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March 22

Living person on Wikipedia who doesn't want to reveal their birth name for privacy issues

I have an acquaintance who changed his name many decades ago and he is somewhat of a public figure. Unfortunately for him, his birth name was published in one book, so editors keep adding it to his entry. Are there any privacy rules that can protect my acquaintance? Or because the information is out there, is there no hope? --—Spojrzenie

It's impossible, as they say, to un-ring a bell. If the information is true, it's pretty much impossible to suppress it here. --Orange Mike | Talk 08:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

view large category without pagination?

I read at Wikipedia:Category_intersection that

When categories were initially added to Wikipedia in 2004 there was no mechanism to limit the search result for large categories. Very large categories caused performance problems, and a software change was made to limit the search result to 200 entries at a time. If there are more than 200 entries, users must navigate through multiple pages in order to see all the entries. This page by page navigation mechanism becomes impractical with large categories, as it takes much too long to see the entries at the end of the alphabet.

(emphasis added)

I want to view all of a category's entries on a single page rather than 200 at a time. The above says this is not possible. Is that true? —rybec 01:01, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

If you read it on Wikipedia then it must be true. —Preceding sarcastic comment added by 74.60.29.141 (talk) 01:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Especially if you happen to edit a lot of articles about elephants... :P. But in all serious, the Toolserver should serve your purpose nicely. FallingGravity (talk) 07:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Note that Toolserver is not Wikipedia, so it is simultaneously correct that you cannot see more than 200 at a time in Wikipedia, and that there are ways to see more than 200 at a time.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Vancouver, Washington

how can we provide current ACCURATE and UNBIASED arts information in the Vancouver , Washington article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.226.133 (talk) 02:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

By using Reliable Sources and maintaining a Neutral Point Of View when adding content to relevant articles. Roger (talk) 07:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Broken links (articles) in disambiguation pages?

I'm not very sure what to do when I enounter such problems. Most of the time, the article was never created in the first place. What should I do? (Example: People's Action Party (disambiguation)) Hz. tiang 02:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Usually you don't have to do anything. Redlinks are OK and sometimes encouraged on Wikipedia to tell other editors that this article should exist. Although red links are uaually more prominent in articles and not so much on lists and disamb pages, whether the red links should remain should really be dealt with on an individual basis. Be bold! Obtain concensus when possible and do what you think is right. If someone thinks you are doing something wrong, then it's their responsibility to speak up. Kinkreet^{~♥moshi moshi♥~} 02:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

derogatory statement-demeaning

"A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir".

Please delete the statement from the ghandi wikiquote page as it is demeaning to an entire africa population....Indian better than the SAVAGES or NATIVES of Africa?!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.177.246.184 (talk) 04:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikiquote is a seperate project and not part of Wikipedia. You'll need post your suggestion there. My guess is that they have a "not censored" policy. RudolfRed (talk) 04:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

It is a well known quote and it succinctly illustrates the attitude he had towards Africans at the time. It won't be deleted just because you don't like it. Roger (talk) 07:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Picture upload

I had uploaded a picture Rajeev Karwal.jpg on Rajeev Karwal's Wikipedia page yesterday, today it has been removed. Please state the reason in detail — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayush.datta (talk • contribs) 05:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

It seems that you had uploaded the image to Wikimedia Commons, and it was deleted as a copyright violation. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 05:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Double identity

This is a strange one:
While doing some research for Thai Elephant Orchestra, I discovered from a reliable source (The Scientist magazine)^[1] that a co-founder has another identity.  So, fine... but,I was surprised that this was not mentioned in his article (Dave Soldier), so I started to add that information.  Then I discovered that his other identity also has an article (David Sulzer), which doesn't mention the other identity.  Apparently, he has done a good job keeping his two identities publicly separated, and now I am wondering how this should be handled - especially since this relates to a WP:BLP.   ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)   —   P.s.:   I've just noticed that User: David Sulzer (Special:Contributions/David_Sulzer) is creator of both articles in question - not that it really matters, because both identities certainly seem to meet notability criteria. ~So, unless advised otherwise, I'll do a little cross-pollination between the two (eventually, maybe).  ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 08:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

