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December 30

Unfair characterization of awards on Mari Gorman page (my page)

Mari Gorman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Some time ago I tried to make this change, but I found it too confusing and I didn't want to screw things up on your website. I also went to a page where there were many people making comments but that was very confusing too. Hopefully writing the problem here will help. Here it is: on the Mari Gorman page, where it lists my awards, it says next to them in parentheses how many other recipients there were For each award - for example, next to the first Obie Award citation it says "(one of eight recipients)" This is the case with the two other Obie Awards, the Drama Desk Award and the Theatre World Awards that are listed. I have looked on other pages of actors who have won the same awards as I have and it doesn't include this information and in fact it is not even included with actors who have only received nominations for awards. Therefore the way Wikipedia has listed my awards seems unfair and also seems to diminish their value. I would be most grateful if someone there could help with this and edit the information so it just states that I won the various awards without the info in parentheses about other recipients. Thank you for your consideration and, hopefully, help with this. Happy New Year. Best, Mari Gorman 108.14.180.100 (talk) 01:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

SuggestBot

Hey friends, I'm Curtaintoad again. I want the "Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot" meesages please, but how do I get those messages? Thanks, CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 02:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

(Help desk talkback please CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 02:34, 30 December 2012 (UTC))

Please see User:SuggestBot/Getting Recommendations Regularly and follow the instructions listed there. Or simply, place the SuggestBot/config template on your talk page, along with your personal settings for it. If you would like, you can also place the userbox on your user page. Happy Holidays, TBrandley ^{(what's up)} 02:40, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Removal of user warning templates

Should I replace the template if the template I have just placed on a user's talk page is removed? --FrankDev (talk) 03:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Who is that user? If it was you it's your opinion. But if not you then it also that user's opinion too.But I need to know what is the template. It needs to be specific. So write the template.--Pratyya ^{(have a chat?)} 03:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

It seems to be: {{uw-delete1}} from: w:User talk:66.177.25.246: Difference between revisions(This doesn't work - oops) 74.60.29.141 (talk) 04:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

No, you shouldn't replace it (or other warning templates), per WP:BLANKING. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:53, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering: will 'Twinkle' know that the next time will be a level 2 warning, if the user deletes the 1st one from their talk page? ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 04:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

AFAIK, twinkle doesn't know even if it remains. There are some other RC programs that do know even after removal. Monty₈₄₅ 04:21, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Categorization problem

So I have been recently working on User:Yerevanci/Armenian American and I'm stuck on this problem. I have listed art, sports and politics-related notable Armenian Americans in their respective sections (Arts, Sports, Politics), but there is still a great number of other notables (e.g. businessmen, scientists, entertainers, celebrities) that should be mentioned in the article someway. Now I have a section named "Notable Armenian Americans" at the end, but that doesn't really make sense, because the rest are in other sections. Any ideas how to solve this problem? --Երևանցի ^talk 05:55, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

How about a main section for "Notable Armenian Americans" - with sub-sections for each of the categories mentioned. - And the 1st part would be for those who don't fit within a specific "category". ~Just a thought, ~E : 74.60.29.141 (talk) 06:31, 30 December 2012 (UTC):modified: ~ An example: Navajo_people#Notable Navajo

Yep, sounds good! The sections of Arts, Sports, Politics are completely made up of the notables lists anyway, so I'll just move them down to the Notables section.--Երևանցի ^talk 06:39, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

How to Change the article language

Hi, i'm new to Wikipedia, and writing an article about Chauvet Cave Chauvet Mağarası in Turkish. I need help with changing the articles language setting from English to Turkish. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merhabadunyali (talk • contribs) 06:37, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your attempt to contribute, but this is English Wikipedia; it is only for English language content. There is a separate Turkish Wikipedia; they would welcome Turkish content there. —teb728 t c 07:58, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I have changed what you were quoting as a reference into a wikilink, as the absence of a {{reflist}} was causing an error on this page. Note that the article Chauvet Mağarası was deleted as it related to a subject already covered at Chauvet Cave, as was notified on your talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Four questions

1) If I see a small mistake on a page or see I can add a few details for it, can I just do it?

2) What does the 'Watch this page' checkbox do?

3) If I want to add/change something major in a post what should I do?

4) How exactly do I sign my name in the talk section? The page on how to do it was not helpful at all.

Thanks for the help, - Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheese512 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

[added header] To answer #4: Simply add 4 "tildas": ~~~~ -or- insert them by pressing where it says Sign your posts on talk pages: ~~~~ (below) ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

1: "Just do it" - see: WP:Be bold and WP:DIY - For anything more than minor stuff (grammar, etc.) please cite a reliable source.

