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March 18

Login problems

I received an update to my user page on wikimedia commons saying the username would be modified because it clashes with another login. The other login is one I also control, on wikipedia. I have tried to sign in to Wikipedia to check which email address has been used to authenticate my account - my hope is to ensure both logins use the same email address and then requst for the accounts to be merged, rather than having one renamed. I failed to sign in so followed the link for resetting the password. A temporary password was emailed to me but I was still unable to authenticate, receiving the message that the password was incorrect. I repeated this password reset process, still to no avail. I then searched for a way to get support for account issues - the documentation I found did not address this issue whereby I cannot log in by using the temporary password, hence I am raising the question here. However my primary concerns are to ensure both accounts are merged, rather than one being renamed, and to be able to sign back in to Wikipedia (and wikimedia commons). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.154.38.153 (talk) 00:46, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

What is the username? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

youcantryreachingme — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.154.38.153 (talk) 04:16, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Special:CentralAuth/Youcantryreachingme confirms the Commons and Wikipedia accounts are not attached, and I see the Commons message you mention at commons:User talk:Youcantryreachingme#Your account will be renamed. Passwords are case sensitive. What exactly does the error message say when you try to log in with the temporary Wikipedia password at Special:UserLogin? Some browsers may store a previously entered wrong password, and enter it without the user noticing. Can you try another computer or browser? Can you log in at Commons? PrimeHunter (talk) 04:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Sigh. I have done plenty of support work myself and now I am going to be a typical user: I tried again and it worked. I've signed in to Wikipedia and updated the email address to my current email address. I then signed in to Wikimedia using the same username and password (though not sure whether the accounts are linked or not) and it worked. The Wikimedia Commons preferences page lists the same email address. So my question becomes: is there a way I can confirm the two accounts are now linked (merged) and that neither will be renamed? TIA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youcantryreachingme (talk • contribs) 05:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Under Global Account Information, in the list of local accounts, I see "commons.wikimedia.org not attached not attached". Prior to just now there were only 2 rows in that table: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. Twelve new rows appeared after my signing in and updating my email address, all with the same "Attached on" date value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youcantryreachingme (talk • contribs) 05:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I left the WMF liaison a message at meta:User talk:Keegan (WMF)#Commons:User:youcantryreachingme, calling his attention to this thread. —teb728 t c 07:06, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Log in and click Special:MergeAccount. It seems unfortunate that the message at commons:User talk:Youcantryreachingme does not say you can do this if both accounts belong to you. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I clicked on the Merge Account link and it informed me the merge was not complete. At the bottom I entered the password for the Wikimedia Commons account (which I thought was the same, but this page says the most likely reason for the merge being incomplete is a different password) and the page refreshed showing the same information. I clicked on the commons.wikimedia.org link (URL is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Youcantryreachingme) and it took me to the user page for Youcantryreachingme on that domain but displayed the message "This page does not currently exist." Thanks for your help and, a pre-emptive question, should all this dialogue be deleted once my issue is resolved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youcantryreachingme (talk • contribs) 02:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Can you log in at Commons? Do you have both the same password and same email address at Commons and Wikipedia? If not then make them the same (click "Preferences" at top of the page) and try to merge again. Ignore "This page does not currently exist." It merely means your account at Commons has not created a user page where you can tell about yourself like you do at User:Youcantryreachingme. Discussions are automatically archived after a few days (see Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives). There is no reason to delete anything unless you want to try to hide the connection between your IP address and username. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:51, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Youcantryreachingme: I suggest PrimeHunter's advice right above this. Make sure you have the same password and email set on Commons as you have set here, and your account should merge 100%. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 01:42, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Buddhist mythology

Reference help requested. How to type reference. I was trying to type reference using mobile app of Wikipedia. But it had shown errors. Thanks, 1.39.33.116 (talk) 03:37, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Your entered <ref name="Tiloyapannati"/>[Triloksaar]</ref>. The problem is the first slash, which doesn't belong when you have a closing </ref>. I fixed that for you, but what do you mean by "[Triloksaar]". —teb728 t c 06:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Google suggests 'Triloksaar' might be 'Trilok Saar' which in turns is a title of some book... --CiaPan (talk) 07:41, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

There is a page with my name on it

I googled my name "Alonda Shevette" which is my legal name and no other names fall under it just me! There is a page with my name on it up for deletion due to a lot of reasons. I am not the creator of such page and would like the information to be removed. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alonda Shevette (talk • contribs) 05:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

The article Alonda Shevette has been deleted. And recreated. And deleted again. All in the last few days. It has now been protected from being recreated again. Dismas|^(talk) 06:07, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Glowworm Tunnel

I am trying to move article Wikipedia:Glowworm Tunnel because obviously Wikipedia should not be in the article title, but am not having much luck. How do I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardaka (talk • contribs)

