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April 5

How do I move an article to a redirect page that points to it?

The article Honda Sabre was created in 2015 and is only a redirect to Honda Sabre V4, an article that was created in 2006. None of the motorcycles were called a 'Honda Sabre V4' by anyone when the bikes came out and the Wikipedia article should be named as the bike was actually named.

How can I move the Honda Sabre V4 article to the Honda Sabre article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by I Use Dial (talk • contribs)

@I Use Dial: Only an administrator can move an article over a redirect. I have just done this for you. Please edit the article lead so that it makes sense in the context of the title. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:30, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@Amatulic: Thank you. Done. I Use Dial (talk) 00:55, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

A small correction to the reply from @Amatulic:: If the new title is just a redirect to the old title, with just one line in the page history, the creation of the redirect, then a non-administrator can rename the page, see WP:move over redirect. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Cool. I learn something new every day. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:44, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@David Biddulph:I don't know if this is relevant to that feature, but both pages in this case have quite a few links, which also seems to have some impact on moving pages.I Use Dial (talk) 15:28, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Chico Scimone

After my grandfather Chico Scimone died in 2005 I wrote an English-language biography for my cousin Micaela Scimone. It was an excellent contribution (I am an author and journalist)and I put a grate deal of time into it for free. I went to look for the biography yesterday and it was no where on Google to be found. So I went to my Inbox and Sent box and the biography had been completely deleted from my account as well as any reference to it! I could only find a very miserable contribution in Italian. This happened once before and my cousin reopened the site. I have the feeling that jealous people are behind this. Or greed and commercial interests? Could you please look into this for me? It is not fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.163.160.244 (talk) 01:06, 5 April 2016‎ (UTC)

There has never been an English Wikipedia article with the title Chico Scimone, nor a draft called Draft:Chico Scimone. (If there had been, these red links would have shown the deletion logs). Did you create it with a different title? You talk about "Inbox and Sent box", but Wikipedia does not have such items. You say it had been "completely deleted from (your) account", but you sent this message from an IP address (which had never previously been used on English Wikipedia), not from a Wikipedia account; if you have a Wikipedia account and tell us its name we can check what was created by that account. Or are you talking about a biography published somewhere other than English Wikipedia (in which case this help desk isn't the place to ask)? --David Biddulph (talk) 01:31, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles do not get deleted because "jealous people" or "greed or commercial interests" are active. They get deleted because the articles do not meet Wikipedia's requirements, usually because they do not demonstrate that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's special sense, or because they are not written in a sufficiently neutral tone. Writing for Wikipedia is not the same as writing for other organs, and if you wrote about your grandfather you would have had the additional challenge of overcoming you conflict of interest, which might make it difficult for you to write sufficiently neutrally. --ColinFine (talk) 10:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

But as David says, we can find no sign such an article has ever existed here. I searched in many different ways and found nothing. The poster used terminology which doesn't sound like Wikipedia. Many posters confuse us with unrelated websites and this was apparently something the poster wrote 11 years ago. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Regarding north Carolinas men's basketball page

Some ignorant incompetent immature people changed north Carolinas men's basketball team to the North Carolina crying Jordan's with a head coach named crying Jordan, I need this changed immediately and I expect that this is done thoroughly accurately and promptly because false information is not good for society. I expect if you guys have the capability of finding who did this I expect they are banned from editing Wikipedia pages. If this is not changed promptly I will never use your services again.

-do not fail me.

@172.56.35.32: Okay mate, do you want some advice? How about you calm down? The vandalism was there for a total of five minutes before it was removed, and was even gone before you posted this. How about you get off your high horse and stop talking down to people? You could even change it yourself if you could be bothered to learn wiki markup. So please don't resort to speaking quite angrily to unpaid volunteers who are helping you. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 04:44, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we have too many "ignorant incompetent immature people" whom we call "vandals" on Wikipedia. If you find any other vandalism such as this, look at the history of the article, and click "undo" to revert the vandalism. We are all volunteers here, so you can help to keep Wikipedia accurate when you spot these silly edits. As Jjamesryan writes above, vandalism is usually reverted within minutes, but the more people who watch out for it, the quicker it gets reverted. Dbfirs 12:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@Dbfirs: I like the good cop/bad cop rapport we've got going on :-) Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 14:50, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I did wonder whether the vandal (from Michigan State University) was a friend of the complainer (from Joliet, Illinois) who was just trying to wind him up, but I couldn't find any evidence, so I decided to assume good faith, despite the tone of the complaint. Dbfirs 15:40, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Section started by 27.33.147.245

