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suppressed industry article

I have been in the grocery trading business (otherwise known as the grocery diverting business or just the diverting business) for 28 years. I published an article outlining this industry as it in the tens of billions and the information I believe to be intrinsically beneficial in a democratic society. My industry is not favored by large multinational food corporations such as Kellogg and Kraft General Foods as we trade on their inefficient pricing and, thus, their profits. Clearly they have had the means to wipe my writing off Wikipedia which they did under an entry simply entitled 'grocery trading' several years ago. I am a small player in a big pond. I am a David battling many Goliaths. I am hoping at this point my information can stick. I am an expert on it and would welcome fair criticism or debate.

ideas?

Mike Rabb— Preceding unsigned comment added by Msr63 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 27 July 2015‎ (UTC)

There have been three former articles here titled grocery trading. None of them had any reliable sourcing. Two of them were blatant repetitions of copyrighted material from another site. All of them had the same crusading, partisan tone as your statement above (which, by the way, falsely insults editors of this project). If this is a multi-billion-dollar business, then an article could be written by somebody without your blatant ax to grind, drawing solely on neutral, third-party sources. Wikipedia is not here to promote your cause, however noble you perceive it to be.--Orange Mike | Talk 00:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Mike. To reiterate what Orangemike has already said to you: because Wikipedia is so popular, many people have a wrong idea that it is a way of getting a message out to the world: it is not, and attempts to do so tend to be fiercely resisted. It makes no difference whether the message is a commercial one or political, religious, moral, humanitarian, or anything else: that is not what Wikipedia is for, and not what it may be used for. Wikipedia is restricted to summarising what independent commentators have already said about a subject. If several independent commentators, with no connection to any grocery trading business, have written substantial amounts about the subject and had them published in reliable places (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers), then there may be an article in Wikipedia about it. It should be written in a neutral tone, based almost entirely on what these indepedent sources have said (and including any criticisms or alternative views that may have been published). As an advocate, you should probably not be writing it, though of course your suggestions, backed up by published independent sources, would be welcomed. If you can find such sources, you are welcome to request an article at Requested articles; or if after reading COI and the links Orangemike gave, you think you can write a suitable article yourself, you could have a go using the Article wizard. But if such sources do not exist, then it will be impossible at present to write an acceptable article, and it is not worth anybody's time and effort to try.

I'm only guessing what the topic of your article is (searches for "grocery diversion" seem mostly to point to a certain scam) but I'm guessing it's the same thing reported in the UK as "intercepted food". --ColinFine (talk) 09:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Previous discussions can be seen at User talk:Mscott76#Proposed deletion of Grocery trading and User talk:Acmecar#Grocery trading. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I sympathise with the OP (and I disagree with ColinFine, or Google is giving me a different set of results). I believe that this topic is worthy of an article. But it will take someone less hot-headed than the OP to write it without unacceptable bias. Maybe me too – I don't see Kellogg's and Kraft's pricing policies as inefficient, but as a deliberate scheme to scam take advantage of their customers. Maproom (talk) 10:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Neil Tyson

I am having a terrible time even signing in to wikipedia. I am only trying to help you correct information on Neil Tyson. In the second paragraph where it talks about the year of his masters degree at a Texas University, it says both 1983 and 1989. Which is it? Please correct by removing theincorrect information.

I too enjoy wikipedia, facts, statistics and would enjoy contributing to a great public service by making it even more accurate.

Thank you, Ralph J Rode Jr aka Ralph Rode aka Ralph Rode

Can I use my real name or do I have to use a fictitious name to sign up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.27.186.83 (talk) 00:20, 27 July 2015‎ (UTC)

You can use most any name you like. See WP:USERNAME for those that would be frowned upon. Some people use their legal names, some a "fictitious" name as you call it, and some a combination of both. Dismas|^(talk) 00:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

As for Neil deGrasse Tyson, he has two Master's degrees. Re-read the paragraph and the biographical info in the first section of the article. He earned a Master's from UT Austin in 1983 and then another at Columbia in 1989. Dismas|^(talk) 00:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

You can request an account at WP:ACC Supdiop (Talk🔹Contribs) 00:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

LIST OF GANGS AND THEIR LOCATIONS IN EACH STATE OF THE USA.