 Done - you moved it to project space, not article space - this is a common mistake - just leave the first box "To new title" as "(article)"
And please sign your posts on talk pages with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your username and a datestamp - Arjayay (talk) 08:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup. Sardaka (talk) 09:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

split of the article

I wish to split List of songs recorded by Zecchino d'Oro in multiple articles for each edition, so I can put links in Wikidata, since in the italian Wikipedia also exist. Are You agree? --Marce79 (talk) 09:02, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

You should discuss this on the article's talk page, Marce79. My opinion is that it should not be split: fifty short unreferenced articles are even more worthless than one long unreferenced article. But that's just my view. The issue of Wikidata not allowing links to partial articles is a widespread and fundamental one, and I don't think anything is served by making the structure in one language Wikipedia match that of another just so that they can be linked.

Regarding Yadav Page

Dear Sir/Madam,

My name is Raj Yadav. I wanted to know about yadav history so i searched yadav in wikipedia. I appreciate your work to provide history of yadav clan but there is a problem to me also. The two Images which you have provided are looking awkward, inferior, ridiculous, ugly etc. Ist one is "A group of Aheers, a major constituent of the Yadav group, from around Delhi, 1868" & Second one is "A woman of the Ahir community, which falls within the Yadav group, harvesting wheat in western India. Many Yadavs have taken to non-traditional occupations". This is humble request to change these images. Try to add some images through which one can feel proud, awesome & joyful. It is like if one think negative, there will be negative attitude in his life on the contrary if he thinks positive, positivity will be there. Same here if you will show the moments which are prideful with this clan. That will helpful to lift the confidence who is belongs to this clan. Hope you will do so. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.176.33.237 (talk) 09:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion, neither of those images (the first taken in 1868 before the invention of colour photography, and the second showing an attractive young woman) is "awkward, inferior, ridiculous, ugly". You clearly feel differently. But we are only able to use images that we have. If you can find better images on Wikimedia Commons, or upload there some suitable images which are not restricted by copyright, those could be used in the article. Maproom (talk) 09:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I see that Wikimedia Commons already has a few more images, here (though they seem to me no better than the ones already in the article). Maproom (talk) 10:42, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Listing in search box

If you start typing "Arrow (TV series)" into the search box, that article title comes up as well as the redirect "Arrow (TV series) (season 1)". Those are the only two that come up even though there are two more redirects, "Arrow (TV series) (season 2)" and "...season 3". So why aren't 2 & 3 listed when I start typing in the search box? Dismas|^(talk) 09:48, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Did it work before your edit to the redirect page? If yes, it could be a time based problem and it may need to re-cache the link. The best place to find an answer to a technical problem like this would be WP:PUMPTECH. - X201 (talk) 10:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

The situation I describe was so before and after my edits. Dismas|^(talk) 12:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Tenniel Chu - edit complete and citation needed box to be removed

Hi,

I have edited the page Tenniel Chu and added relevant citations but it still says that it needs to be amended in the top information box.

How can that be deleted?

Many thanks, Charlottecourtleeds --Charlottecourtleeds (talk) 10:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

The citations you have added are all given as bare URLs. That is not the recommended way to supply citations. Moreover, the first three were not acceptable (I didn't check any further): the first one appears not to mention the subject, it lists someone with a different name, and the next two are to the web site of the subject's company. Maproom (talk) 10:48, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

The first one is referencing the fact that Tenniel Chu is Vice Chairman of Mission Hills Group and the link goes to a professional business website that supports the fact he is the Vice Chairman of that group. Can you advise me on how that is not acceptable? With regard to the concept bare URLs - apologies I have not come across that when learning how to amend/add/update articles, I'm a new user and am learning as I go along. Can you point me to a page that explains bare URLs and what should be used instead?

Thanks Charlottecourtleeds (talk) 10:55, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I apologise - I see that the Bloomberg page cited does indeed support the statement that he is VC of Mission Hills Group.

For a general guide on referencing, see referencing for beginners. Maproom (talk) 11:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Great thank you, that's a big help --Charlottecourtleeds (talk) 12:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

Just spent quite a while trying to clean up the citations as per advised, removing incorrect citations and getting rid of the bare URLs. Can you let me know if the citation needed box can be deleted?

ThanksCharlottecourtleeds (talk) 12:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

You have made a great improvement to the referencing! I have removed the "more footnotes" template.

