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January 5

Changing Pictures

Hi there

After going quietly mad looking through all the options and getting nowhere, I am urgently needing to change the out of date logo's on the below pages.

The Breeze (radio network)

Fire Radio

I am the Marketing Manager at Celador Radio who owns the stations but can't seem to access the pages at all and it is important we update these. Is there any way some way can do this quickly?

Thanks so much. Charlotte — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celadorradio (talk • contribs) 10:56, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

There are two steps involved. If you use the recommended method, the first is to upload a copy of the current logo to Wikimedia Commons, possibly by using the "upload wizard" here . This will require you to provide a suitable copyright release in the name of the company. (This is something I cannot advise on, it seems to me to require an inordinate amount of bureaucracy. Maybe you, or another employee, can manage the bureaucracy – many people do.) The second step is much simpler - you go to the article The Breeze (radio network), click the "Edit" tab near the top centre, and on line 4 where it says " | image = [[File:The Breeze logo.PNG|250px]]", you replace "The Breeze logo.PNG" by whatever name you assigned to the image you uploaded, and then click the "Save Page" button near the bottom of the edit page. Maproom (talk) 11:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@Maproom: There is no copyright release needed. The logos can be uploaded here and used under a claim of fair use. Dismas|^(talk) 11:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Right. Most organizations do not want to release their logo with a free license. Wikipedia's own logo is also copyrighted. http://www.fireradio.co.uk/terms-and-conditions/ says: "The names, images and logos identifying Fire Radio, Celador Radio Limited, or third parties and their products and services are subject to copyright, design rights and trade marks of Celador Radio Limited,and/or third parties used under license. Nothing contained in these terms shall be construed as conferring by implication, estoppel or otherwise any licence or right to use any trademark, patent, design right or copyright of the Celador Radio Limited."

@Celadorradio: Do you really have permission from your employer to release the logos with the license at commons:File:THE BREEZE tune in feel good.jpg and commons:File:Fire Logo.JPG? It allows others, for example unrelated radio stations, to use the logos for any purpose as long as they give attribution and mention the license. If you don't have permission then you can request deletion, for example by placing {{Copyvio|Non-free logo. Was uploaded with incorrect license.}} on the file pages. If they are deleted from Commons then they can still be added to the articles as fair use without losing the copyright, as said by Dismas. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! This is very confusing - should be easy to upload an image! How do I do the (If you don't have permission then you can request deletion, for example by placing {{Copyvio|Non-free logo. Was uploaded with incorrect license.}} on the file pages) you suggest? I have no idea! Very much a Wiki newbie!

(edit conflict) @Celadorradio: Click the link to the file page commons:File:THE BREEZE tune in feel good.jpg. Click the "Edit" tab at top of the page. Copy-paste the exact code {{Copyvio|Non-free logo. Was uploaded with incorrect license.}} as displayed here (not when you edit the section) to the top of the edit box. Write "request deletion as invalid license" in the "Edit summary" field. Click "Save page". Repeat for commons:File:Fire Logo.JPG. I could do it myself but it probably has more weight when it comes from the uploader. I don't have the ability to delete Commons files by myself. The complications in file uploading are mainly because we take copyright seriously. If the images are deleted at Commons then I can upload them here at the English Wikipedia with a fair use claim. Your account isn't able to do that before it becomes autoconfirmed so you would normally have to use Wikipedia:Files for upload. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

All done ..... I think! Fingers crossed I haven't crashed the entire Wikipedia page :) Lol! Thanks so much for your help and if I need to do anything else let me know. Knowing you guys are all on hand makes it much more reassuring making changes in future! Thanks again I appreciate your help protecting our brand :) Happy New Year! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.250.90 (talk) 13:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

You did everything right. The files are now listed in commons:Category:Copyright violations where a Commons administrator will see them. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Both files are gone now on Commons, and could be uploaded under "fair use" to en-Wiki only. GermanJoe (talk) 17:00, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Note though that it is not "fair use" as that term is understood in copyright law, but rather pursuant to Wikipedia's non-free content criteria which are more strict than fair use.--ukexpat (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

My apologies to Charlotte for the incorrect advice I gave. I am glad that things have been sorted out. Maproom (talk) 17:27, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

I have uploaded File:The Breeze logo.jpg and File:Fire Radio logo.jpg to the English Wikipedia as fair use, and added them to The Breeze (radio network) and Fire Radio. Fair use should have low resolution so I reduced the resolution of The Breeze logo.jpg before upload. @Celadorradio: I see The Breeze (radio network) previously displayed File:The Breeze logo.PNG which is still used in many articles listed at the bottom of that page such as The Breeze (Andover). Should they all change to the new file? Fire Radio previously displayed File:Fireradio.PNG. Is that obsolete and can be deleted? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:49, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Transclusion help

