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June 6

How can I make a page that occupies the full screen?

I want to make a wiki page on another wiki which also runs on mediawiki and I want that page to be occupy the whole screen (overlapping the left sidebar, the top bar etc.) How can I do it? Please help me, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabrielchihonglee (talk • contribs) 00:15, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you can't. This goes outside the Wiki, and outside HTML - you're asking to take over the user's browser and force it to behave in a particular way. While there might be some browsers which allow the page to do this (I don't think there are, but I'm not sure), I'm pretty sure it's not part of any standard. --ColinFine (talk) 09:07, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Antiochian Greeks

Reference help requested. How can I fixed the reference errors? Thanks, Elias Antonius (talk) 00:37, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Elias Antonius. The problem is that in the material you introduced, there is <ref name="Britannica Iran"/>. This is a named reference, that needs to be preceded by another reference that actually defines "Britannica Iran" - presumably you copied this material from somewhere else, but did not include the previous reference that defines it.

By the way, I see a couple of other problems. One is that you reference the Greek and Arabic Wikipedias. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and may almost never be used as a reference, so these are invalid.

The other is that if you have indeed copied this material from somewhere else in Wikipedia, you must must must credit the source, or you will be infringing the license. --ColinFine (talk) 09:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Minor point. The ref tag where a named references is defined does not need to come before other uses of the named ref. Anywhere in the page tht is covered by the same reflist tempalte will do. DES ^(talk) 17:30, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Getting Started

A.ajinjo (talk) 04:42, 6 June 2015 (UTC)Dear Team,

I am totally new to Wikipedia. So i do really need to know about using this to publish my works. Therefore i request your guide and assistance.

Read the conflict of interest policy and What Wikipedia is not. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia providing articles on subjects found to be notable in the specific sense of having independent coverage by reliable sources. Wikipedia isn't the vehicle for you to publish your works. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:16, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

• There are many policies and essays on Wikipedia, such as vandalism and articles.Adding this to your userpage gives you links to many policies on Wikipedia. The Snowager-is awake 07:12, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Confusion over 3RR

At Ninja Warrior UK, there's a dispute over some content being included but it seems fairly clear that consensus is against including the content. I've reverted people adding this content back three times in the last 24 hours, but an IP has added the content back again: does WP:3RR apply here? Or can I safely revert the IP, on the grounds that (a) consensus is clearly against inclusion of this content, (b) the user hasn't tried to contribute to the talk page, (c) several guidelines suggesting the content should be removed have been cited, but no-one has provided any policy-based reason for the content to stay and (d) burden of proof is on those fighting for inclusion? (Please tell me if there's a better place to ask this question; this is the first time I've used the Help Desk.) — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 09:16, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Bilorv, 3RR applies in this case. Reverting to maintain consensus, even a clear consensus, is not an exception. Reverting obvious vandalism is an exception, but a position in a content dispute, even a position against consensus, is not normally vandalism. Mention the matter on the talk page, if there is a true consensus, others will revert or discuss with those adding the content. Or post on the user talk pages of thsoe inserting, and point to the existing talk page consensus. Thsy can self-revert if they are convinced. DES ^(talk) 17:34, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of the article

Hello, I'd like the article about me Vladislav Adelkhanov to be deleted. As an active reader of Wikipedia myself I appreciate the benefits this page brought me during the years it existed here and I'm very grateful to persons who created and maintained it through those years. However at the moment I have a very serious personal reasons for the article to be deleted. I've read the suggestions, including leaving the request on the "talk" page of the article, but I wouldn't be happy if this issue will remain public in the future. I'd like to ask you to help me with it. Sincerely yours, VA130.204.139.113 (talk) 12:39, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Vladislav, but that article belongs to Wikipedia and not to you. If you have received any benefit from its existence, that is incidental and no part of Wikipedia's purpose. Equally, your wishes play a very small part in any deletion discussion. Articles are deleted only according to Wikipedia's deletion policy - generally, only if the subject is not shown to meet the criteria for notability (in Wikipedia's special sense).