The articles should be merged if it can be proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are the same person. Two articles about the same subject is a prohibited WP:Content fork. Roger (talk) 08:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

The Dave Soldier official website does explicitly make it clear that Dave Soldier is the stage name of David Sulzer, so there is no (BLP) barrier to merging the articles. In fact he has not "done a good job keeping his two identities publicly separated" - there is no indication that he ever intended to keep his alter ego secret at all. Roger (talk) 08:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm... When I click on his "Website" from the infobox on Dave Soldier, I get a page similar–[identical] to the one you linked, but without the bio or any link to anything resembling a biography → [2]. Anyway, this seems to be something beyond my current ability and/or permissions.[modified:74.60.29.141 (talk) 09:51, 22 March 2013 (UTC)] ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 08:37, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, since I wouldn't be creating anything new, or moving pages, I don't need permissions to merge articles. When done merging, I'd simply put a redirect on top of the [merge from] page -to- the [merge to] page, right? In this instance, which name should be the page to keep? ~Assistance appreciated, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 09:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Merge to the real name David Sulzer. I have asked a BLP "expert" to look into the issue and assist us. Roger (talk) 10:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks!  ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 10:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Ashley cole

You have certain parts of the article that's wrong. Sue cole Ashley's mum was never married to Ron Callander. His brother Matthew surname is cole not Callander. His dad left the family when ashley was one years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.32.178 (talk) 10:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

If you can back up your statements with reliable, verifiable sources, please feel free to edit out the incorrect information. Kinkreet^{~♥moshi moshi♥~} 10:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Also these are the types of issues specifically adressed at the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, please post there in future concerning living people's biographies and information that you deem to be incorrect. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 12:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Renaming an article

Hello,

Yesterday I created a page for a Portguese colonial administrator and governor, Theodorico de Sacadura Botte, who wrote a well known,within its genre, memoir of his life and times in the Portguese colonial empire. However, I mistankenly created the article under the name "Theodorico sacadura botte", which is incorrect, because since it was his name, the first letters should be capitalised. I don't know, though, how to change the name of the article from "Theodorico sacadura botte" to "Theodorico de Sacadura Botte". If somebody could please help me, I'd be very thankful. The page is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodorico_sacadura_botte~

Kind regards, Pedro Alvarado. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YAlvarado (talk • contribs) 11:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

It's done; I've moved the page to Theodorico de Sacadura Botte for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion request

Could you please delete this? i made i mistake here. so please could you please delete it as soon as possible. Thanks. here is the url of the photo i would want to delete thanks. File:Alicia Pagay Festival, Pagay festival streetdance showdown.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheEdwardGomez (talk • contribs) 12:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

That image is on Commons, not Wikipedia, so it need to be handled there. Commons does make it easy to request deletion. First, make sure you are at the Commons page:

File:Alicia Pagay Festival, Pagay festival streetdance showdown.jpg

and look on the left sidebar for "Nominate for deletion"--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

how do you delete a picture permanently? and also it's history. please reply asap. cause im gonna ba in trouble. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheEdwardGomez (talk • contribs) 13:11, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Follow Sphibrick's instructions above. Since the photo is on Wikimedia Commons, not Wikipedia, we can't do a great deal to help you here. Once deleted by a Commons admin, the photo and its history will be permanently removed. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

About the article I wrote

Dear Sir/madam

I just wrote an article about the pinup artist Elias Chatzoudis copied his bio from his personal page elias-design.gr. I have his personal license to do it.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adonis Dalezios (talk • contribs) 13:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

In Wikipedia we don't just copy from other websites; see WP:Plagiarism, among other places. You would need to rewrite the material in your own words, as it says in the advice on your talk page. If the copyright holder wanted to allow some copyrighted material to be used by Wikipedia, the process is given at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

But note that even if permission is granted to use the copyrighted material, in all likelihood it will still be inappropriate for use on Wikipedia - if it comes from his website, it will almost certainly be too promotional in tone.--ukexpat (talk) 14:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Cite error

I did add {{Reflist}} in front of the link, why the references are still not showing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louiseliusama (talk • contribs)

Presuming you are referring to Tongling, it looks like you figured it out. Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners may help. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Clickatell's Wikipedia Page

Hello,

I work for Clickatell's public relations team and I have a concern about our Wikipedia page. There are a few notes at the top of the page that I was wondering if we could get removed. I have copied and pasted them below, with my notes in bold and caps.