Someone sent {{Link section}} and {{Sectionlink}} to TFD a while back, and I've just closed both discussions as "delete". Of course, I don't want to leave holes in articles, so I attempted to orphan both templates before deleting them, but WhatLinksHere has confused me. In general, when Template A is transcluded on Template B, and Template B is transcluded on Article C, WhatLinksHere will say that Template A is also transcluded on Article C; for an example, Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Navbox shows tons of pages transcluding {{navbox}}, even though it's a metatemplate that never gets used directly. Here, I learn that Link section is transcluded on Sectionlink, but Sectionlink is transcluded on lots of additional pages that don't appear for Link section. How can this be possible? I'm going to be on the road for most of today; if someone could orphan these templates, I'd really appreciate it. Feel free to tag them with {{db-xfd}} when you've succeeded. Nyttend (talk) 13:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Template B can be processed differently on its template page and in an article using it. If Article C processes Template B and never reaches Template A in that process then C does not transclude A, and WhatLinksHere for A will not include C. Template:Sectionlink has the code <noinclude>{{Documentation}}</noinclude>. That means {{Documentation}} will only be transluded on the template page and not on pages using the template (see WP:NOINCLUDE). {{Link section}} is transluded on Template:Sectionlink via {{Documentation}} which causes Template:Sectionlink/doc to be transcluded. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

A search for insource:/\{\{sectionlink/i [1] shows 133 uses. --  Gadget850 ^talk 20:56, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Reference for Hungarian composer

Dear All,

we are the management of Máté Bella. He is a living Hungarian composer and we would like to make the wikipage of Máté. There are asked some references about the composer. Is it possible to put Hungarian reference on the page (such as article) or we have to have article from any English newspaper.

If any other reference is accepted pls let us know.

Thank you for your help.

Brgds, Nikolett — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.6.65.224 (talk) 14:02, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I think it might be better to translate the existing Hungarian wikipedia version of the article about this composer ([2]). See Wikipedia:Translation#How_to_translate for specific instructions on how to go about doing this. CaptRik (talk) 14:50, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Unless I misunderstood the OP, the question was about references. It appears that the Hungarian article has no in-line citations to reliable sources. The answer to the question which I believe the OP was asking is that although English sources are preferred, non-English ones are acceptable. For more detail see WP:NONENG. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:17, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

If you are the management of the subject, you do also need to read Wikipedia's guidance on conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:18, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

ADDITION TO WIKIPEDIA PAGE

IS IT POSSIBLE TO ASK THAT AN ARTICLE PUBLISHED IN IRISH EDITION OF SUNDAY TIMES 1/5/15 BY KEVIN MYERS BE ADDED TO HIS WIKIPEDIA PAGE. " ITS TIME TO RETHINK THE AGE-OLD PHILOSOPHY OF PROLONGING OLD AGE " ??? THANK YOU, Ericcobrien (talk) 14:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

You will have more luck on the talk page of the article. Do remember to turn your caps lock off when you write there. Britmax (talk) 14:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

But in my view the answer is No, not until somebody unconnected with him writes a published article which says that he had this article published. Wikipedia is almost entirely based on what other people have said about subjects. --ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

how can i message a email?

is it possilbe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kastloks (talk • contribs) 17:02, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Could you expand on that please, it makes it easier for people who are trying to help you. At a guess, is this WP:EMAIL what you want? - X201 (talk) 17:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

How to provide references and avoid deletion

Hi, Artur Zurawski page is up for deletion. How to avoid that. His is a genuine page, request your help here. He is a known person in India and Poland. You help will be highly appreciated. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.58.162.7 (talk) 17:43, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

The article in question is Artur Zurawski. I suggest that you do a Google search on his name and see what reliable sources you get for him. Also, any letters appended to names, such as DOP, should be explained. The question is not whether his is a genuine page, but whether he passes Wikipedia's standards of notability. Do a Google search for reliable mentions of him. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Moved, evidently at originator's request, to draft space at Draft:Artur Zurawski. Still a good idea to do a Google search. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:15, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

How do I continue to edit my sandbox page?