I have not time to check things now, but I do have one comment. Some of the references do not mention Mr. Chu, and are in support of paragraphs which are about Mission Hills, not Mr. Chu. The article should be about the man himself, not his company. Maproom (talk) 13:18, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Brilliant, that's great - I'll have another look at the Mission Hills specific articles and include more about Tenniel Chu. Thanks for all your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlottecourtleeds (talk • contribs) 13:30, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Charlottecourtleeds, have you looked at the edit that Maproom made? The big warning about footnotes is not something that our software generates automatically; it's a template, which can appear on a page whether or not it's appropriate. It's just a piece of wikicode that can be added or removed by anyone, even if it shouldn't. Many pages without footnotes don't have this template, even though it would be appropriate, while someone who's intentionally trying to make a mess of things (a vandal) might add this kind of template to a featured article like Brill railway station. Nyttend (talk) 12:06, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

babadook page altered with nazi propoganda

check the babadook film page someone altered it with Hilter and nazi propoganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.39.60.5 (talk) 13:42, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism already noted and reverted. --  Gadget850 ^talk 13:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

How to prove that the content is not offensive?

I'm trying to create a page of a vocal group which I am part of in Brazil (http://www.vocalgogoboys.com/ or https://www.facebook.com/vocalgogoboys), but there is an automatic editing filter that says the content is offensive. This probably happens because of the group name, "Gó Gó Boys". It is a group of humor and music ... And the name is a little joke, because "gogó" means "Adam's apple", in Portuguese. How to get around the offensive content warning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabianolacombe (talk • contribs) 14:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

@Fabianolacombe: This is a help page for the English Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org. I see no edit filter logs here. If this is about your edits at the Portuguese Wikipedia https://pt.wikipedia.org then you have to discuss it there. I don't know Portuguese. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

@Fabianolacombe: Please read WP:COI if you are going to be making a page about something which you have a connection to. PhantomTech (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Pending changes and Semi-protection simultaneously

Is there any reason why, or benefit from, an article (specifically Allen Iverson but let's keep the question generic) should have both Pending changes and Semi-protection applied simultaneously?
If there is no real benefit, could a helpful Admin please remove the Pending changes - Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 18:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

On reading Wikipedia: Protection policy, it appears that PC1 applies only to pending changes by new and unregistered editors, and that semi-protection blocks changes by new and unregistered editors, so that the combination of these two protections doesn't make sense, unless I have misread the policy. You can request that one of the protections be removed, but, since some of the regular editors of this Help Desk are administrators, your request is likely to be seen anyway. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

You read it right, PC1 is completely useless combined with semi-protection. Semi blocks all IP (and unconfirmed) edits and PC1 requires that all IP edits, which are blocked, be reviewed. Whoever semi-protected it might have forgotten to remove the PC protection but the semi-protection has an expiration and the PC doesn't so it could just be a temporary increase in protection with the intention being for it to fall back to PC after semi expires. PhantomTech (talk) 19:50, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if this is the case here, but sometimes a PC1 protected page gets a flood of disruptive edit requests from IPs and is temporarily semi-protected without changing the longer PC protection. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

In the example given, semi-protection was applied for a 6-month period, of which just less than 2 months remain, so it probably does make sense to leave the PC1 in place. If it weren't in place, would there be any easy way to ensure that the PC1 would apply when the semi-protection expires? - David Biddulph (talk) 08:31, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Citing multiple issues of the same magazine

This is a sentence I've put under Awards and Recognition in my article draft:

AudioVideo International Magazine named Retailers of the Year in various categories annually for 29 years, from 1977 until the magazine ceased publication in 2006. ListenUp was named a top retailer in 20 of those 29 annual listings.

I have dates and page numbers for all 20 listings. How do I cite those? Thanks.

Lpwords (talk) 21:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I think {{Cite journal}} is what you are looking for.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

To simplify, <ref>{{cite journal |last= |first= |last2= |first2= |date= |title= |url= |journal=AudioVideo International Magazine |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |doi= |access-date=18 March 2015}}</ref>. You can see "date" and "pages", and of course you'd want a title for the article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Notable people/Saint Joseph, MI

I noticed you did not mention Jay Schadler (TV correspondent) or Dan Wheeler (QVC co-anchor) or Dave Stockman (retired secretary of treasurer) when listing notable people from Saint Joseph, MI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.192.89.184 (talk) 21:41, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I didn't have anything to do with that article. But if you do, you can. Wikipedia only exists because people who care add information. Since you seem to care, you're the only person who has the responsibility to add the missing information. --Jayron32 23:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

RUSSIA and autogenerated links

When the RUSSIA page was created, the creator says that it "appears in some automatically-generated ref sections". What kind of context would this be? Right now, it's linked on a few talk pages (in every case, someone simply shouting), User:3centsoap/VETest (some sort of error by the creator?), and a random appearance at List of place names of Dutch origin. Any idea how this is related to automatically-generated ref sections? Nyttend (talk) 21:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know which tool was used but here is an example with location=FRANCE and location=ENGLAND in {{cite journal}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:17, 18 March 2015 (UTC)