2: (I'll let somebody else answer this - as an IP, I'm not sure)

3: "...in a post" - Do you mean on a talk page? In an article, just be sure to cite reliable and verifiable source(s) - and it is a good idea to discuss what you're doing on the talk page, and if necessary, get some sort of concensus. There are good suggestions and guidelines in the 'Welcome' information for new editors - if you don't already have that, I'll put it on your user talk page. ~E : 74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:21, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

4: (See above)

They're tildes by the way, No "a".--108.46.98.236 (talk) 07:25, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

For no. 2, that checkbox puts the page and its corresponding talk page on your Watchlist, which allows you to monitor edits made to a particular page. Every time someone makes an edit to a page that you have "watchlisted", it will appear in bold with the time and user of the last edit. You can also add a page to your watchlist by click the "star" button near the top-right (just left of the search field) of any page. For more info, see this page. The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 07:45, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the help guys. One last thing, what's up with the : or multiple :: before your messages in this chat? Do I need to manually insert them in mine? Thanks. 174.99.34.204 (talk) 15:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, at present, they need to be manually inserted.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:31, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

The purposes of the : is to specifically indent the content, so that it stands apart from other editors messages. They are inserted manually. Also regarding major edits (#3), it depends on if you believe the major edit will be controversial or make major changes to the direction of an article. If it is subject to objection from other editors, then you should talk about it first on the article talk page, simply bring up what you are proposing to do. However there are other major edits such as copy editing where you might go through and make a lot of minor changes to cleanup the text, in a way that is not controversial, then that would be something you can just do. Just be sure to explain what you're doing in the Edit Summary so that when people see the major change, they know what or why you did what you did. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:32, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Browsing activity

Who has access to (i.e. permitted to view) the browsing activity of an editor, which is different to that editor's contributions? And so, to what degree can an editor expect privacy concerning their browsing history in wikipedia? Benyoch ^{...Don't panic! Don't panic!...} (talk) 06:50, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

As far as I know, there is no way for anyone to tell which pages you have browsed/read/visited. The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 07:48, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

This is not visible in any way through the MediaWiki interface. I do not believe it is stored on the servers in any usable fashion - only very limited and fairly anonymous pageview data is stored - but any data there will only be accessible to developers with a lot of time and effort. To a first approximation, no other Wikipedia user can see what pages you have been reading. Reader privacy is taken very seriously, and I am not aware of any cases where this information has been disclosed by us.

The one caveat is that any link you follow which automatically causes a logged action will potentially be recorded. There's only one case I can think of where this would happen - if you are logged in and visit another language edition of Wikipedia, then a new account will be created on that project through SUL and so someone will be able to tell that, say, you viewed the Bengali Wikipedia on 26 December. However, this will only happen once (after that, you have an account), and won't disclose what page you went to - only that you logged into the site for the first time. Andrew Gray (talk) 22:40, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

It really depends on the reason your asking. Of course while it isn't specific to wikipedia, your own computer can store this information, as well as anybody on your side of the network (your internet provider, company network administrators, etc) just like they can with any website. Also, wikimedia foundation retains logs, just like any other website out there which can link specific IP address information to specific web page lookups, and wikimedia does have the ability to correlate your IP to your username. However, all of this is protected by a strict Privacy Policy. But with that technical information aside, no generic individual, user or volunteer administrator can establish what pages you have simply been reading or looking at. However there are individuals, both employees of wikimedia and volunteers who have specific permissions which could expose that information, but again, it is strictly enforced by the Privacy Policy. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Error - given link

Dear all Please could you check this information Russian National Wealth Fund.

In one place it says

Russian National Wealth Fund Type Sovereign Wealth Fund Founded 2008 Total assets $90,94 billion[1]

In other place it says The Reserve Fund was given $137,09 billion and the National Welfare Fund was given $87,97 billion. The fund is controlled by the Ministry of Finance.

