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August 5

Regarding FLC and FAC

Are you allowed to have an FLC and an FAC open at the same time; in which you are the sole nominator of both? Thanks, TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how a page can be both an article and a list at the same time. I might be inclined to change when shown an example. I don't see any problem with it. FloBo A boat that can float! 07:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

That's not what I meant. Let's say I developed List of ... to FL quality, and I also developed Article to FA quality. Can I nominate them both in their respective categories? TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I started correcting myself before you replied. See above. FloBo A boat that can float! 07:16, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the response! TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

data flow diagram

how i can make data flow diagram for an online help desk of a campus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.31.32 (talk) 07:24, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Cresix (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Caravanim

Hi, this page was originally called Caravan (Israel). A user blanked and repasted the page to Caravanim, deleting the entire page history. Who do I contact to right the situation? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I reverted the blanking of Caravan (Israel) and tagged Caravanim for speedy deletion as an incorrectly done copy-paste move. Roger (talk) 08:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I contacted the user who blanked the page, suggesting that he ask for consensus on the move before moving anything again. Yoninah (talk) 08:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Such a move is in any case against the rules "caravanim" is simply the plural of "caravan" thus not allowed. So please don't suggest that such a move would ever be allowed. Roger (talk) 08:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Yoninah (talk) 10:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Caravan (Israel) has been restored and Caravanim is a now redirect.

Resolved

Roger (talk) 13:54, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

HOW DO I GET A PAGE ABOUT ME ON WIKIPEDIA?

CAN YOU TELL ME PLEASE,I AM POET ARTIST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.42.238 (talk) 09:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

First don't SHOUT. Second, check WP:GNG whether you meet the criteria. Third, it is better if someone another writes a biography for you, see WP:COI. A good introduction page is WP:WIZARD. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 09:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Requested articles - you can ask for someone to write an article on you. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Can redirects be ProDed?

Such as a newly created WP:XNR...(main->Wikipedia, a exemption of CSD R2, but I still think it sucks) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.203.139.100 (talk) 09:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Your example redirect was created in 2007, and it does not make sense to PROD categories. If it fails one of the listed points at WP:CSD, then put the appropiate banner at the top of the page. I don't understand why you want to remove it, and the text in brackets does not make sense. I feel it does not do any harm and is very useful to avoid typing so much. Please be more specific. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:55, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

You misunderstood me. The redirect I mean is Criticism of Wikipedia which is a Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect(WP:XNR), not the WP:XNR redirect itself. I think it's a bad idea to redirect Criticism of Wikipedia to Wikipedia:Criticisms but IPs are even not allowed to nominate a RFD.221.203.139.100 (talk) 11:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Why don't you post it on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion? Since this is likely to be semi-controversial, a proper debate is better than PRODding. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

"Prod" refers to Wikipedia:Proposed deletion which says: "Proposed deletion is only applicable to mainspace articles, lists, and disambiguation pages; it cannot be used with redirects". Criticism of Wikipedia has now been nominated with another deletion procedure called RfD but what makes you think IPs are not allowed to nominate at RfD? I see IP nominations at WP:RFD and haven't seen it claimed anywhere that it's disallowed. If your problem is that you don't know how to edit a redirect to place the deletion tag then see Wikipedia:Redirect#How to edit a redirect or make it into an article. Perhaps WP:RFD#HOWTO should explain it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

How to clarify this?

In case it is unreasonable to explain something that is unclear without an explanation and where starting a separate article would not be appropriate, should that simply be left in the article as is even if it is not understandable from the context of the article and can only be understood when looking at the original source? I am talking about H_p at Wieferich prime#Alternative definition. I don't think creating an article about this set would be appropriate, but explaining it in detail in the section also seems inappropriate to me. Can I get some advice on how to proceed? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 10:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree that creating an article about this set would be not appropriate. This suggests to me that the "alternative definition" should be omitted, as without a specification of the set, it is not a definition. Maproom (talk) 11:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I could include the complete definition of the set given at p.332 of the paper in the section of the Wieferich prime article. But I don't really know whether there is a guideline against this or not. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Btw. I can move this discussion to the talk of WikiProject Mathematics if that would be considered a better place for this discussion. However the question is kind of a general question about editing Wikipedia, since something similar could also occur in nearly any other subject area I guess, so I came here in the first place. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Starmania (TV series)