I have been searching this topic for about 2 weeks now. I cannot find any answers. Please help me! As creaters of Wikipedia, I know you can find this information out for me. I have a tramatic brain injury and I have a very hard time searching the internet. Please bring this information to Wikipedia so I can use it for my benefit. Thank you. FeedMyCuriosity — Preceding unsigned comment added by FeedMyCuriosity (talk • contribs) 01:00, 27 July 2015‎ (UTC)

Hello @FeedMyCuriosity:. You will probably have better luck at the reference desk WP:RD. This page is for how to use or edit Wikipedia, not content. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:57, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@FeedMyCuriosity: We do have an article called List of gangs in the United States (as well as List of criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates (in my opinion a bit of an indiscriminate list). Neither list entries by U.S. state. I do think the former might be improved if location was added (where clear delineation by state was possible). Wikipedia only contains topics, and levels of detail within topics, where some volunteer interested enough has decided to do the work to add the information. Hopefully this list is helpful to you. If you are very set on finding out where any particular gang operates from, you should click on its link in the list article. Most of the specific article linked from the list seem to provide location information. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk Pages with very little traffic

Are there any alternative to posting on an article's Talk Page, when that Talk Page has very little traffic? In other words, due to little (or no) traffic, there are no replies to posted questions, suggestions, etc. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

It very much depends on the circumstances. Some of these might be relevant or quite inapt depending on what the situation is but a few possibilities: skipping the talk page and posting instead to the talk page of a relevant Wikiproject; posting to the talk page and then posting to a wikiproject pointing to the talk page; looking at the article's history for its major contributors, checking if they're active and if so, pinging them to the talk page post or posting directly to their user talk page(s); posting to the article's talk page coupled with a {{help me}} request; if it's an issue between you and one other user, seeking a third opinion or even starting a request for comment; and, of course, asking for an opinion here or at another help page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. All feasible possibilities. This is the post in question: Template_talk:Infobox SCOTUS case#Question about the numerical court decision. After I posted my question, I noticed that that Talk Page hasn't been edited since 2013. There was perhaps one edit in all of 2014. With this particular case, what's the best bet? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro - I think Talk:Supreme Court of the United States would be a reasonable place. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I will try that. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I tried it. It worked. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Adding anyone to Wikipedia....

Can any person be added to Wikipedia or do they have to be a public figure? How do you add someone to Wikipedia? 2601:586:C403:907E:F072:7A7C:C39A:44A0 (talk) 04:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Any subject for an article must have been the subject of significant coverage in reliably published third party sources. Wikipedia is not a place for posting resumes or a general webhost for your personal information. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

As for the process, you can use the WP:AFC process. Or you can suggest that someone else create the article at WP:RA. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:43, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

revisions made in my name that were not made

I have never made any revisions, nor tried to edit any information on this site yet I was surprised to see " Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Fergie Olver, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --Davejohnsan (talk) 02:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)".

Have I been hacked, your site misrepresenting my inquiries or a miscommunication in computers? Please help remedy this or confirm this was a 'hack', post haste.

-- The comment above was added on 27 July 2015‎ by 99.249.186.42 (talk)

I notice your signature is not linked. Could you sign the post with four tildes (4 x ~) so we can find the account you are using please? Britmax (talk) 08:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Their signature is linked because they're editing from an IP address. The signature you're looking at, Britmax, is the signature of the user that put the warning on the IP's talk page back in 2011. Dismas|^(talk) 08:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

No changes were made 'in your name' as you do not use any name here. The changes were made as an anonymnous user, connecting to Wikipedia from the same IP address – see the contributions log: Special:Contributions/99.249.186.42. So you see a comment, which has been added after someone else's inappropriate edits.
I suggest you to create your own account and work under your own (nick)name to avoid such coincidence in the future. --CiaPan (talk) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@99.249.186.42: The warning that you see there was put there back in 2011. At that time, someone else was using the IP address that you are currently using. IP addresses often change from day to day and sometimes from hour to hour. There was no hacking involved. If you'd like to avoid unintended warnings, you should consider creating an account here. See Wikipedia:Why create an account?. Dismas|^(talk) 08:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Many unregistered editors, especially inexperienced ones (and most unregistered editors are inexperienced), don't understand that IP addresses change. This question has been asked before, in which an unregistered editor has wondered whether their account (which they don't have) has been hacked. As previous editors have said, there are many advantages to creating an account. Contrary to popular belief, it provides better privacy than using an IP address, as well as better security and various privileges. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:27, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Tool for fixing malformed wikilinks