I created a page with my bio. First couple of words:"Lipiansky, Eduardo (Ed)". Did a show preview and saved. I want to add a couple more lines of information; how do I do that? Where is my sandbox page? Thank you. Ed Lipiansky- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.202.8.1 (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Ed. I can't find any such page. This IP address hasn't edited such a page: were you logged into an account when you did it? I suspect that you somehow failed to save the page: I'm sorry. However, before trying again, please read WP:autobiography for why you are strongly discouraged from writing an article about yourself in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 19:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Changing project for large number of pages

The WikiProject Motorcycling would like to move many articles (probably more than 1,000) to WikiProject Motorcycle racing. Is there a tool that could assist with this, rather than editing all the talk pages by hand? — Brianhe (talk) 19:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Try either WP:BOTREQ or WP:AWB/TA - X201 (talk) 20:04, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Conflicting information

I've found conflicting information in the article Tintin in Tibet: it claims Hergé went to see psychiatrist Franz Riklin, but the wikipedia article about Riklin mentions he died twenty years before! The claim in the article is however backed up by five references. What would be the appropriate way to point this out, and is there a specific infobox for cases like this one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackEagle17 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@BlackEagle17: Usually the article talkpage is the best place for such concerns (at least for actively maintained articles). But I fixed the link already (to a redlink for now), this book: [3] mentions 2 Franz Riklins, father and son, with the son living from 1909-1969 and also active in analytical psychology. The article must refer to the son, as the father was already dead by this time. GermanJoe (talk) 20:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Page Submission

Hi,

I submitted our company page for Fora Financial in my user sandbox. When will this be approved and a live business page? I want to make sure I submitted this in the right spot?

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElissaF (talk • contribs) 20:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@ElissaF: User:ElissaF/sandbox has not been submitted. Click "Submit your draft for review!" in the box at top and then click the "Save page" button. But first made inline references to show which information is referenced where. See Help:Referencing for beginners. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, ElissaF. I fear from your language that you may have a misapprehension about Wikipedia. We do not have "business pages": we have encyclopaedia articles, which summarise in neutral language what writers unconnected with the subject have written about the subject and published in reliable places. Every single piece of information should be referenced to a reliable published source; and apart from uncontroversial factual data like dates and locations, it should all be drawn from independent sources. Clearly, some information in your draft can be - and should be - referenced to the sources you have included; but most of the content is not so referenced, and should not be in an article unless it can be referenced. --ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Please wait before creating a page about a company or organization.
Since you have a close connection to the company or organization, you have a conflict of interest. Please read the FAQ first. If you still think your article is appropriate, you can submit it to Articles for creation. Just click this link and follow the instructions. --  Gadget850 ^talk 10:23, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Myverick Garcia should have a page just like her successor.

Myverick Garcia should have a page just like her successor. similar backgrounds and history. Bangladeshi Miss Mississippi has a page and Myverick does not. They both grew up in Hattirsburg Mississippi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.21.181.223 (talk) 22:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

If you create a registered account, you will be able to use the Article Wizard to create an article in draft space and then request its review. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. The criterion for Wikipedia having an article is not about background and history. It is solely about whether enough information has been published about the subject in reliable sources (such as major newspapers) to provide the basis for an article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Want to upload an image to an article

Hi There,

I wanted to insert an image into an article but I'm having a fair bit of trouble how do I upload the file to insert?

The article I wanted to insert the image into is:

The Crystal Set

The link to the image is:

http://www.volume-on-line.com/Crystal_Set_Image/Crystal_Set.jpg

The caption is to read.

The Crystal Set. Russell Kilby, Luke Blackburn, Phil Maher, Tim Seckhold

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karl Blake (talk • contribs) 23:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Our software is set up so that image cannot be displayed unless they're already uploaded to our servers; you do this by going to Special:Upload and following the directions. There are copyright issues that also need to be considered; the picture needs to be released under what Wikipedia calls a "free license", and unless you personally pressed the shutter, we need evidence that the person who took the picture wants it to have this "free license". I can give more details if you wish. Nyttend (talk) 01:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Changes to the PACNET page

Hi There

I'm requesting changes to the PACNET page Pacnet following the acquisition of Pacnet by Telstra announced on December 23, 2014.

Telstra's acquisition of Pacnet includes interests in its China joint venture, PBS, licensed to operate a domestic Internet Protocol Virtual Private Network and provide data centre services in most major provinces in China.

http://www.telstra.com.au/aboutus/media/media-releases/telstra-acquires-asian-telecommunications-and-service-provider-pacnet.xml

Lgb333 (talk) 23:57, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for the information. If you have any further information you wish to contribute on Pacnet you may edit the article yourself, quoting relevant references, or post a request to the article's talk page: Noyster (talk), 11:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)