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.

This article appears to be written like an advertisement. (October 2011)- WE ARE A COMPANY, NOT TRYING TO LOOK LIKE AN ADVERTISEMENT, HOW DO WE FIX THIS?

This article needs more links to other articles to help integrate it into the encyclopedia. (November 2012)- WE ARE A SMALL COMPANY AND DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF LINKS TO INCORPORATE. I CAN SEND YOU ARTICLES ABOUT CLICKATELL IN THE MEDIA IF IT WOULD HELP?

The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. (February 2013)- WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? This article may be confusing or unclear to readers. (March 2013)- HOW DO YOU SUGGEST WE FIX THAT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.55.148.229 (talk) 16:29, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Due to your inherent conflict of interest the best way you can help to address these problems is to discuss them on the article's talk page, interested editors would then be able to help you. BTW, please don't SHOUT. Roger (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia's interest is to have neutral, non-promotional, well-referenced articles about subjects which are notable. When the subject is a company (or a public figure), these often do not coincide with the interests of the subject. Please read WP:ORG. --ColinFine (talk) 11:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Why there is no number in front of my references? Do I have to add it manually?

I realized for other references, they all have a number in front of it to indicated its position while mine don't have any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louiseliusama (talk • contribs) 18:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You don't have to add them manually. Have you tried reading Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners ? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Documents

Hi Folks: I have been doing quite a bit of editing on the subject of the Japanese Occupation of Korea (1910-1946) and as you might expect much of the experience is a story of documents such as memorandums, treaties and proclamations. I know how to add photos to an article but am not quite sure what to do about documents. Each individual document would be to large to transcribe into the article. I had thought to photocopy the documents and insert them in the article but even that would be prohibitive. I'm thinking that if I could somehow contribute the document to WIKI and then simply notate it in the narrative, curious people could read it if they so chose. For instance, I could cite the Kabo Reforms of 1894 and mention one or two and if someone wanted to read all 25 they would have access. I'm sure I'm not the first person to do this but I can't find an example or find it referenced in the Help area. Thoughts? --Bruce W Sims (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

How to use the documents in an article (and whether they can/should be used at all) depends on the nature of the documents. Have they been published? What is their copyright status? are the most important immediate questions. All sources used to write articles must have been previously published, thus documents such as letters and other private records are disqualified - this is detailed in the verifiability rule. A reader of the article must be able to verify the content by accessing the sources cited in the article. In practical terms that means the source material must be publically accessible somewhere (website, book, news article, periodical, film, audio recording, etc). Documents in a personal collection are not verifiable. The question whether an image of a document should/could be inserted into an article would depend on firstly the copyright status of the document and secondly wether adding such an image enhances the article. Roger (talk) 19:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

How about a couple of examples? In 1904 the Japanese published a list of intended reforms, A London Newspaper published the list in one of its editions. I have a copy of that page. Now I "could" just list out the reforms by typing them in a word document. Another example concerns approximately the same time frame. This list is a proclamation of infractions and crimes that would warrant incarceration, corporal punishment or execution. Once again I could just list the crimes. However, I have a copy of the memo sent to the Secretary of State as furnished by the National Archives. Thoughts? --Bruce W Sims (talk) 18:06, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I think you may be missing the point that Wikipedia does not require editors to provide actual copies of source documents, you merely have to WP:CITE the publication in which the information is available.

In the first example you are working from an article in a newspaper so you cite the newspaper artile (the Cite news template is an easy way to do it).

