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May 24

When should we iconify?

{{pp-protected}} and its related templates all feature the |icon parameter. My question is, when should we not use the icon and instead have a bigger template. I usually see the icon on protected templates, but there were one or two instances where I saw the full template displayed rather than the small icon. Thanks! --Michaelzeng7 (talk - contribs) 01:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Latin info

This file is in Latin. Should it be translated, since this is the English wiki? Legolover26 (talk) 01:58, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

A translation would be best. It would require that somebody makes a new file with some external tool and uploads it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Done. It's at File:Hill sphere of the planets.png. I've replaced the image in Hill sphere with it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

This question completely confused me because I couldn't see any Latin anywhere. I eventually realised that the image was labelled in French. --ColinFine (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

It could be the user actually thought it was Latin, but I have noticed in the past, on occasion, people using "Latin" as a catchall for anything not in English, or "Greek", as in "it's all Greek to me."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I thought it was Latin, but I was wrong. It had latin sounding things, like Terre for Earth. But in Latin, Earth is Terra. I was wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legolover26 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Request to perpetuate memory of Dr.Phillipe Pinel,

World Schizophrenia Day is observed on 24th May to pay tributes to this compassionate and courageous psychiatrist who ordered 200 mentally ill persons to be liberated by unchaining them from the government asylum near Paris. Some of them were chained for 30 to 40 years as if they were dangerous wild beasts. So also Dr.Pinel had liberated another 600 women mentally ill from another asylum. He is also known as the Father of Modern Psychiatry not only because of freeing these mentally ill but also because of his research work in the field of mental illness. To pay permanent tribute to this savant, may I suggest you introduce a new verb, TO PINEL, meaning to liberate, to unchain, to be freed from captivity or bondage. English language will be richer by doing this.

I am volunteering for Schizophrenia Awareness Association, Pune, India, for the past 14 years (www.schizophrenia.org.in) and am fully aware that though Dr.Pinel freed the mentally ill from metal chains, even to this day they continue to be bound by ignorance, isolation, discrimination and indignity in all parts of the world.

Thank you in advance for your compliance = Gurudatt Kundapurkar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.143.52.168 (talk) 02:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tribute website. Cresix (talk) 03:19, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

We already have an article about Phillipe Pinel. Roger (talk) 09:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

If you are suggesting that Wikipedia should mention your word then it is against Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#Neologisms and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Neologisms and new compounds. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Walhaalla SC

I was just interested in what historial information Wiki had on my hometown of Walhalla SC. I noticed the reference to the current mayor is incorrect. The current mayor is Danny Edwards. Please update if you are able. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.1.106 (talk) 03:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to edit the article yourself, but be sure to provide a reliable source for your edits. For more information, read WP:HEP. Cresix (talk) 03:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Want to write about my site.

Hello,

I am working for a free classified site, so i want to write an article for my site on Wikipedia to make user aware about my site. So please tell me how can i do so and what things i should keep in mind to make my post approved on wiki.

Note: Please reply me ASAP.

Regards, Simon Jain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonjain223 (talk • contribs) 05:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

You can learn how to write an article by reading WP:YFA. You also need to read the policies on what makes a subject notable and editing when you have a conflict of interest. You can also request an article at WP:RA. RudolfRed (talk) 06:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

You should also be aware that Wikipedia has strict rules against advertising. Making people aware of your website is not a legitimate purpose for Wikipedia articles. We only allow articles about stuff that people are already aware of. Roger (talk) 06:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of page created by me - Hanwen - Pearl Delta International School

I created the page a month back and it was deleted. I requested for accepting the page. So I recreated it now and again it is marked for deletion.

This school is upcoming school and I had added a relevant web link already in the new page that I created last week.

I request you to accept this page for the sake of the community as this is a school started for the sake of public.

Thanks for your attention.

Chitra sivakumar Chitra sivakumar (talk) 06:41, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

The place to discuss the deletion is at the AFD. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedily deleted as a WP:COPYVIO.--ukexpat (talk) 14:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

And if by "upcoming" you meant "up and coming", then I strongly suggest you read WP:UPANDCOMING. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Someone removed the redirect on the article I was editing

I was editing the article class conflict. I first found the article by searching the term "Class Warfare". Now after editing it, when I do the same thing, search class "class warfare" the it no longer redirects me directly to this article. Is there a way to just change the name of the "Class Conflict" article to "Class Warfare"? Or, how can I change the article back to the way it was before where it was automatically presented when one searched the words "Class Warfare", and how do I found out how did this? It's not in the history.--XB70Valyrie (talk) 08:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