Conclusion is the numbers don't match

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.244.174.38 (talk) 06:55, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

The amount in the infobox is updated monthly. The other 2 figures are worded like 'start-up' funds. It probably lost like many did in the '08 crunch.--Canoe1967 (talk) 07:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Chronic Pain and Opiate use

Personal chronicle of accident and pain

I am disabled and in chronic pain from a Hit and Run car accident, while sitting on a motorcycle at a Red light. The car was traveling an estimated 50 MPH and crushed my lower leg against the engine of a 750 Lb Motorcycle. I was admitted to hospital 2-3 hours after the incident; with a compound, commuted, segmented fracture of the Tibia and Fibula with 14 breaks and Osteomylitis due to Staph Aureous infection. I was in a cast for 2 yrs and 7 months during which time a Lottes nail in my Tibia migrated through the bottom of my Tibia through my ankle joint, and into the foot bone complex. This accident happened in 1975, and a few operations were performed. My leg was not only broken, but the flesh, muscles, and nerves were crushed and severed. I have been in Chronic Pain for 38 years, walking on a broken leg everyday of my life. I was a Paratrooper in the U.S. Army and used to Physical pain associated with extreme physical exercise on a daily basis. I am writing to advise your "experts" on the experience of Chronic Pain and the use of Opiates for pain management. The current Social Psychology of Doctors, Physicians, medical students, and Interns is a paranoia about opiate use and a complete indifference for patients suffering from Chronic and Severe Pain. They have the twisted mental belief that to force a patient to suffer from pain is more rational than their use of opiate pain medications. They have a complete disregard for the suffering and psychological effects of long term Chronic Pain, and a paranoid or delusional fear of Opiate pain medication use, as if a patient who takes opiates is somehow getting "high" or experiencing a mood elevation from it's use and this irrational belief is somehow offensive to most doctors! This is not factual. A person in Severe, Chronic Pain using Opiate pain medication experiences only the cessation of pain and does NOT experience a mood elevation or "high" from Opiates. Furthermore, the Chronic Pain sufferer does NOT abuse the medication that they so desperately need to function as a normal person. Addiction is NOT the same as tolerance. Are we addicted to food? Oxygen? Water? For a patient suffering from Chronic Pain Opiates are the ONLY remedy and used properly can alleviate chronic pain. The real hypocrisy is that these very same doctors will often prescribe more dangerous drugs of all kinds, for all types of disorders, especially in the Psychological field; yet, have no qualms about side effects, mood disorders, and other physical side effects from hundreds of medications currently in use. The issue of addiction, drug use, and abuse is a different medical condition that can only be ascertained by an experienced Psychiatrist and or experienced Drug/Alcohol counselor, and in most cases requires a team of doctors including all to consult together in order to effectively treat a patient and weed out the addicts. There needs to be a change in the fear mongering of opiate pain medications and a better understanding of Pain, and especially Chronic PAIN, when most doctors are not even familiar with pain, have not experienced pain, and particularly have no experience with Chronic Pain. When will there be a serious discussion on this issue and a collective change of consciousness within the medical community? When will Wikipedia address this issue in a responsible, ethical, and social contribution as a medical, psychological, and humanitarian issue that you admittedly report effects over 100 million people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.197.131.106 (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry for your accident and your pain, but this is the help desk for Wikipedia, where we answer questions about how to use and edit Wikipedia. I do not see a question about using Wikipedia in what you have written. --ColinFine (talk) 11:27, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest Talk:Pain management and Talk:Chronic pain. You would have to find reliable sources to support your point of view. And the standards for medical information are even higher than those for other information on Wikipedia. One possibility would be for you to persuade a reputable journalist to write about your situation.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:15, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried suppositories? CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 20:21, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Remember, Wikipedia does not give medical advice. I don't know where the template is. Besides, this is about Wikipedia coverage of topics.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:25, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Page ownership

Hello, I'm a marketing director for mySupermarket LTd. Whenever i try to edit the "mySupermarket" page on Wikipedia my changes are undone. Is it for the good of the general public that someone who has no info on my company gets to decide which information is important to the public and which is not? How can i make sure that the information that i want to be known is kept on my article? Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adelman0987 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Articles on here must comply with the rules. One of them is that articles must be written from a neutral point of view. That means that someone writing on behalf of an organisation (be it a commercial company, a charity, a club or whatever) pretty much should not change an article about that organisation. It's more than likely going to count as original research at best and advertising at worst: among the many things which Wikipedia is not is a vehicle for advertising of any kind. If inaccurate information is being presented (that's information which is verifiably inaccurate as compared with that cited from reliable third-party sources, not "at odds with your own publicity material") then you should discuss this on the talkpage for the relevant article (having declared your interest as an employee). In short, nobody "owns" articles on here (technically the Wikimedia Foundation does) and nobody is in a position to "make sure that the information that [they] want to be known is kept on [an] article?". Tonywalton ^Talk 13:39, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