Is there a tool that can quickly convert multiple instances of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_title Article title] to proper wikilinks? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind - I got help at VPT. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:05, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

my page has been deleted when it shouldn't have

hi, my wiki page has been deleted due to a copyright infringment however this was not the case and I need it restored. The text was from a biography from our own website but there is also a website which has copied our biography that I cited in the references. Now somebody on here did a speedy deletion on our page even though the biography is clearly ours as we have it on our website but we allowed the other business to use it to promote us. When i try and restore this it doens't let me and shows a blank page rather than the original content. How do I get his back? I don't even know how to retype the correct format! Please see our website, http://barriewentzell.com/biography/ and their website https://www.snapgalleries.com/photographers/barrie-wentzell/

It's just because people write articles on Barrie! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrsbolton (talk • contribs) 12:00, 27 July 2015‎ (UTC)

Firstly, the Wikipedia page is not "your page", it is our page
Secondly, it will not be restored because at the bottom of the web page you refer to it clearly states:- © 2015 Barrie Wentzell Photography, All Rights Reserved.
Even if you released the information under a free-use license, the tone of that web-page is not the neutral point of view that our articles require.
Please understand we are not here to promote you/your client, only reflect what reliable, third party sources have said about him. Can I also suggest you read and follow our guidance on conflict of interest - Arjayay (talk) 12:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Mrsbolton: Agreeing with the above, the underlying reason, even if you are the copyright owner, that you cannot just post that content without violating copyright is that Wikipedia's content (with some exceptions not germane here) bears a highly-free copyright license, that allows its readers to take content they find here, modify it and re-use it, even for commercial purposes, with the only requirement being that they give attribution to the source. An owner of copyrighted material, thus, cannot give us a one-time license for use; they cannot say "I own the copyright and I want to use it and I give my permission for use on Wikipedia" while retaining non-free ownership of the material. Instead, the owner has to release their non-free copyright ownership to the world, under a compatibly-free copyright license, in order for it to be used here. That has to be done in a verifiable manner. Instructions on releasing copyrighted material are set forth at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. However, as Arjayay indicates, even if you went through the release process, the content would still need rewriting. By the way, this site is called Wikipedia, not wiki. A wiki is any website using wiki software; there are thousands of them.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Uploading photos to wikimedia

Good afternoon,

I am from Lithuania State Department of Tourism under the Ministry of Economy. We want to upload pictures from our gallery to Wikipedia catalogs, that all tourists could find our country easier, but we are not sure how to do it properly. We have uploaded more than 100 pictures, but all has been nominated for deletion since 27 July 2015..

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JonGau&oldid=166892105

Please, check the link with all the photos we are trying to upload. All rights of the pictures belong to State Department of Tourism under the Ministry of Economy. What licence we should choose?

Looking forward hearing from you asap in my messages. Thank you.

Regards Eglė

JonGau (talk) 12:12, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Please follow the process described at WP:Donating copyright materials to communicate your release of copyright. Note, also, that to be acceptable, the release must be for all purpose, even commercial reuse, and not limited solely to use on Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 13:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@JonGau: Please post to commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by JonGau. You can only upload images to Commons if they can be released with a license allowed by Commons. There is no allowed license compatible with "All rights of the pictures belong to State Department of Tourism under the Ministry of Economy" or the terms at http://www.lithuania.travel/en-gb/photography-usage-terms/17333. commons:Commons:Licensing shows some of the allowed licenses. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Password issues