Hello all. I've added a deletion tag to this article. Can you please delete it? The Starmania does not exist in the Austrian TV channels anymore. There is a new show called Helden von Morgen. 91.119.140.182 (talk) 11:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

A user called Puffin (talk · contribs) deleted the tag. You might want to discuss it with him. Never mind; IP was blocked. FloBo A boat that can float! 12:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I would like to recreate an article

Hello,

my article was just deleted as being an advertising material - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Donecollective. Indeed, I created an article presenting our company, however I did not include any link to our website only to other articles on wikipedia. I would like to propose a revised article with no links at all. You can add links yourself where you think it is appropriate.

Below, I'm posting the revised article. Please advise if it is OK for inclusion or I have to change it again:

The (clearly promotional) article
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
DoneCollective LLC is an innovative web design company based in Alexandria, Virginia. It was created in 2010 by Ivan Yordanov and Ivaylo Bobchev. Unlike many other companies, DoneCollective LLC is accredited by the Better Business Bureau. Technology DoneCollective LLC uses the latest industry technologies like HTML 5, CSS 3, jQuery 1.7 to guarantee reliability and cross browser compatibility of the created websites. Services The company provides services in the following areas: web design print design corporate identity search engine optimization copywriting Software DoneCollective provides in-house build content management system - Done CMS. Every clients of the company can use Done CMS for free. Clients The company provide services to personals, small businesses and corporations from all over the world. DoneCollective LLC has worked for SubcommPools, Vitaslim, Ebonit Light, Sarafovo Sea Club and etc.

Thanks!

DoneCollective

Donecollective (talk) 12:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

If the previous article had the exact same wording as this, it would definitely have been deleted as it is a promotional article with no sources. It might not even be notable according to our standards. FloBo A boat that can float! 12:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I've also left you a note on your user talk page about your username. FloBo A boat that can float! 12:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

BIO on CLAUDE RAINS

I noticed on "CAST MEMBERS" that some names were in black type and could not be clicked on. Why is this? d

PS Should my e-mail be shown on the page please ignore it. It has been on this old p/c for over a year. Myself & Windows 98 cannot remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.127.8 (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello. The reason you can't click on some of the names is that they either don't have Wikipedia pages about them, or they haven't been linked to their page yet. If you find that some of those people do in fact have pages on Wikipedia, you can link their name to it by putting their name between brackets like so: [[name of person here]]. Topher385 (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Help with finding a journal article

I'm having some difficulty finding a journal article I'd like to cite in a future article. This page at the Global Nonviolent Action Database cites: Balaguer, L. “Fighting for Freedom.” International Affairs. No.8, Vol.8, 1962, page(s): 76-78. 27 Nov 2009. I have access to International Affairs on JSTOR through my university, but under 1962 it only lists Nos. 1, 2, 3 and 4 of Volume 38. The earliest available volume is 20, which is dated 1944. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It might be that your university's subscription to that journal only grants it access to those particular issues, which I have personally experienced at my own university in the past. You might check with your university library, and they might be able to petition another library to get the particular article you want. Topher385 (talk) 21:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I tried nearly any search method I am aware of and found nothing on the web except at the link you provided. The articles listed at [1] under International Affairs are all untitled, perhaps one of those is the the article you are looking for. I suggest you try one of the contact options at Contact JSTOR and ask them about the article. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 22:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