You need to understand that it is not your article. It is Wikipedia article which happens to be about a subject you are connected to, this gives you no ownership or control over the article. In fact since you have a clear conflict of interest in that it is your job to promote this company while the article should neutrally report all information bad and good, you should not be editing the article at all, since you will be unable to remain neutral. If you want to have input on the page, the only way you should do so is to use the {{editrequest}} tag on the talk page of the article to suggest changes you would like made, for unbiased editors to action if appropriate--Jac16888 ^Talk 13:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

editing article on Sir Ronald Adam

I have been editing the article on Sir Ronald Adam on the basis of my biography of him published in February 2013 but have got stuck with the references as I do not understand how to establish a {(Reflist)} template and the help page is no help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vesseaux07 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I've started the cleanup, not quite done. BTW, do not start paragraphs with a space, that creates a box, like

this

--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I think I've fixed it.

• Use the pipe character "|" not the "\" as a separator in templates
• Check out Referencing for beginners for more help on references, which are very tricky for new editors--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:29, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Nafisa Kuwajerwala sister to Hussain Kuwajerwala on Wikipedia

reference is Nafisa K Kuwajerwala, MD - Beaumont Health System | Beaumont ... beaunet.beaumont.edu/portal/pls/portal/prs.web_pkg.bio?xdr=7218

Nafisa K Kuwajerwala, Breast Care Center - Surgery Doctor in Troy, MI doctor.webmd.com/.../nafisa-kuwajerwala-md-a7bcaf4b-086a-4eab-...Nafisa K Kuwajerwala is a practicing Surgery doctor in Troy, MI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nafisamd (talk • contribs) 14:55, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing that you want something added to the article Hussain Kuwajerwala, about his sister. In general, the answer is to be bold and edit the article yourself; but since I suspect you are Nafisa Kuwajerwala (from your username) it would be better for you to request the addition at Talk:Hussain Kuwajerwala, where others without a conflict of interest can decide what it is approriate to add. In this case, my own feeling is that it is not appropriate to add anything: the article is about HK, not about you; and though the names of family members are often given in articles, the source you have supplied merely says who you are, it does not mention any connection to HK. --ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Creating template to be used by a bot

Resolved

 – Will mess with this in my userspace until it is ready. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:40, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I want to create a new template that is intended to be placed on a file page by a bot. I want to achieve that the template has several parameters (as many as necessary) that give the name and a wikilink to an article where the file is lacking a non-free use rationale. Is it possible to have an arbitrary number of optional parameters like

{{Unbulleted list
| {{#if: {{{1|}}} | [[:File:{{{1}}}]]}}
| {{#if: {{{2|}}} | [[:File:{{{2}}}]]}}
}}

For example, if the bot places the template on a file page with say lacking 10 rationales it should list those 10 files, while if there is only one, it should only list that one file. What is the best way to do this? Is it possible to define a variable number of parameters? If not, then I guess I'd have to choose a number that is high enough to work in all cases that the bot would be expected to encounter (but which is of course a bit ugly, because it would fail if the number actually is higher than the specified number). -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:44, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:VPT may be a better venue for your question.--ukexpat (talk) 17:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I just saw that my question is partially incorrect anyway; what I meant is that the template should have parameters to list articles where the file is being used and lacks a rationale for the use, the parameters aren't intended for listing files (only 50% of my head seem to be at Wikipedia right now, while the other 50% are somewhere else). And yes, VPT might be a better place for this question. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 18:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, anyway, I just realized that one parameter is probably sufficient, if the article names are all being listed in a way such as

{{Unbulleted list | [[''Article_1'']]</br>[[''Article_2'']]</br>[[''Article_3'']]}}

-- Toshio Yamaguchi 18:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

article upload

I wrote an article about stem cell researcher Juergen Hescheler but I am unable to upload it. Upon saving the page it henceforth only seem to exist in the Wikipedia talk section. How do I get this aricle 'published'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artecplus (talk • contribs) 16:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

The draft is at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Juergen Hescheler and awaiting review. Please be patient.--ukexpat (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Your submission is lacking reliable sources and unlikely to be moved into the main space. Ruslik_Zero 18:27, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Change of Chief Operating Officer of Air Arabia Maroc

sirs,

Would like to inform you of an Update related to key people in charge of Air Arabia Maroc. Mr. Amin Alhaimy replaced Mr. Ramachandran as Chief Operating Officer of Air Arabia Maroc since April 2012

Thank you and best regards

Amin Alhaimy Chief operating Officer Air Arabia Maroc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.251.44.232 (talk) 18:56, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to support that?--ukexpat (talk) 20:50, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Pink Mountain, British Columbia

I wish to add an article that will significantly increase the published information about Pink Mountain, British Columbia. In reading through the new contributor instructions I note that proper references are important. On the existing Pink Mountain page I see no references. Do these appear somewhere other than the main page or are they only used by administrators? Are personal observations acceptable as references? It is not clear to me where in the article the references should appear. It is also not clear to me how I retrieve answers to my questions.