Hey guys, do you know if the e-mail password retrieval is malfunctioning? I've forgotten/lost the password for my alternate account User:Tokyogirl79LVA and I've requested the password several times, even going so far as to try to e-mail Wikipedia from the account I believed I signed up with, only to get no response. Now that I've requested the password be reset there's no way I could use the old password even if I remembered it. I'm going to try e-mailing them from the account I used to open up this request, but I do find this concerning since I really, really don't want to have to open up a third account and abandon this one if it ends up that I can't use the one I've been editing under. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• I'm not sure if this is because of some sort of filter with my e-mail account here or not. I don't think that it is, but I'll try testing it with a hotmail account. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:43, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
• Nope, I can receive from Hotmail so I don't know why it's not working with a Wikipedia e-mail. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Tokyogirl79: Is the recovery email provider Yahoo by any chance? NQ-Alt (talk) 12:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• No - I think I may have found out what was wrong. I think that I used a different e-mail for some reason. I tried creating a new account with my work email to make sure and ended up accidentally creating a new account. So... now the question is how do I cancel that account so I can update my e-mail address for the LVA account to my LVA e-mail. Tokyogirl79LVA2 (talk) 12:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• Actually I may just switch the e-mails around, I think, and then redirect that account to the main LVA account, if that'd be easier. Tokyogirl79LVA2 (talk) 12:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
• Whoops, was still in that account. No wonder the newbies get so confused with all of this stuff! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you're up to now! But I'll note in passing that asking for a password reset creates a temporary password but does not invalidate the original password. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• I've figured it out now (hence this account responding) password-wise, so I've gotten the account restored. I didn't mean to create the new account, so I've just redirected it to this user page. Basically what happened was that for whatever reason my password didn't get me into Wikipedia (I'd stored it in my browser) and I thought that I'd signed up with my LVA e-mail. Apparently I didn't (which surprised me), but I did find the e-mail address I'd signed up with and got everything straightened out. I didn't think that I could create another account with the same e-mail address, so I tried that to see if it'd come up with an error message. That's how the other account came about. Since I can't delete the new account I'm going to just redirect them to the main page at User:Tokyogirl79LVA and make a note of it on my user pages that it was opened in error. Hopefully that'll keep my screw ups to a minimum? I have new sympathy now for users that do forget their passwords, I must say. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Special:PasswordReset works for me. For privacy reasons it is not revealed whether an entered email address belongs to an account. Try checking alternative email accounts and any spam folders or settings in your mail software or web interface of your mail provider. The old password continues to work if the new is not used, and the new expires in 7 days if it's not used. I have sent a test mail (just saying "This is a test mail") to Tokyogirl79LVA. I checked "Email me a copy of my message" and received the copy within a second. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Toronto

Toronto has more people than you list over 4 million please fix don’t be ignorant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.161.96 (talk • contribs)

If you want a volunteer to do you a favor, calling them names is unlikely to encourage anyone to spend their time on your request. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I would add that the right place to discuss changes to an article is on its talk page (in this case, Talk:Toronto, I think), and please cite a reliable source for your claim. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 15:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Please clarify which part of which article you want changed. Toronto mentions both 2,615,060 in the city and 5,583,064 in the metropolitan area, in 2011. Both the lead text and infobox has both numbers. If you claim the city itself has more than 4 million then what is your source? The official website [1] currently says 2.8 million. I guess you just don't know the difference between a city and metropolitan area (who did you call ignorant?). PrimeHunter (talk) 16:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

old and outdated info

Hello,

I am the IT support for Los Angeles University and as part of my work I found an articel about an old university that is not ours from the year 2009 claiming non accreditation, We were founded in January 2014 and have all the governmental and educational certificates as required by law.

Please remove our university name from this article : List of unaccredited institutions of higher education#L

Best regards,

Adam Erlich,

Los-Angeles University. [e-mail address redacted]

Link to avoid mobile view in the provided link above. - X201 (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I note you state "We were founded in January 2014" but strangely, your website includes a testimonial from a "James Hur - Systems Administrator" who states

"I’m a very different person to who I was three years ago when I started this journey" so is your 2014 date incorrect, or your testimonial?

I also note you are claiming accreditation from The Board of On-line Universities Accreditation (BOUA) and the World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) both of which appear in our List of unrecognized higher education accreditation organizations - Arjayay (talk) 15:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

removing or replacing an outdated reference

Sail and Life Training Society

Hello

We noticed that this article has a reference [1] to the financial statements as at Dec.31, 2012. We would like to see that reference removed but no one who works here now seems to know how to do that. Could you tell me the process, or take action yourself on this issue?

If the reference cannot be removed, then can we replace it with the financial statements as at Dec.31, 2014? Our preference is simply to remove the reference all together (our financial statements are posted to our website in February of each year prior to our AGM.)

Thank you.

