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November 14

Photo as source

I would like to use a photograph on WP Commons as a source, but am unsure how to do it. This photo:[File:Adhilleion_History.JPG] is the only source of information that I could find as reference. It is text from a tourist information window. My main problem is that I want to link to the file description page, but my attempts always link to the image itself, except for using an external link:[1]. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC) If you're wondering where I need it, it would be reference #7, here: Willy Stöwer ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:06, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

For an article reference you should use an external link but to Commons where the image is hosted: [2]. Articles can be copied to other websites, printed and so on, so interwiki links in references may break. Anyway, a colon in front of the link produces File:Adhilleion History.JPG. Media:Adhilleion History.JPG gives a direct link to the full resolution file. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. For a reference, probably the full wikimedia link is best, more like a "permalink". Thanks, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 01:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Article deleted due to copyright infringement

Hello, my article has been deleted due to copyright infringement.

My question's are:

How/can I bring the article back to correct? or has the page I created been deleted for ever?

How long does the deleted page show up in Internet search results for?

There was an error in the title when I created it; can I change the title of the existing pase or do I have to cretae a new one?

So, should I create a new page with a corrected main title with all of the referencing and coopyright issues resolved. Or use the existing deleted page (if I can) and change that main title?

Any help appreciated. Many thanks.

DBruceNZ (talk) 00:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)DBruceNZ

Normally, an uncontroversially deleted article can be undeleted, and userfied as a user draft article for submission to AfC. However, copyright violations will not be restored, even into a sandbox. Articles must be written in your own words. It's better if you start from scratch.--xanchester (t) 01:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

To answer your other questions: the page you created has gone forever, so you can just start afresh with the correct title; however, I suggest you create the article in a sandbox: see WP:YFA. And we have no control over how long before Google notices that the page has gone. --ColinFine (talk) 01:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

National Socialism

First, it is repeatedly stated on the Wikipedia post that National Socialism was a right wing party. Further, it states that their platform was anti-big business, anti-capitalism and anti-bourgeoisie. None of these are right wing positions and in fact are positions that have been part of the far left platform for over 100 years, so the claim is at best erroneous.

Second, I find it interesting that the only place that there is reference to the right wing is in a negative context through dubious association with such political systems, while, at the same time the left wing gets no such treatment. For instance Socialism and Communism have been associated with the left and the progressive movement, there is no mention in your articles on these subjects.

I am not stating that you should include such statements on the left, however, even though you do not have a centralized editorial department, you do have an editorial policy and it should be applied evenly. In addition, some basic fact checking should apply, such as do editorial assertions by the author have any basis in the facts, even if those facts are only those presented in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenFRowe (talk • contribs) 01:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The relevant facts are that National Socialism is almost universally described as right-wing by credible historians and other academics who are qualified to comment on the subject. If you have sources of a similar standard which suggest otherwise, I suggest you raise the matter at Talk:Nazism - this is a help desk, not a forum for debating article content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

With all due respect, that is argumentum ad verecundiam. Wikipedia has to avoid such a position.

71.173.3.254 (talk) 20:25, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of a page

I was recently notified that the page for "Richy Nix" was deleted. Richy Nix is a musician from Canada and had his page developed and updated as his career was progressing. Can I get some information on why the page was deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philkuku (talk • contribs) 04:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

At a guess, would Wikipedia:Notability (music) give a clue? To merit an article on Wikipedia, a musician needs to have 'progressed', rather than to just be 'progressing' - and we need evidence from third-party reliable sources to indicate this. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it was deleted for lack of notability. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Richy_Nix RudolfRed (talk) 04:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

In other words, it was deleted because people didn't think that Richy had gotten enough in-depth coverage from reliable sources. Nyttend (talk) 05:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I also suggest you read our guidance on "up-and-coming" subjects. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

About CIDER International School

Hi all.
"CIDER International School" is an existing upper-secondary level school in Chittagong, Bangladesh. Whenever I try to add references, they are hijacked to "http://ciderinternationalschool.org", a site that may possibly be cybersquatting the actual school's website. I simply don't have the smarts to investigate this further or suggest a workaround.
Could anyone possibly help me out with this? --Shirt58 (talk) 11:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Are there no other citable sources to be found? Even if that URL was usable (I can't load it at all), it would presumably be the school's own site, and therefore not an independent reliable source. If no one else has written about it, then maybe it doesn't warrant an article. Rojomoke (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