There is also an article at Class struggle, I'm no expert on the topic but it seems to me the subjects have very large overlaps. Roger (talk) 08:08, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep in mind that titles are case sensitive - Class Warfare and Class warfare are different pages. Roger (talk) 08:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I suspect you typed "Class warefare" or "Class Warefare" (with the "e" in the middle), which unlike those above, do redirect to this article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I've been contemplating combining the two articles. A bold edit I just need to find the time for. I think I might have straightened this out by adding a the words and description to the actual list of redirects that appear when you search "class warfare". Thanks. --XB70Valyrie (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so now I need to know how to delete the Class Struggle article since I've migrated all relevant material from it over to the Class conflict article. Obviously I (with a little help from some friends) need to create a "redirect" to the Class conflict struggle in reference to the Class Struggle article. I'm actually quite proud of the new, bigger, more detailed Class conflict article. I've dolled it up and added photos and everything. I need to find more citations to the Marx sections and intro, but holy cow, my life only moves one minute at a time. --XB70Valyrie (talk) 06:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi XB70Valyrie. Obviously what you did was in sterling good faith, but please note for future reference the actions necessary to comply with mandatory copyright attribution when you merge content and otherwise copy content from one Wikipedia page to another. You must note you are merging content and link where you are merging from in the edit summary, e.g., "Merging content from [[article name]]". You did at least indicate to some extent what you were doing, though the name you used, the unlinked Class Struggle with an uppercase "S", is a disambiguation page, while the page with the content you were merging was at Class struggle. I have fixed this with the copyright attribution note seen here. Regarding deletion of Class struggle, the very fact that you have merged content from there means it must never be deleted—its edit history is now the copyright attribution for all the content you merged. However, what I have done is redirect it to class conflict. Please note the copyright attribution edit summary for this other side of the merge that I used upon the redirection (which is also required). I have also done some other things, such as add a hatnote to the article needed because of the merge, change the disambiguation page to make sense in light of the merge and fixed the double redirects that pointed at class struggle, to point at class conflict. Best regards,--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Wow. That's both a lot of work that you did and a perfect example that I still have lots to learn about the inner-workings and protocol of wikipedia editing. I'll read up on the wikipedia links you cited and become better and better at this every day. Thanks again, I'll wiki the word "barn-star" and review the recommendation process for that. :) --XB70Valyrie (talk) 06:14, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Deliberately excessive referencing

An editor added unsourced info to a BLP which someone correctly reverted. The first editor then "retalliated" by returning the material to the page with an excessively large number of cites - with a distinctly peevish edit summary - "sources added - take your pick". Is there a specific guideline about excessive referencing? Roger (talk) 10:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything against it, the edit is very pointy, but nothing actionable. Wikipedia:Citation overkill has some further reading. I've not got the time to read it myself. Яehevkor ✉ 11:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Wikipedia:Citation overkill is exactly what I'm looking for. Roger (talk) 11:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

"Vandalism" needs removed

Hello. I am a teacher at Ohio Connections Academy and to teach my students that Wikipedia is NOT a credible source for Research papers because anyone can edit it I showed them what I mean by adding a few untrue comments onto Wikipedia under the "Ohio Connections Academy" section. I don't ever edit anything on Wikipedia and the only times I have done are for teaching practices. The last time I added an untrue comment onto the "Ohio Connections Academy" section they removed it immediately and I was glad because I didn't mean for it to be left up there for good. I thought that when I put up untrue comments that the Wikipedia staff would find and remove it - in fact, I was counting on it. So I was surprised to learn that my most recent untrue comment is still up. I just tried to edit to remove what I wrote and realize that I must be blocked from editing because of "vandalism." So I just wanted to ask that you remove the comment about "Lisa Hess being an Olympic Gold medalist in Archery" from the "Ohio Connections Academy" section. Also, if there is any way I could have my editing privileges reinstated that would be great, as I promise in the future I will remove my untrue comments as soon as I put them up. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klunt (talk • contribs) 12:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

You're totally missing the point that you are not allowed to vandalize WP for any purposes whatsoever. If you are genuinely interested in using WP as a teaching tool there are properly organised programs for doing so - WP:School and university projects. Roger (talk) 13:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have removed your edit. Claiming that you will "remove my untrue edits as soon as I put them up" is perhaps the worst unblock request I've seen to date; effectively you're asking us to unblock you so that you can continue to vandalise the encyclopedia. The motivation for your vandalism is irrelevant; you are here to deliberately disrupt the work of other editors, and removing your editing privileges is the appropriate response. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually this "editor" is not currently blocked - but probably should be. Roger (talk) 13:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Noted, and agreed. I'm watchlisting their talkpage - if another warning pops up, I shall log an AIV report. In the meantime, Klunt, please either use your account to edit constructively, or don't edit at all. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

While you are watching, you may wish to keep an eye on Katherinel12 (talk · contribs) too. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Klunt, you misunderstand how Wikipedia works at such a fundamental level that I'm disturbed you feel qualified to teach your students about it. "Wikipedia staff" (actually Wikimedia Foundation staff) number 75; articles on the various language Wikipedias number 22 million. So vandalism is not repaired by paid staffers, but by ordinary volunteers around the world who donate their free time to helping maintain Wikipedia. Many such volunteers are educators; I myself teach at university. If you don't want your students citing Wikipedia (as I don't) you need only point them toward Wikipedia's own advice available by clicking "Cite this page" from the toolbox on the left hand side of any article. You might also tell the students about, for example, the Wikipedia biography controversy or the Essjay controversy.

