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April 28

Matthias Kuhle

Matthias Kuhle died in Nepal ([1]) --85.100.126.27 (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

The article has since been updated. Scarce2 (talk) 09:59, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Lawrence Michael Brown

Hi

I have discovered that there are 2 pages for the same person, namely Lawrence Michael Brown. I created a page entitled "Mick Brown (physicist)", not knowing that there was already one entitled "Lawrence Michael Brown". What to do?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friederich (talk • contribs) 09:29, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

You can have your page re-direct to the other page, or vice versa. Not sure which one should be the main page - proper name or common name. Or you could add your info to the other page and have your page deleted. Wickorama (talk) 09:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Are they actually the same person? There seem a lot of differences between them. - X201 (talk) 09:52, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

It looks as if they could well be the same person (http://www.robinson.cam.ac.uk/fellows/mick-brown et al), and neither page includes all the relevant content from the other, hence the appropriate process would be merging. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Trouble creating site about my academic mentor who has passed away

Hello! I tried to create a page under Robert T. Schimke, M.D. my mentor who passed away last Sep. The system seemed to recognize it as a living person and asked for references. When I added a reference to his obituary one of your team members deleted my entire page citing a need for permission! Can you please help fix this and also point me to how I can make boxes like you see for his friend who also passed away a bit before him shown at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Herzenberg . Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babaknalizadeh (talk • contribs) 17:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

References are required in any Wikipedia article, not just in a biography of a living person, although the rules about BLPs are stricter than other articles. The speedy deletion notice on your talk page does not refer to permissions, but says that you did not provide information on why Dr. Schimke is notable. My advice would be to ask the deleting administrator to move the deleted article either to user space or to draft space, so that you can continue to work on the article, and resubmit it when you have added enough information to indicate that he was notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

On further research, I see that User:Citicat did delete the article as a copyright violation. Since I don't have access to the deleted article, I can guess that you copied an extensive portion of his obituary into the article. In that case, it is unlikely that the article will be restored in user space or draft space, as we take copyright violation very seriously. My advice would be to rewrite the biography in the obituary in your own words. (Making only minor changes would be considered a close paraphrase, which is still copyvio.) My further advice would be, as an inexperienced editor, to create any new articles either in draft space, possibly using the Article Wizard, or in user space, so as to avoid having them speedy-deleted. (However, copyright violations are still subject to speedy deletion in draft space or user space.) Robert McClenon (talk) 17:17, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Sorry to give conflicting information, but according to the deletion log, @Citicat: deleted it under WP:CSD#G12- "Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/september/robert-schimke-obit-091214.html". Whilst adding sources is essential, you must write the text in your own words. You would also need to address the notability issues mentioned above- this requires finding reliable sources about him (newspaper articles, books etc.). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

I just looked at what was deleted. Most of it was pulled from here. You will need to start from scratch and write the article in your own words. -- GB fan 17:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Google finds plenty of pages about him which establishes his notability, you would just need to cite a few of these in the article. And German Wikipedia has this article. I shall try to create a draft article about him, and then invite you to improve it. Maproom (talk) 17:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

I have created a draft at Draft:Robert Schimke. I hope you will help to improve it. Once it has a few references – I plan to add some – it can be converted to an article. Maproom (talk) 17:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Using graphs from a government report as images?

Hello friends,

I have recently created the article Mentally ill people in United States jails and prisons and believe it would benefit from an image. However, I have had difficulty finding images relevant to the topic with the appropriate copyright criteria. One idea I had would be to use graphs from the public reports from the Bureau of Justice Statistics I used in my article. However, I would essentially be screenshotting them from the report and making them into an image, which feels like it should be against the rules. What's the policy surrounding this issue? I appreciate any help and guidance!

Warmest regards,

Magenstat (talk) 18:47, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Magenstat Wikipedia:No_original_research#Original_images may be instructive. You can make your own images, using the report as the source of information. However, if the work is by the federal government as you suggest, then it is not subject to copyright (just make sure they are really the author, and it wasn't some think tank etc). For that situation the only issue would be quality of the image. In either case, be aware of WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV for anything where the numbers are contested, or being spun that we present the information neutrally, and if appropriate present the alternate arguments (per WP:WEIGHT Gaijin42 (talk) 18:53, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Gaijin42 Thank you so much for all your help! Just to make sure--if I explicitly describe the report, its methodologies, and how those methodologies/results differ from other research in the area in the text section accompanying the image, will that constitute a neutral point of view? Magenstat (talk) 19:14, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

You risk running into WP:OR if you do the comparison yourself, so that would need a source that does the comparison for you. But you can certainly describe the report and the method it used, as long as such is sourcable from the report itself and not based on outside experience/expertise. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:18, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Sounds great! Thanks so much for your help! Magenstat (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Please switch my user name

Hello, Could you please switch my user name to N.E. Sawka instead of CGNES. GCNES (talk) 18:52, 28 April 2015 (UTC) Thanks so much so for any trouble this might have caused.

@GCNES:, you need to go to Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple to request a username change. The instructions to do it are at the top of the page. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:54, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

though, as all you have done under the GCNES username is to create your own user page and ask the above question, you might find it easier just to abandon the GCNES name and start a new account. Maproom (talk) 19:37, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

redirect to disambiguation?

I recently created an article on McPherson Park in Greenville, South Carolina, choosing the title McPherson Park (Greenville, South Carolina) because there is a McPherson Square in Washington, D.C., which takes a redirect from "McPherson Park." It seems logical to me to eliminate the redirect and create a disambiguation page. Can I do that myself?--John Foxe (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

@John Foxe: There's more than you could possibly want to know at Wikipedia:Disambiguation, but the short answer is that since there are only two things to disambiguate between, it would be better to put a hatnote at the top of each. If you go to WP:DABLINK, it explains how to use the {{About}} template to do that neatly. Let us know if that's unclear or if there's anything else we can do.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  19:16, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that sensible advice. I've done that. (As you said, there was more at Wikipedia:Disambiguation than I wanted to know, and I couldn't see the proper tree for the forest.)--John Foxe (talk) 19:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)