(ec)That link simply fails with a timeout for me, so it looks as if even if it was once the school's own website it is no longer. But in any case, references from the school's own website are permitted only for very limited uses - to support uncontroversial factual information in the article, such as its location or the names of principal members of staff. For most purposes - and in particular, to establish notability, without which an article is liable to be deleted - independent reliable sources are required for references. --ColinFine (talk) 11:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Since Shirt58's last edit someone with a COI username has added a load of WP:PEACOCK material. I'm going to PROD the article. Roger (talk) 12:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Fine with all the above, and thanks for all of your help. <sighs> Fact remains that there is a school of that or similar name in Bangladesh, but the article may well end up being deleted. Most unfortunate indeed. Again, thank you all for your kind help and most appreciated advice. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

@Roger, Wouldn't a better approach be to revert the COI edits back to the previous version from last year? Astronaut (talk) 13:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Astronaut, you're welcome to contest the PROD. But as it stands, the article has no references and so does not establish notability. --ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

If you are convinced the article is worth saving and you can prove that the subject is notable, you are welcome to have a go at cleaning it up. Roger (talk) 14:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

There is a long-standing tradition of the blanket notability of secondary schools - if there existence is verified. See Wikipedia:OUTCOMES#Schools. Rmhermen (talk) 16:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

It's only a presumption of notability - which serves to prevent the summary deletion of stubs in the early stages of development - as a presumption is is subject to denial if the GNG standard is not achieved. Roger (talk) 19:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

edit in wikipedia will not accept my external url

I have tried to edit an external link but it is a .co.nr address which is being refused, what can I do to get the address accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.188.235 (talk) 12:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Please state in which article you want to put this link. .nr states that it is not an official domain. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 13:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

(ec) Some URLs cannot be added to Wikipedia articles because they are known to be the source of malware. See Wikipedia:Spam_blacklist. If you tell us the address that's being refused, modified so that the wiki software doesn't recognize it (type 'dot' instead of '.' for instance), we'll be able to investigate. Rojomoke (talk) 13:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Doug Hoffer

Good morning

I was just elected Vermont State Auditor and someone created a page about me (Doug Hoffer). http://vermont-elections.org/elections1/2012ElectionResults/2012GeneralElectionResults/2012GEStatewideCanvass.pdf (see page 3)

The page is partly accurate but contains some errors. In addition, if there is to be such a page, I would like to expand it somewhat. And as the subject of the page, I am the best source of information (it's my life after all). However, the understandable need for citations makes this a challenge.

I posted on the Talk page but have had no response.

So how exactly can I edit the page?

Thank you - Doug Hoffer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drhoffer (talk • contribs) 13:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I added a title to separate your question from the one above it, and made your name into a link to the article. Rojomoke (talk) 13:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

You may be the best source of information on your life, but by Wikipedia policy you are not the best (or even an acceptable) source for a Wikipedia article about you. This may seem paradoxical, but Wikipedia works on verifiability. Please see WP:Autobiography for why you should not in general work on the article directly: if there is information in the article which is both wrong and unsourced, you (or anybody) may remove it; but be very cautious about adding new material yourself, and especially about removing information which appears to be referenced to a reliable source. WP:COI has a lot of useful guidance. --ColinFine (talk) 14:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Error when updating watchlist

My current Watchlist is about 25,000 pages long, and I'm trying to significantly cut it down, however when editing the raw watchlist and submitting I get the following error:

PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf3/includes/specials/SpecialEditWatchlist.php line 273:

Allowed memory size of 157286400 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 262144 bytes)

Special:EditWatchlist doesn't load for me (blank white page) and I don't fancy the idea of manually unwatching thousands of pages! Is there anything that can be done? Thanks :-) Jeni ^(talk) 14:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I suspect my watchlist has just become far too long for the script to handle, causing it to topple over. Is it at all possible for someone to just manually clear my watchlist from the database or similar? I've got a backup of the pages that I *do* want to continue watching (much less than 25k!) so it's not a problem to start from scratch! Jeni ^(talk) 14:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

As of a few mins ago, I was given a blank message, thankyou to whoever did that :-) Jeni ^(talk) 14:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Redacting email address in edit summary