There should be nothing stopping you from editing that article or any other as long as you are logged in; I would guess you were unable to edit before because you weren't logged in and were trying to edit from an IP address with a history of vandalism. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 13:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

How about actually doing something constructive on WP as a class project instead of vandalising? There are a whole universe of articles that need to be written. There is so much that your class (and you) can learn with such a project. Instead of simply bleating on about how vandalism makes WP unreliable - and then making the problem even worse by vandalising it yourself - you can teach your class many useful skills; how to properly research a topic, how to identify reliable sources and then use them to write a good article with a proper structure, references, etc. These are skills they will find very useful as they go further in their academic careers - and even after in their professions. Please see WP:School and university projects for guidance on how to get started. Roger (talk) 14:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia#A caution before citing Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia. Don't vandalize Wikipedia and please don't teach your students how to do it, which is probably how some of them will view your irresponsible lesson. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

How to deal with trolls on wikipedia

Assume that an editor with more than 50000 edits, who's indefinitely blocked due to "trolling" last year, is requesting an unblock. And he claimed that he has contributed a lot so far, and it will be no harm to unblock him; if not, it'll certainly be a loss to wikipedia. However he doesn't admit that he did any thing wrong last year.

So just curious about how admins here would deal with this on enwiki. Or, any similar cases before? Thanks.--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 13:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

You should probably ask at WP:AN.--ukexpat (talk) 14:23, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Clear Channel no longer has naming rights to the Lancaster Municipal Stadium.

Please update the header of this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Channel_Stadium

It should now be "Lancaster Municipal Stadium."

Thank you, Recreation Programs Coordinator City of Lancaster — Preceding unsigned comment added by CityLancasterCC (talk • contribs) 16:25, 24 May 2012‎ (UTC+1)

Do you have a source for that? Your own website still has [Clear Channel]. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Can I undo an edit?

I found a broken link to a page that no longer exists. A friend told me those are good to edit and add credible websites (in other words he said link it back to your site)... Without thinking, I did the edit and am now worried that I might get banned in google for spamming... I would like to undo this but do not know how. Is there a way to just undo what I did and put everything back to where it was? Or will Wikipedia just edit this back to how it should be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricci84 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I have undone your edit to an archive. No harm. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hughes Hotel

Looking up the History of Fresno, Calif. the file showed so much on key items that Fresno is known for in History. One of the biggest item that was not listed is the "Hughes Hotel" that was on the corner of Tulare and Broadway. It was a very History Labeled Building. It had the first electric lights in Fresno. It was one of the most beautiful buildings that I have ever been in. It was built in the mid to end of 1800's. But in 1953, I believe it was, an arsonist went around Fresno and started fires all over town. Mainly the downtown area and businesses. Why I can not remember but it was a very hot,hot day and the fires were being lit one after another. They did catch him and he was sentenced. That part escapes me but the history is there and many building that were very Historical to Fresno were lost or badly damaged. You should put that down in the history of Fresno. I remember riding the last steam train leaving Fresno going South to LA. and watching it circle around the mountain going over the ridge route and going through the tunnels thru the mountains. Bring those items up. To me Fresno has lost alot of history by the way it is being run. At 65 and not of the computer rules history age, if history has not being written down in real ink, not just posted on computers, the world is going to be lost.

Thank you, Susan Gilstrap — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amber1041 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I added a header to your edit to separate it from the previous edit. Feel free to edit the article yourself, but be sure to cite reliable sources. For more information read WP:HEP. Cresix (talk) 16:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Page Ashraf Al Hajuj

Ashraf Al Hajuj (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Sir or Madam,

I would want to report the problem with the page "Ashraf Al Hajuj". The page is with false and inadequate content about a living person and should be removed in accordance with Wikipedia regulations. The gossip columns are not a source of the trustful information. All our attempts to make appropriate corrections (i.e. in the date of birth even) are met with aggression and are immediately labeled "vandalism". Also I would want to report the problem with the user "Nadine" who apparently is very incompetent and narrow-minded, allows herself to insult people and believes any other person is wrong if he/she doesn't share her opinion. We contacted the Interpol to advise us on this issue. They advised us to contact you first to see if there is any possibility to resolve the conflict peacefully and just to delete the nonsense that was written. Also we would like to ask you for cooperation in giving the contact details of the persons who are behind creating this page full with false and insulting information. In case we do not receive any response from your side, we wll proceed with legal actions.

