted

I have been adding content, to try to conform to your standards, but each time I add anything it is, within minutes, deleted. Who is deleting it and why? I can't be considered verifiable if it isn't there. The page is "The Absolute Void". It says I have until Nov 4th to accomplish the task of providing content, and that is far more time than a few minutes.

I am a novice at this but if I have until Nov. 4, then please let me have the time to accomplish this.

Thanks for any help.

Dave Murray — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.37.109.174 (talk) 23:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

You can see the reasons for each individual edit in the article history which can be accessed by clicking on the "View history" link at the top. The article you wrote, The Absolute Void, was a copyright violation of the official site for the book. You can't just copy and paste text. You have to put things in your own words. The article is now being proposed for deletion because it doesn't clearly state why the book is notable according to our guidelines. Dismas|^(talk) 23:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I also notice that your name is the same as the author's name. In that case, you may want to have a look at the conflict of interest policy. Dismas|^(talk) 23:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Once the copyright violations and shameless advertisements are removed (as they will continue to be), it is clear that this is a self-advertisement for a self-published, non-notable book by a non-notable writer (and, judging by the excerpts, abominably written as well). Please see WP:BOOK, WP:COI and WP:SPAM (as well as The Elements of Style) for information on the standards you are continually failing to meet. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)