Ron Long — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron Long (talk • contribs) 19:21, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Please take a look at referencing for beginners and guidance on reliable sources. Note that personal observations are not reliable sources. I will post a message to your talk page directing you back to this page.--ukexpat (talk) 20:48, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

You're right that the existing article has no references. This is a common situation, especially for stubs, but it is not the desired state, and adding reliable sources to existing articles is a very worthwhile contribution. --ColinFine (talk) 00:53, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Saving books

dear wiki im having a problem creating a book every time im done for the day but not done eith my book i loose all of my research and have to start over. is there a setting so i dont loose everything when im done for the day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bud1166 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Your account must be autoconfirmed (4 days old and 10 edits) before you can save books, see Help:Books.--ukexpat (talk) 21:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Project templates

{{WikiProject Statistics}} adds all talk pages to Category:WikiProject Statistics articles. It also adds categories and templates to Category:Category-Class Statistics articles and Category:Template-Class Statistics articles, respectively (and similarly for portal and project pages, etc.) Is there are way to modify {{WikiProject Statistics}} so that only article talk pages are added Category:WikiProject Statistics articles. I'm not asking anyone to do this, I'd just like to know if it possible and, if so, how to do it. Regards, Illia Connell (talk) 22:49, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you please provide an example for what you are talking about, as I cannot figure out what you mean by all talk pages versus article talk pages. This appears to be a template that should only be used on article talk pages. Thanks Tiggerjay (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Statistics}} is the Statistics WikiProject banner template that populates Category:Statistics articles by importance and Category:Statistics articles by quality. It automatically adds templates to Category:Template-Class Statistics articles and categories to Category:Template-Class Statistics articles (and similarly for portal pages, project pages, etc). It also adds categories and templates to Category:WikiProject Statistics articles. I'd like to know if it is possible to prevent the template from adding cats and templates to Category:WikiProject Statistics articles. By all, I mean articles, templates, cats, redirects, dab pages, portal pages, project pages, redirects. As an example, I'd like to be able to modify {{WikiProject Statistics}} so that Template talk:Common univariate probability distributions remains in Category:Template-Class Statistics articles and Category:NA-importance Statistics articles, but does not appear in Category:WikiProject Statistics articles. I'm not actually going to do this yet, but I think that having templates, cats, redirects, dab pages, portal pages, project pages, redirects etc in Category:WikiProject Statistics articles adds unnecessary clutter. Thanks for your help Illia Connell (talk) 03:31, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Made new Wikipedia Page is it up Correctly?

here is the wikipedia page that I have created for a noteworthy company how can I get it live with the proper wikipedia formatting and url structure: Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Photon Infotech — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericjcarrmiddletownde (talk • contribs) 23:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Formatting, good. However, it is Wikipedia:Advertising and full of the things corporations like to say about themselves. Must be made WP:NEUTRAL. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:10, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Because you have used the "Articles for creation" mechanism, it will stay where it us until it has passed a successful review (which is how it is supposed to work). Once you have addressed the issue that Jim Henderson as already given you, follow the instructions at the top of the draft to submit it for review. If you were to move it to article space now, it would probably get deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 01:01, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Just checked your user page. Up and coming companies will almost never pass the notability guidelines set out at WP:CORP so it is probably a waste of time writing articles about them. There are plenty of other areas where you can contribute.--ukexpat (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

There is no more wording saying Up and Coming and edits have been applied. This company founded Siri (the iphone assistant) so it is a notable article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericjcarrmiddletownde (talk • contribs) 17:58, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it sounds like it is probably worth having an article, but it still needs a good bit of cleanup before it should be moved into the mainspace. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Far too promotional - in fact it reads as though it might have been copied from one of the companies many web pages - not saying that's what happened, just that it reads that way. And our manual of style says "Do not use the ™ and ® symbols". Dougweller (talk) 18:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

My comment about "up and coming" was based on this from your user page: ...and tend to write about up and coming tech companies.--ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 31 December 2012 (UTC)