Sacred Heart Cathedral is not the second tallest in Australia St Paul’s Melbourne at 96 metres is 2nd, Sacred Heart Bendigo is 86.64 metres in height therefore ranks 3rd. Cheers Will Sinclair

If you have an improvement to suggest to one of our five million articles, please make the suggestion on the talk page of that article, preferably with a reference to a published souce for the information you want to add. We haven't an article called "Sacred Heart Cathedral", so I have no idea what article yo are talking about. --ColinFine (talk) 10:55, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

rename request

Please rename Talk:MassResistance/Archive 5 to Talk:MassResistance/Archive 2 and rename Talk:MassResistance/Archive 6 to Talk:MassResistance/Archive 3 and then correct the counter in the call to Miszabot (from 6 to 3) in Talk:MassResistance. Thank you.--76.14.40.2 (talk) 06:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done....waiting on old page deletion.--Moxy (talk) 07:37, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

security numbers

how many social security numers begin with 555 - xx - xxxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.194.53.20 (talk)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:00, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

None in the UK, but I assume you mean in America. See Social_Security_number#Structure for details. If 450 million numbers have been issued, then, if all were randomised, about 450,000 might begin with 555, but my estimate will be distorted by regional numbering in the past, and the true figure will almost certainly be more than my estimate. (Apologies to PrimeHunter and other readers for my answer in the wrong place.) Dbfirs

MLK anniversary unmarked

Yesterday was the anniversary of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. one of the most significant events in contemporary history was not even mentioned on the main page in the anniversary date section of events in history. For shame. For Shame.

David P. Agee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.42.166.109 (talk)

"On this day" items often change between years to give variation. The page history of Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/April 4 shows it was mentioned in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2014. That is more than normal. Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/January 18 shows Martin Luther King, Jr. Day was mentioned this year. Also note we are an international encyclopedia and he was mainly a domestic figure. I'm not sure his assassination is one of the most significant events in contemporary World history. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:54, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, they switch up from year to year so that the same events aren't listed every time. And this is an international site. I suspect that his death will be mentioned in 2 years when it will be the 50th anniversary of his death. Dismas|^(talk) 12:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Might be interesting to see what events are mentioned *every* year (since say 2005). My first guess would be August 6, for the Hiroshima bombing...Naraht (talk) 13:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Can we CSD a user page

Can editors CSD a user page for being promotional? This user User:Harshal Narendra Suryawanshi has a page dedicated to promote a mobile phone Gbawden (talk) 13:16, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Gbawden. Use WP:MFD. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

On the one hand, a user page can be MFD'd for being promotional, but, to answer the question, if the user page is blatantly promotional, it can be nominated for CSD with a tag of G11 (unambiguous advertising). Since we do get a fair number of user pages or user pages that are blatantly advertising, I would use CSD if there is no question. If the CSD is challenged, other than by the author, MFD is appropriate. In user space, I personally wouldn't worry too much unless the advertisement hits one of my hot buttons, such as the use of the first person plural pronoun "we", but other reviewers and experienced editors have different standards. In any case, both CSD and MFD are available for promotional user page drafts. Mildly promotional drafts in user space should be declined by reviewers if submitted and ignored otherwise. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I looked it over. In my opinion, the MFD, which runs for seven days, was too mild. I have tagged it for CSD. If an admin agrees with CSD, that will make the MFD moot. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikiscan

Hello,

Please can s.o give me the adress where the Wikiscans can be seen? That is the page where all users' contributions are listed, sizes of contributions, number of pages created, duration of presence on Wikipedia, history etc. Thanks in advance for the help. LouisAlain (talk) 13:31, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@LouisAlain: I think you're talking about X!'s tools. These are your statistics on X!'s tools, and simply change the username in the URL to see others'. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 14:46, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Jjamesryan; Ouch! these stats are really impressive and the layout completely different from what I used to see on the French Wiki. I'll have to take some time to make the best of them. LouisAlain (talk) 15:07, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

moving my questions

user "David Biddulph" has moved my most recent two questions and merged them with an old question that was already answered....these two are now going unanswered as they're hidden away....could he NOT do that, please???? I want this question at least answered here and not moved, please....68.48.241.158 (talk) 14:37, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

and I'd like my most recent question moved back...68.48.241.158 (talk) 14:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

It looks very much like as if they are all a development of the same issue. David is correct to move them them into one section, as otherwise anybody that might wish to offer advice is seeing the issue piecemeal and may thus miss something important. That's apart from creating an untidy disjointed page. It might be best if you let the experienced editors who regularly try to offer assistance at this page (such as David) format the page in the most workable or efficient manner. Eagleash (talk) 14:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

they're distinct questions...moving them is unhelpful as it's reduced the chance of them being answered (which they haven't been)...people more likely to notice a new topic or notice the table of contents...68.48.241.158 (talk) 15:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

as in scroll down to see new topics...or glance at bottom of table of contents...68.48.241.158 (talk) 15:12, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

