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February 27

Searching for Words or Phrases

How do I search for a word or phrase? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.58.247.48 (talk) 01:47, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

See Help:Searching and possibly Wiktionary at https://en.wiktionary.org, depending on which information you want. If you still have problems then come back with a more specific question. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:07, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

How do i make a new file

how do i make a new file — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lopotatl123 (talk • contribs) 07:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

@Lopotatl123: If you want to create an article then see Wikipedia:Articles for creation. If you want to upload an image or other file then see Help:Files. Does that answer your question? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:MODERNPLACENAME

According to WP:MODERNPLACENAME, when dealing with a geographical location in a historical context, we should use the name from the relevant time period. Is there a similar policy/guideline etc that deals with how non-geographical names are used in the same situation? Hack (talk) 08:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Have you seen Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Proper names? In general we use the name most commonly used by English speakers. Rojomoke (talk) 10:29, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't really address my question. It just links to the policy I linked. Hack (talk) 12:41, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

For people, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Changed names. I don't know whether there is a general guideline for all types of names. Do you have something specific in mind? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

It's for football season articles where a club or a league has changed names. Was hoping there was something documented. Hack (talk) 13:17, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I know nothing of how we do this in association football articles, but with major US sports we use the contemporary name, not the name used today. See 1920 World Series, where the losing team is referred to both by their official name of "Brooklyn Dodgers" and their nickname of "Brooklyn Robins" (reflecting contemporary use of both terms), but never by today's name of Los Angeles Dodgers. Alternately, see Super Bowl III. It refers to the losers as "Baltimore Colts", only using "Indianapolis" to refer to what was then the future, and the winners are mentioned as being part of the "American Football League", with today's name, "American Football Conference", again being used as a term for future events. Nyttend (talk) 13:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't know a general guideline but for sports teams and leagues I would use the contemporary name with a piped link or redirect to the right article. You didn't specify a football code but I guess it's soccer. Then Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football is the place to ask. Oh, I see you have already discussed it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Competition naming. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:58, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Create a redirect. For example: Girl Guides of America is an early name of the Girl Scouts of the USA and appropriate for use in that context. --  Gadget850 ^talk 14:44, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

How to change a Wikipedia page name

Hello. Could someone instruct me on how to change a page name.

This is the page I would like to change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Extreme_Sport_Challenges_Association

I would like to change the name into the World Youth Organization

Thank you— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonfly009 (talk • contribs) 10:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

You can just use the move link at the page, however you should see Help:Rename and Help:How to move a page pages before you do that. --CiaPan (talk) 10:23, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Note that changing the name to that of a non-existent supposed 'charity' will not affect any decision made as a result of the current AfD discussion. [1] AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Getting hex triplets from images

Is there any way to get the hex triplet of part of an image without doing it yourself? Two years ago, File:Napoleoniceurope.png was modified by changing the color for Norway and two other states, but its use at Franco-Ottoman alliance (find it with a CTRL+F search for "Napoleon came in direct contact") still reflects the old color. Since {{legend}} relies on the hex coding, I'd like to change it from #0070FF to whatever shade of brown it is now, but I don't know how to get the computer to find the current color's hex triplet, and I don't trust myself to guess accurately. Nyttend (talk) 13:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Through his conquests (here, Napoleon's empire at its greatest extent in 1811) Napoleon came in direct contact with the Ottoman Empire.

  French Empire

  Conquered "Rebellious" States

  Conquered "Allied" States

The first result [2] of my first Google search get image color seems to work fine. I dowloaded the image and got the colors shown here. There are also tools which work in browsers without having to download first. Try extension get image color. People at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing may know good tools. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Facebook and List of hooligan firms

I've just reverted a couple of entries over at List of hooligan firms as they were unsourced, and one of the contributors has come back with a source which happens to be Facebook.

I was going to just revert again, as FB is not (usually) a reliable source, but a quick glance shows that many of the firms are supported by facebook pages. Given the nature of the topic - football hooliganism - FB is probably one of the better ways of identifying such firms, and if I revert the recent addition, I'm morally bound to do so to the rest of the entries as well.

Any other opinions? Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Facebook does not pass WP:RS. Mlpearc (open channel) 17:05, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Not always true - as I pointed out above: "Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves". Still, thanks for commenting. Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

The problem here is that you have no idea whether a particular facebook page is self published. Many are published by enemies of the individual or group they claim to represent. Do hooligan firms even have an organization or established leader who can speak authoritatively in the name of the firm?

Related question: Talk:List of hooligan firms#Firms? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Problem in creating an article

I want to create an article on Easton, which is a township in Washington County, New York, USA. Apparently a redirect to Aston prevents me from doing so. I don't know what to do. deisenbe (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sufficiently familiar with how NY uses townships, but are they not equivalent to towns there? Is this what you're looking for: Easton, New York? Rwessel (talk) 19:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

No, in this context in the US, a Township is a governmental sub-unit of a County that that has jurisdiction over areas that are outside of municipal boundaries/jurisdiction. Township_(United_States)#Civil_townships -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they *call* townships "towns" in NY state. Rwessel (talk) 22:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

And what is the exact title of the redirect you mention? Easton is not a redirect, and no redirects to Aston have "Easton" in the name. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

But in general, whenever somebody wants to create an article but is worried about existing similarly named articles or redirects, my advice is to create the article in Draft space and not worry about the name. When you eventually submit the draft for review and it is accepted, the accepting reviewer will worry about moving it to the right place and sorting out disambiguations and redirects. See Articles for creation --ColinFine (talk) 10:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)