I hope to have informed you sufficiently.

Kind regards, Ashraf El-Hagoug — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.168.166.15 (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Making legal threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. An appropriate place to address your concerns (but not legal threats) is Talk:Ashraf Al Hajuj. Cresix (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Can a private business be included in Wikipedia?

I am editor of Tank Transport Trader magazine, a 30-year-old monthly magazine that is the leading trade journal for those in the tank-truck industry. Would a small overview (biography)of our company meet criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.116.126.233 (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

The main criteria are notability (more specifically the company notability criteria) and whether you have sufficient independent reliable sources. The size of the company as such is not relevant. So the basic issue is, have other publications written articles about your magazine? Roger (talk) 19:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Also take a look at WP:COI to avoid some of the pitfalls regarding conflict of interest if you or someone closely affiliated with your business writes the article. Cresix (talk) 19:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

A quick look at Google came up with only your own website (tanktransport.com) and a multitude of directory listings (which prove nothing more than existence). No in-depth coverage of your company/magazine by independent sources, so unless you can pull the proverbial rabbit out of a hat and find a source that Google can't, it doesn't look like the article would pass the notability requirement. Roger (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations covers all of that and more. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

To put it simply as possible for the OP: It doesn't matter what a thing is, what matters is what information is availible about that thing. If there is a sufficient amount of information in truly independent (i.e. not written by the subject itself) and reliable sources, then there should be an article about that thing. If, however, all that exists is trivial writing (very little depth of content) or all of the writing is by the thing itself (i.e. on the company's own website), then Wikipedia shouldn't have an article about it. --Jayron32 19:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Requesting a new article?

Hello there! I was wondering how to REQUEST a new article to be written. I do not yet have all the skills needed to start an article, but I did notice that a page on the third novel in the Airhead series by Meg Cabot, "Runaway" needs a page.

There are some links to the page, but it redirects to Meg Cabot. The first two books in the series have their own pages.

I welcome any help! Thank you! LovelyEdit ^talk 20:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Requested articles. --Jayron32 20:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Article: Jim Suhler

I recently completed editing an article for Jim Suhler. I used the "move" button from my sandbox to go "live" with the article but don't see it in a search. Are there any further steps required to make this article appear? Thanks in advance for your assistance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malskl2 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Just a note, you moved the article to Wikipedia space at WP:Jim Suhler, rather then article space. I moved it there, to Jim Suhler for you, and removed the sandbox template. It should now appear in searches. Otherwise, I don't see any other technical issues. I don't see any critical issues, though I'd suggest categorizing the article, looking for places where the article should be wiki linked from, and adding more references for the information contained in it. Monty₈₄₅ 21:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Monty's move means you get the article if you enter the precise title in the search box, but the article text has not been indexed by the search function yet. See Help:Searching#Delay in updating the search index. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

notification of updates on suggested changes

Dear Wikipedia,

I submitted a request to change a line in the article about "Bahrain" on May 20, 2012. My request was as follows:

Please change "Bahrain is a Constitutional monarchy" to "Bahrain is an absolute monarchy which claims to be a constitutional monarchy".

How do I know if anyone is considering this suggestion or has acted on it either affirmatively or negatively?

regards,

csc a.k.a. "Clioveritas" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clioveritas (talk • contribs) 21:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

The sources you provided are not reliable. See the reply to your request at Talk:Bahrain. Cresix (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Click "My contributions" at the top of any page to see your edits. The answer to your request is where you posted it: Talk:Bahrain#Edit request on 20 May 2012. If you become more active then see Help:Watching pages for a way to keep track of edits to pages of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Rollback

How do you rollback several contributions at once by an editor, across different pages?Ankh.Morpork 21:39, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

You could open (in new windows/tabs for expediency) a bunch of the roll back links from the editor's contributions page, if its a particularly large number, there is a mass roll back script discussed at Wikipedia:MASSROLLBACK. Monty₈₄₅ 21:44, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

can i play maplestory on my new latop?

hello i was wondering if anyone knew if i was able to play and enjoy maplestory with very little lag on my new laptop. my new laptop is a Toshiba satellite C675-S7104. it has a 4gb memory and a 320gb hard drive. it also has a 4gb ram. and lastly its runs using Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit operating system.

if anyone could help me its would highly appreciated thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yokikodi (talk • contribs) 22:49, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. RudolfRed (talk) 22:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

THis page is for questions about how to use Wikipedia. The place to ask this kind of question is at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. GB fan 22:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)