To put it more bluntly, as you don't seem to have understood the message, coming here and demanding this page is run to suit you is not the best way (by far) to obtain assistance. If you are behaving similarly in content disputes, it is not really surprising that you find yourself in difficulty. Eagleash (talk) 15:25, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm asking it be run normally (new question/new section) and that my questions not be hidden away so that they go unanswered...coming here and demanding the power to arbitrarily move things around on one's whims like they own the place is the problem, thank you very much...68.48.241.158 (talk) 15:34, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

who says I'm having difficulty? I'm pursuing the proper process for content disputes...content disputes is huge part of how Wikipedia operates and creates content....you seem to be having difficulty behaving properly in the help desk, however...68.48.241.158 (talk) 15:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Just to remind you that everyone who helps out here is a volunteer and is under no obligation to answer your questions. If you do not like the way the page is run (and has been for some considerable time) then you are welcome to ask at another help-desk. Your demands are not helpful in any way. I'm sure someone will be along to address your concerns...in due course. Eagleash (talk) 16:30, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

This Help Desk is for asking questions about Wikipedia. I don't see any questions, just complaints about your posts at Talk:Godel's incompleteness theorems. Your complaints appear to be mostly that you want to filibuster that page with endless complaints and with biased incomplete RFCs. Semi-protecting a talk page (or a project page) is an extreme measure, seldom done, but permitted, and occasionally necessary. If your rants continue, I will request semi-protection of the Incompleteness Theorem first. It is primarily for registered editors trying to improve the article. I am aware that semi-protecting this page is extreme, because unregistered editors often have valid questions. Therefore be aware that you are risking interfering with their editing privilege by your abuse of the editing privilege here. I will also note that some of your comments are close to earning you another block. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:37, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

please move this to my talk page if it should not be here but my content dispute is genuine and in good faith...I've made dozens upon dozens of beneficial edits to that article if you look at the history....and why are you stating the talk page is primarily for "registered editors"...??? my questions here are genuine and in good faith too...first question was answered well...second question was looking for input as to what route is best for a particular kind of content dispute (as there are several and the pages on these are long and complicated)...and my third question related to another's action that seemed perhaps out of line (ie shutting down even my request for comment...people don't have to comment, of course)...68.48.241.158 (talk) 16:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I understand that the original poster thinks that they have made dozens of beneficial edits. That is their opinion. I disagree. However, I think we can agree to take this to the talk page, with agreement that bringing this back to this Help Desk is strictly unwelcome. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

How Do I add A Graphic To A Portal?

Hello. I have just created the Amiga Portal and am looking to create an icon such that when the portal is listed on a page, it has a nice image instead of the default colorless puzzle icon. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks in advance. H.dryad (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

AFAIK, looking at Template:Portal it seems that the correct way to do it is to get the image added at Module:Portal/images which requires you to make a protected edit request at Template talk:Portal. —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 17:53, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks a bunch! H.dryad (talk) 19:46, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Question

how to use wekipedia in english — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.217.150 (talk • contribs)

You are using Wikipedia in English. I'm afraid you'll have to be more specific about what it is you want help in doing. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 09:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Is this reuse allowed?

I found this page via Google. The image there is a screenshot of Star Control 2 that I have myself grabbed and uploaded to the English Wikipedia as an illustration. The GameSpot site reuses it without attribution. It's obvious it's taken from Wikipedia, it even shows the captain's name as "Wikipedia" which I expressly put there. It's a local copy, not linked directly from Wikipedia. Granted, neither I or Wikipedia own the copyright to the game's artwork. Is this reuse allowed or is it not? JIP | Talk 17:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@JIP: The answer is probably not, but as the image in question, [[File:StarControlII Screenshot.png]] is listed as fair use, the copyright doesn't belong to Wikipedia. Therefore, they're probably breaking someone else's copyright.

Most Wikipedia images are released with free licences which require attribution, so in that case other websites should always acknowledge Wikipedia as the source. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:19, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

So, what should be done? Normally I'd contact them requiring to give attribution but the problem is I don't own the copyright, it's a direct screenshot of a commercial game. Can I still ask them for attribution? I noticed plenty of other sites also display screenshots of the game but this was the first case I saw one of my own screenshots uploaded to Wikipedia on another site. JIP | Talk 19:44, 5 April 2016 (UTC)