Having said that, the article as it stands contains no references at all, and should either have been improved or nominated for deletion long ago. You are as free as anybody else to nominate it for deletion on those grounds (though you should declare your conflict of interest): see the article I linked to above for the procedure. But if somebody else opposes the deletion, arguing that there is enough third-party writing about you to make you notable, then the article will probably not be deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful reply, Colin. I will take it into consideration. I remember seeing "Art" staged in Mayakovsky Theatre in Moscow around 17 years ago, one or two years after its Russian premiere, with Igor Kostolevsky, Mikhail Filippov and, I think, Alexander Lazarev (here I'm probably wrong). Strong performances in a multilayered play. V130.204.139.113 (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

We are starting a new group. How do we get it on Wikipedia??

We are starting a new group. How do we get it on Wikipedia?? <redacted advertisement> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.225.142 (talk) 14:42, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Our guideline for notability of groups is WP:GNG and WP:ORG- they require evidence of significant, independent coverage from reliable sources. Not every group is notable enough for Wikipedia, and I doubt a "new group" will meet these notability criteria. In addition, Wikipedia is not a place to promote company/organisations/groups/causes, see WP:NOTADVERTISING- I'd recommend using social media and a website instead. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:47, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

How to get the real filelocations of real svg-files on commons.wikipedia?

On 7.April I asked here how to get such a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2015_April_7#How_to_get_a_list_of_all_.svg_files_on_Wikipedia.org_and_commons.wikimedia.org.3F

I now downloaded the file "commonswiki-20150417-all-titles".

Then I get all entries that end with ".svg".

So far, so good.

First problem: But how can I automatically find out the path to the real svg-file and not just a preview site with a png or jpg file?

Example: Preview site: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Blason_ville_fr_Servigny-l%C3%A8s-Sainte-Barbe_57.svg
Real svg-file: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Blason_ville_fr_Servigny-l%C3%A8s-Ste-Barbe_57.svg

Second problem: Some files seem to need to be added a "File:" prefix to to find the preview site. For example: 11-cube_t0_B5.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:11-cube_t0_B5.svg
But that "File:" is not needed for the real svg-file path.

How is this dump-file used?

In short: How to get the real path to the real svg-files? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.0.115.152 (talk) 14:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

What you call a preview site we call a file page. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Blason_ville_fr_Servigny-l%C3%A8s-Sainte-Barbe_57.svg is neither but it redirects to the file page http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blason_ville_fr_Servigny-l%C3%A8s-Ste-Barbe_57.svg which says "(Redirected from Blason ville fr Servigny-lès-Sainte-Barbe 57.svg)" if you click the redirect. File pages always include "File:". It's rare for them to have a redirect from a page without "File:". If you have the file names in the format "Blason ville fr Servigny-lès-Ste-Barbe 57.svg" then "Media:" in front will produce a link to the actual file. For example, Media:Blason ville fr Servigny-lès-Ste-Barbe 57.svg (spaces can be replaced by underscores) links to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Blason_ville_fr_Servigny-l%C3%A8s-Ste-Barbe_57.svg. Can you use that? "/c/c5/" is from the first two characters "c5" of the md5 hash of the file name with underscores and not spaces. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:07, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi PrimeHunter! I'm pretty confident I will be able to create the real paths with these instructions. (Basically, I only need to deploy a md5-algorithm in my javascript-code. Shouldn't be too dificult.)

TYVM! I would never have found out that.

I'm just curious, how you do know about all this? Is there a definitions page? Or do you know the source code for wikipedia that good?

Greetings John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.102.69.95 (talk) 22:17, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't know the source code but have 10 years and 35000 edits at the English Wikipedia, and usually know where to look up or search things I don't already know. The MediaWiki software which powers Wikipedia is mainly documented at https://www.mediawiki.org. Note that http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/ is only for files uploaded to Commons. Files uploaded to the English Wikipedia are at https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/, and there are lots of other Wikimedia wikis with their own uploads. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

That's good to know. I'll start with commons. Then I will try the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.102.69.95 (talk) 19:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

closure of my account

sir, i opened an acccount in the name of 'Ajai Kumar Chhawchharia' on 1st June, 2015. i want to close it. please advice me how to do it. my email is <redacted> thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajai Kumar Chhawchharia (talk • contribs) 15:12, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Ajai Kumar Chhawchharia. I have removed your email address - nobody will contact you that way, and this is a very public page. Accounts cannot be closed - you can simply stop using it. If you wish your name to be expunged from it, please see right to vanish. --ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Sir, I do not want to continue on wikipedia; I want to leave permanently. So please help me to complete “Vanishing” or “expunging” formalities so that I leave properly and ethically. [I learn that the account cannot be “closed” but “vanished or expunged”.]