Glynis Gittens, Reservations Assistant S.A.L.T.S. Sail and Life Training Society

184.69.103.234 (talk)

You have a conflict of interest and should generally not be editing the article directly. Go to the article's talk page and post a request to update along with a reliably published source that validates the new claim .-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Explaining awards and accomplishments without being "promotional"

My article, Schuyler Moore, keeps constantly being deleted for being too promotional and I am very frustrated. The areas were quoted as promotional do not seem so to me, because they are all about his accomplishments and awards he has received for his law work, all fact checked and cited by approved publications. Can somebody help me understand why this information is deemed promotional? Callied (talk) 17:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Callied: The first piece of advice is to use the WP:AFC process for your draft work rather than creating the article in "live" space. Content in draft space is given a little more leeway to correct mistakes. The second is to include not only the fluffy happy good stuff but to cover the content where the subject is criticized . The third is to determine whether or not you have a conflict of interest which is clouding your judgement . (and if you happen to work in the PR/Marketing field, your ear is probably tone deaf to what real speak sounds like compared to promo speak.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Callied. I'm unable to see deleted articles, so I can't comment on specifics. But are there any words which tell the reader how to regard something or somebody (eg 'influential', 'ground-breaking', 'innovative')? Are there any evaluative words, any conclusions, any opinions? None of these ever belong in a Wikipedia article, unless directly quoting from a (cited) independent published source - and this needs to be truly independent, not regurgitating a press release or interview. Are there any empty marketing words like "solution" for "product" or "step-change" for "not the same model as last year"? A look at Peacock words may help. --ColinFine (talk) 21:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

ColinFine, TheRedPenOfDoom, thanks for the tips. I may leave a message on your talk pages if the deletion happens again, after I have read and taken into consideration those tips/articles. Callied (talk) 22:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Page Title Edit

I've tried a few times to slightly alter the title to a page using the directions I found on another wiki how to page, but it doesnt seem to work every time I try it. All I have to do is write {{DISPLAYTITLE:Desired Title}} anywhere in the edit box right? if someone could help me out I'd really appreciate it.

Steezebeeze (talk) 18:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC) Steezebeeze

Hello @Steezebeeze:. the answer to your question is that you dont edit the title of the page, you WP:MOVE the page to the correct title. However, I would let you know that you should not move anything to all caps title (unless it is an acronym) because that is in violation of our policies about article names. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've added <nowiki></nowiki> tags around your code so it doesn't try to execute it.

I'm also a bit confused by this. Based on a couple of quick tests it seems like this code only works in non-article namespaces or something strange is going on. Anyway, changing article's displayed titles is usually achieved by {{Italic title}} or {{lowercase title}}. Some infoboxes affect the title automatically. But you seem to want to change the title of Good Worldwide to "GOOD Worldwide". I don't think this is necessary. I think we usually don't follow company stylizations in titles (although I could be wrong). The title is fine as it is. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 18:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Steezebeeze - Page titles are changed by moving the page, but only Autoconfirmed users can do that, and your account is both too new, and has insufficient edits. The official answer is that you should apply at Wikipedia:Requested moves but that has a considerable back-log. If you explain here which page you want retitling, what you want it retitling to, and why, I am sure someone will move it for you - provided it complies with the naming conventions at Wikipedia:Article titles .- Arjayay (talk) 18:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

He's not asking about moving a page; he's asking about the DISPLAYTITLE magic word. @Steezebeeze: This only works for very limited cases - the rule of thumb is that all the text and punctuation has to remain identical (except that the first letter of the first word can be decapitalized), with only italics, boldface, and so on changing. Full documentation is at WP:DISPLAYTITLE. —Cryptic 20:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

But he is probably only asking about DISPLAYTITLE because he doesn't know that the normal solution would be to move the article from Good Worldwide to "GOOD Worldwide". See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks#General rules for the relevant guideline. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Charles Darrow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darrow#cite_ref-7

I changed the date of death from Aug. 29 to Aug. 28 after finding an archived obituary from the NY Times. The obituary was dated Aug. 29, 1967, and it stated that Darrow died "yesterday."

The link to the obit is https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.obituaries/2qCgGWZ1jLE. I entered the link between the <ref></ref> but the error message is still there. I don't know how to fix it. Sorry!

19:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)~

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixxnutz (talk • contribs) 19:04, 27 July 2015 UTC

 Fixed. General Ization ^Talk 19:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

Year	2015	Takuto Kurabayashi	Yousif Mohammed Ahmed Mirza Alhammadi	Shin Don-gin

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.99.63.3 (talk)

This must be about Yousif Mirza. There is something very odd about the "year" field in the infobox. Maproom (talk) 22:19, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what you were trying to do but I have removed a lot of bad code from the article to get rid of the errors.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)