In the second case we need to know if the (Japanese?) National Archive allows members of the public to access copies of the memo, if that is the case you can cite the memo giving details about it's catalogue number or whatever index system the archive uses. If the fact that you have a copy is an exceptional circumstance and the memo is not normally accessible then you cannot cite it. However government proclamations are by definition always published somewhere, have you tried searching Japanese newspaper archives or libraries?

BTW, have you seen Gabo Reform? It's a short article but unfortunately it's referencing is a bit of a mess. Roger (talk) 18:26, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I am thinking that what I am working to do may be within the purview of the "embedded file" button. Its not so much that I want to validate my information as allow interested people to access the corpus of some accent mentioned tangentially in the article. I have tried searching for keyword "embedded file" but did not come up with anything. Can you instruct how to access information on the use of this option? BTW: If you are asking me if I could expand my editing to encompass the Kabo Reforms of 1894, the short answer is yes...especially since it touches on the larger subject of the Occupation. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruce W Sims (talk • contribs) 18:10, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

The "Embedded file" button is a bit of a misleading name - it's used only to insert images. Unless the image is definitely in the public domain, the rules governing to use of such images are fairly arcane and beyond my knowlege. Hopefully someone who can help will jump in here. Roger (talk) 17:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you that some people who read the Korea under Japanese rule article may want to read for themselves the original words in the newspaper article you mentioned, perhaps reformatted slightly for easier reading on their computer screen.

The standard way to do that is to add a link to the Wikipedia article to some website that hosts those words.

In particular, WikiSource ( http://en.wikisource.org/ ) is a great place to post the original words of historically important documents.

For example, the Fleur-de-lis article on Wikipedia cites a source document, and links to a copy of that source document on WikiSource.

In addition to the words themselves, please tell us exactly where they came from.

Rather than "a London newspaper", could you specify exactly which newspaper, published on exactly which date, and the title of the article those words were in? That would make an excellent reference to include in the Wikipedia article right away, even if the words themselves have not yet been digitized and put on WikiSource or any other website on the Internet. --DavidCary (talk) 15:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hit the nail right on the head. Thanks, Dave; thats what I'll do. Best Wishes.--Bruce W Sims (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Should this be italicized? (video-game related)

Should individual names of DLC (downloadable content) be italicized on the Wikipedia pages of video games? For example (quoted from HERE):

“ On 6 March 2013, it was announced that Xbox Live users will have early access to the Caves & Cliffs map pack. The map pack consists of three new Tomb Raider multiplayer maps, entitled Scavenger Caverns, Cliff Shantytown and Burning Village. ”

Thanks in advance. --WWETrishMickiefan (talk) 19:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd say no; it's like a chapter in a book or a song from an album: just use quotes.--Orange Mike | Talk 00:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

wiki page publishing problem

I recently published a wiki page and I basically work for the company. I got all the info from the company page. I want it to be as is. The page is about the company itself. Help me publish it. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/York Risk Services Group Inc.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeepanandapu (talk • contribs) 20:43, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

The page you created was a blatant copyright violation, because you directly copied it from the company website. Additionally, since you work for the company, you have a conflict of interest. Therefore, I recommend that you do not try to create such a page again. FrigidNinja 21:01, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

On top of that it was written in blatantly promotional language, which is unacceptable in Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 21:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Not surprisingly as it came from the company's website!--ukexpat (talk) 00:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia's interests probably do not coincide with yours. Please read WP:ORG and WP:COI. And WP:OWN. --ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Fu Lei

Hi all, I was just adding pictures to the page Fu Lei, and I have a problem that I need help with. So the picture of Fu Lei and his wife, I wanted to put it on the left side of the page, I know how to move it to the left, but once I do so, it messes up the stuff that's o你the left(like the words don't flow nicely around the picture) Does anyone know how to solve that? thanks in advance ：） Oh and here's the link to the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu_Lei -- C3liuhua (talk | contribs) 22:22, 22 March 2013‎ ‎

Thanks for your contributions. The article looks fine to me. Why do you feel the photos need to be on the left?— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)