Leeds Trinity University College; an IP has put an email address in their edit summary. I think it needs to be redacted, could someone help me or just do it. Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The problem with email addresses is when people use them for outing others; individuals who post their own email addresses have done something foolish, but unless something else come up (e.g. disruptive email address; poster wants it taken down, etc.) we don't need to. Nyttend (talk) 15:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

OK then, thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Change Article Name

Hello, i made an article that is now called "Wikipedia:Articles for creation/HelloGiggles (website)". How can i change it to "HelloGiggles (website)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/HelloGiggles_(website) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeThreeHG (talk • contribs) 15:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

See HelloGiggles. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeThreeHG (talk • contribs) 16:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Person alive, character dead

Hi!, I am new to Wikipedia and would like to know this, I read the copyright rules and I understood them but for instance, this picture depicts a person who is alive (the actor) but a character who is dead (Final Destination 2). I mean, does it qualify under fair rationale? Thank you! Newyorkboyy (talk) 16:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Fair-use rationale applies to how the work was generated. If the image is a publicity shot for a film, or a screen capture from the film, then the copyright is owned by the studio that produced the film and fair-use rules apply. The character's disposition in the film has no effect on that. If, however, the picture was taken by an individual - for example, someone who was visiting the set and snapped the picture while the actor was on-set and in-character - then the image would probably be considered free. --McDoobAU93 16:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

But if you don't know the copyright status, it's safer to assume non-free. In addition, a character who is dead has no bearing on the ability to use the image of the character. - Purplewowies (talk) 20:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Why is notability important in Wikipedia?

I'm somewhat familiar with Wikipedia and how understand how it is important for information in articles to be accurate and obtained from reliable sources, but I'm not too sure about why it's important for information or articles/subjects to be notable enough. Can someone please enlighten me with the reason of why notability is required? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.251.196 (talk) 17:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

See WP:Notability.--ukexpat (talk) 17:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the help desk. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an indiscriminate collection of everything. Entries on Wikipedia must have some sort of encyclopedic value, demonstrated by the subject's notability.--xanchester (t) 17:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Look at it this way: if we didn't have notability requirements, there would be an article about anything and everything! (anything – do you think someone's pet dog or cat, a story they made up, their garage band, etc. deserve an article in an encyclopedia? [maybe, if they are well-known]) Wikipedia would be really clogged up with non-notable stuff, and it would probably lose the respect of readers who would be able to find an article about every little thing. The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 17:27, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The problem is not that readers would be able to find an article about every little thing, there would be so many articles about everything that they would not find any article any more. How to find the former president amongst all Gerald Fords that would have an article? Lova Falk talk 18:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

That's what disambiguation pages are for, see John Smith for example.--ukexpat (talk) 18:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I know, this is just an example. But imagine all John Smiths in the world would get their article in Wikipedia (when we remove the notability criterium). Then even disambiguation pages would be way too long, and it would be really difficult to find for instance John Smith the cricketer (there are five of them already)... Lova Falk talk 19:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• To the OPs question: You've answered the question yourself. All notability is at Wikipedia is "information in articles to be accurate and obtained from reliable sources." That's it: If a topic is to be the subject of a stand-alone article, there needs to be enough "information in articles to be accurate and obtained from reliable sources" to build a decent stand-alone article around. Notability means exactly and only that. --Jayron32 18:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

AC/DC receiver design

There's a confrotnation by IP user 86.159.159.194 believing the information provided is reduntant and deleted without noticing the sources, if there a solution to this information.--97.64.214.150 (talk) 17:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the help desk. You should discuss the issue on Talk:AC/DC receiver design. 86.159.159.194 has already initiated the discussion at Talk:AC/DC receiver design#Section on AC and DC.--xanchester (t) 17:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

About the article Best selling music artists of all time

I am a new editor and i would really appreciate your help with that. I wanted to say that in this article some artists who have sold more than 70 millions records which is the lowest's artist of the list sales, are not listed. An example is Lady Gaga ,who according to another wikipedia article Lady Gaga's discography, has sold more than 89 millions record (64.000.000 singles + 25.000.000+ albums) and she is NOT listed..