I had involuntarily made some mistakes and my account seems not to serve my interests and purpose. I am sorry for it.

My account is in the name of “Ajai Kumar Chhawchharia” and it was opened on 1st June, 2015 Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajai Kumar Chhawchharia (talk • contribs) 16:44, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia content is licensed under the GFDL and the CC-BY-SA, all edits must be kept for attribution purposes, and so your account cannot be deleted. You do, however, have the right to vanish, which you can exercise by (1) requesting your user page (found at Special:Mypage) and subpages be deleted, by adding the {{db-userreq}} template to them; (2) requesting to change your username to something that is unconnected with you (possibly a random collection of letters and numbers); (3) never logging in to your account again. The "right to vanish" does not mean anyone has the right to a fresh start under a new identity. Anyone who wants to continue editing should request a change of username instead so edits can be reattributed.The Snowager-is awake 19:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

What Links Here and API

I've been searching through the documentation of the What Links Here page and I don't completely understand how it works. The "What Links Here page", from my understanding, lists pages that have links to the page about which your interested--that is, if you go onto a wikipedia page A, click what links here, you are going to get pages that have links to page A in blue links. I am not finding this function consistent in all cases. For example, if I search Ayn Rand with the namespace (Articles) of the What Links Here page, I get a result of Arthur Schopenhauer. However, neither Schopenhauer nor Rand are in each other's Wikipedia pages.

It would be helpful to have a way of listing the links that show up just in the page of the most recent revision history of a page. Is there a way to make the "What Links Here" page do this, or better yet, how would one design a search query using the API to get just the links in blue to a page and links in blue from a page?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faskowbn (talk • contribs) 17:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Links may be through a template, and may not be obvious. What Links here does not distinguish links in a template from links in plain text. Also, if a link was removed recently, the processes that update the whjst links here lists may not have caught up. DES ^(talk) 17:53, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Template:Aesthetics - David Biddulph (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Keeping text together. Words get lost between pictures

Hi

Sometimes on a page words go missing because they get lost between pictures

Only one example (taken from History of Saint Petersburg#Revolutions )

The Church of the Savior on Blood commemorates the spot where Tsar Alexander II was assassinated

The protected cruiser Aurora, symbol of the October Revolution, now a museum

Lenin's mug shot 1895

Several revolutions, uprisings, assassinations of Tsars, and power takeovers in St. Peterburg had shaped the course of history in Russia and influenced the world. In 1801, after the assassination of the Emperor Paul I, his son became the Emperor Alexander I. Alexander I ruled Russia during the Napoleonic Wars and expanded his Empire by acquisitions of Finland and part of Poland. His mysterious death in 1825 was marked by the Decembrist revolt, which was suppressed by the Emperor Nicholas I, who ordered execution of leaders and exiled hundreds of their followers to Siberia. Nicholas I then pushed for Russian nationalism by suppressing non-Russian nationalities and religions.

Rest of the section

The problem is with the word "Several" it is split of the rest of the text ("Several revolutions, uprisings, assassinations of Tsars....) .

How can I keep it together with the rest of the text?

(ps there are many more places where this happens so a general solution is needed) WillemienH (talk) 19:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

It isn't split off when I view it, this will depend on browser choice, screen resolution, font settings and other display settings, which may be different for each user. That said, havign pictures on both teh right and the left at the same place can be a problem, particularly for users with lower screen resolutions, and is often avoided. DES ^(talk) 20:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

i would also suggest the issue is the surplus of images. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:52, 7 June 2015 (UTC)