There is a Russian monthly magazine/journal that is also called International Affairs: [2]. Since they first published in 1954, it's plausible that their volume 8 would date to 1962; I suspect that that may be the source you're looking for. Note that the journal was founded by (and retains links to) the Soviet (now Russian) foreign ministry; a certain editorial slant may be expected. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Found it! It is indeed the Russian publication, and the article costs $17.95 from East View Information Services, but from the preview it reads like propaganda ("In the course of these heroic actions in whose organisation the Communist Party played a decisive role the Spanish working class won a brilliant victory"), so it's no great loss. Thanks everyone! – Arms & Hearts (talk)

Someone at resource exchange might be able to get the full article. The preview might not be representative of the whole thing. RudolfRed (talk) 23:50, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It seems to be exclusively on a one-off purchase basis – you make an account for free and then shell out per article. I guess it's possible someone might be able to access a paper copy or it might be on other databases, but for the time being I think I'm going to shelve the project. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 00:27, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Problems with Bulla Kutta Page

I am noticing there is a problem with the page Bulla Kutta.. One individual keeps deleting the infobox and putting up multiple photos of their own dog. I personally don't think that a wikipedia page needs to have multiple images of the same dog. I have put the infobox back on the page like 4/5 times now and everyday i come back on and this individual has deleted it again.. There is 3 editors involved on this page, i am simply putting the info box back and removing multiple images, but the other 2 individuals are just deleting each others edits. I am not sure how to handle this i have posted on the disscussion page about removing the info box and posting multiple images of the same dog but nobody seems to care.. Not sure if i am even posting this in the right spot or not. But maybe a more advanced editor could address this issue as i am not sure how. Thank your for you time. --Ltshears (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you GreatOrangePumpkin for helping with the Bully Kutta Page.. --Ltshears (talk) 01:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Narula Institute of Technology

I am a student of the above college. The article says that the placement record in the college is excellent and also boasts about other false things. The fact is that the placement and infrastructure of the college is poor. There is a certain user ( not taking names) who seems to remove any edits that are not good about the college. Is there any mechanism by which i can show the ground reality. Many students are fooled into the wrong facts stated by this user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvindkejriwal (talk • contribs) 18:24, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean Theopolisme, who made this edit, or do you mean someone else? Nyttend (talk) 04:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Why does {{ESp|m}} expand to the wrong message?

I'm not good with templates, so I need some help with {{ESp|m}} not expanding correctly. According to the docs, this is supposed to produce the same "move" message as {{EP|m}}, but instead it is expanding to a "this page is not protected" message. Can someone take a look and figure out what's wrong? (also, I tried linking the above with {{ESp}} but it swallows the |m part.

{{EP|m}} becomes this: Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves.

{{ESp|m}} becomes this, but it should be the same as above. Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves.

RudolfRed (talk) 20:11, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I see the problem, but Template:ESp is protected. I'll add a request for edit there with the exact changes. BigNate37_(T) 04:02, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

ω Awaiting protected edit at Template talk:EP#ESp switch case fix. BigNate37_(T) 04:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

Thank you. RudolfRed (talk) 05:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Fuhghettaboutit took care of it. BigNate37_(T) 06:13, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Building a new article.

Hi there, I'm new around here and wish to create a brand new article about my science fiction novel series. I'm not technically minded and haven't a clue how to create a wiki page, so I'm asking if there is anyone around willing to do it for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeritaKing (talk • contribs) 22:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

If you want to tackle it yourself, WP:YFA will help you. Otherwise you can post a request at WP:RA RudolfRed (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Though before you go there, you will probably want to review our guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals. If your writing is self-published and has not drawn a substantial amount of third-party comment and attention, it is likely that your works will not be a suitable topic for a Wikipedia article at this time. It is very difficult to write an encyclopedia-appropriate article without access to a body of independent, reliable sources to provide context and evaluation of a given author's work. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Oops, I missed that it would be about the OP's own work. In that case, WP:COI also needs to be read and followed. RudolfRed (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You could also ask here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction. The people there are likely to be knowledgeable. If you do want to request an article, either there or at Requested articles, it will help if you can provide links to reviews or other relevant sources, either in print or on respected independent websites. If your publication isn't reviewed anywhere, it probably isn't suitable for coverage in Wikipedia. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)