I would really appreciate your answer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foivos Nix (talk • contribs) 17:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome! You're going to need an independent, published source for that. Once you have a source, go ahead, be bold and edit the page. If you are reverted, discuss the change on the talk page of the article. This process is known as WP:BRD: bold, revert, discuss.--xanchester (t) 17:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Assistance required

I have done pretty much of my homework while preparing for this article (to be moved someday to the original article Goa Medical College), some of it is from offline sources. I need assistance from someone who is interested and would be able to provide additional information. Any advice where on Wikipedia should I look for and how is my writing at present going. ⚕ Dr. ANK (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what the procedure is for making replacement articles in a personal space and then overwriting it in order to keep the appropriate page history. However, what I will say is that the replacement article you have created looks *really* good and my concern on keeping the page history straight is the *only* thing keeping me from suggesting it move now. I only see two places that aren't referenced, the end of the second paragraph in the header and the post 1986 history.Naraht (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

It can be moved without disruption to the histories of both pages, because there is very little overlap in edits. There are just a couple edits to the original article since Drankush started the revised version. Therefore merging both histories should not be a problem, but it takes an admin to do this. If you want me to perform a history merge, please drop me a note on my talk page. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Naraht and Amatulić for your encouraging words. I have also compiled some reference images (dated before 1923) from public libraries and so Im expecting them to be in public domain. I have even planned writing a timeline for the historical series of events. The header is copied same from the original article so its not yet referenced (I will work on it). Im still working on post 1983 and the college library and some staff has promised me to help me in the same (as they say it shouldn't be difficult) and so does the local newspapers. Amatulic, I will definitely contact you once Im done with this article to a acceptable standard. Thanks once again, have a nice day. ⚕ Dr. ANK (｡◕‿◕｡) 20:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Usually when an editor asks for help with a new article, I doubt that it will survive, and am reluctant to help. But this one already looked really good, and is on a clearly notable subject, so I have spent some time making many minor changes, to grammar, punctuation, etc. If these get lost from its edit history I don't think it matters, they are not (or are not intended to be) controversial. Maproom (talk) 20:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Help acquiring an image

I am not sure whether this is the proper place to ask this, but I was hoping to find some help with acquiring an image of filmmaker and actor Cory Edwards. There do not seem to be any free images of him available, but several images of him can be found on his official website [3]. I assume that these images are copyrighted, but I remember reading somewhere that one could request that someone release an image of themselves into the public domain. Edwards always responds to questions in the comment sections of his website and also provides an e-mail address, Cory@futureboyfilms.com. I have corresponded with him through his website in the past and would simply ask him myself, but I have little knowledge of copyright law and little experience with images on Wikipedia. If someone more experienced in these areas could help, I would really appreciate it.

I want to use the image in the Hoodwinked! article, which will be Wikipedia's Featured Article of the Day on Friday, so if an image could be acquired before then, that would be ideal. I'm not sure how long this process usually takes though. --Jpcase (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe that WP:DCM tells you what you would need to ask him. --ColinFine (talk) 00:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Operation New Life

The statement that the 1500+ repatriates returned to Viet Nam were "viet Cong" is totally false. I was the Navy physician responsible for the camp and they were mostly women children and members of the South vietnamese armed forces who decided to return, usually since their families were left behind.

T.C. Farrell MD MS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.221.198 (talk) 22:30, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The reference given for this (the last paragraph of the article) indeed does not identify them as Viet Cong, but just as "refugees", so it would certainly be legitimate to remove that identification from the article. But there is other information in the paragraph which is not in the source referenced, so I am reluctant to edit it as I know nothing about the subject.

If you have a reliable source to reference, you are welcome to edit the article, but personal knowledge is not enough: see WP:V for why not. Otherwise, I suggest that you bring this up at Talk:Operation New Life and see you can work with other editors to improve the article. --ColinFine (talk) 00:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Is the Secure Server down?

I normally log in through the secure server. At present it is going to the unsecured log in. Paul foord (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

On further investigation it looks like it is working differently. Paul foord (talk) 23:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Upload Pic to Scott Antol article

I am trying to upload a pictureto my own article page... Scott Antol ... how do I proceed in doing so? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scotty58 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:Uploading images and WP:Image tutorial. Please notice that you have a conflict of interest in editing that page, so you should be very cautious about doing so - the link I gave advises you how to handle it. But donating a picture would be very welcome: be aware that it is not enough to say "I allow Wikipedia to use this": you have to agree to licence it in a prescribed way, that will allow it to be used for any purpose, with proper attribution. --ColinFine (talk) 00:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)