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December 24

Talk page archive help?

I have an archive set up on my talk page and in the edit history of it, it does say things are being archived... but my archive page is blank. The setup was a little confusing so maybe someone else has some insight? Thanks --Jennica✿ / ^talk 03:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Quick look, things are a mess in your archives.... Just see Special:PrefixIndex/User_talk:Jennica/. I don't know where anything is supposed to go, but there it is.... Generally.... -- The Voidwalker ^Whispers 03:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

That being said, if you want things to be listed as "User talk:Jennica/Archive X", change | archive = User talk:Jennica/Archive 1/%(year)d/%(monthname)s to | archive = User talk:Jennica/Archive %(counter)d. Good luck with that though -- The Voidwalker ^Whispers 03:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks @The Voidwalker: - I changed the coding.. do you know how long it takes for it to become visible on one page? --Jennica✿ / ^talk 04:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Once the bot starts archiving to the new location. Also, pages here can be merged into User talk:Jennica/Archive 1 for consistency. -- The Voidwalker ^Whispers 17:09, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Using imdb.com as a Reliable reference for Actor/Actress Birthday/Family Names (Dec 2016)

Hi HelpDesk, I have recently added children names for Catherine Belkhodja, a notable French film-maker. I took the children names from the French Wikipedia page, which does not have reference. So, I added imdb.com as a reference. Someone deleted the entire paragraph 2x without specifying where it says imdb is unreliable reference. You can view my discussion at Talk:Catherine Belkhodja. IMHO, imdb.com is a very reliable and popular database that contains many entertainer information. If I can't use imdb.com as a reliable reference, what options do I have? I want to find a reliable reference, how can I do that when this user keep deleting what I add into the article. I'm seeking a solution from you to keep the content. Your response is appreciated. SWP13 (talk) 06:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

See WP:Citing IMDB for a discussion on what is acceptable. I don't believe biographical details such as you want to add are subject to the editorial control we would need. I agree that IMDB is a popular database, but reliable? Not so much. Rojomoke (talk) 06:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

As one of many Wikipedians with an IMDb listing, I can testify that compared to Wikipedia, the content there (outside of some really high-profile performers and execs) does not have the requisite quality control. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

SWP13>Thank you for your response. My question (part2). I know the content for this specific person is correct. If I can't use imdb.com as a reliable reference, where else can I find reference? SWP13 (talk) 03:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

reference desk

Does Wikipedia:CENSOR apply to the reference desk? Benjamin (talk) 08:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

As much as WP:BANREVERT, WP:RD3, and WP:NOTFORUM do. And especially WP:NPA. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

That IP is not me. Benjamin (talk) 09:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Problem with a template? Or PEBKAC?

Hello,

I recently translated a section from w:eo:Fina Venko to our article on the same subject (fina venko §§ Possible ways to achieve)...following the instructions on WP:Translation, I added a template to Talk:Finvenkismo. When I tried to put the section that I edited in the message though, it did not appear so now it seems like I'm claiming I edited the whole article which is not true. The weirdest part is that here on Template:Translated_page#Examples, the example template also is not showing the section being edited...am I doing something wrong, or is there something wrong with the template? I tried to edit the template to see the source code so I could maybe figure it out (i.e. WP:SOFIXIT), but (1) it's protected, and (2) I can't read the computer code in the template (I prefer to edit with VisualEditor. Great feature by the way, I never would have become an editor here without that. Wiki markup is my Achilles heel, but I know some of it now).

Please help if you can --Psiĥedelisto (talk) 14:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Psiĥedelisto. The section parameter you inserted is working fine for me. My guess is that you are thinking it's supposed to function in some particular manner that displays a section edit link. What it does is make the the word "contains" in the template a piped link to the section of the article you've specified, rather than to the article entire. With that clarification, is that function not working for you? On another, more important issue, that talk page template is just belt and suspenders for the far more critical copyright attribution, explained at WP:Translation, which is that you must provide copyright attribution in the article's edit history when you do a translation, by placing an edit summary explaining that you have translated material from another Wikipedia language article and hyperlink to that article (through an interlanguage link). This is the predominant method for complying with the attribution requirements of the free copyright licenses that Wikipedia's content is licensed under. Using a dummy edit, I have fixed the edit history to provide copyright attribution. Please keep this in mind for future translations, Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thank you, you're right, I didn't realize that the "contains" link linked to the section itself because the hover text only had the name of the article, but now I can see that you are correct. Thank you, and also for the dummy edit. I'll be sure to always write the correct edit summary in the future. --Psiĥedelisto (talk) 15:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

[edit conflict with Fuhghettaboutit] What is PEBKAC? To answer your question, the section is included in the first link — "contains" goes to Finvenkismo#Possible_ways_to_achieve in the article and Template:Translated_page#Accidents_and_incidents on the template. Meanwhile, this template's coding is hard compared to "normal" MediaWiki, basically because it depends on thing such as conditional code that will have different results depending on what you put in. Some template coding is easy to figure out; see Commons:Template:USCountyBuildingMat (remember that all WMF wikis use the same coding), which when I created it consisted of

[[Category:Buildings in {{{2}}} County, {{{3}}}]] [[Category:{{{1}}} buildings in {{{3}}} by county|{{{2}}}]]

I learnt that this way I could write {{USCountyBuildingMat|Brick|Vinton|Ohio}} and it would supply "Brick" wherever {{{1}}} appeared, "Vinton" in place of 2, and "Ohio" in place of 3. However, anything beyond that (e.g. type |1=abc and it puts in anything except "abc") and I'm helpless — and I've been here 10+ years and created more than two thousand templates (see [1] and click "older 500"), but I still don't know how to do this, and yet I can still function well, so don't think ill of your own abilities. Nyttend (talk) 15:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes thanks I understand now. (BTW: PEBKAC) Thanks for the template instructions also --Psiĥedelisto (talk) 15:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Psiĥedelisto, you're welcome. Also see WP:PF, which I meant to mention before but forgot. Nyttend (talk) 18:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

I have added 2 new links in the Family tree diagram - near the end of this page. But I failed to DIRECTLY connect to the actual sections on the Lupton family page of these two people who have their own little sections on the Lupton family page - Olive Christiana Lupton and Francis Martineau Lupton. Please help. 101.182.188.199 (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

See WP:ANCHOR. †dismas†|^(talk) 22:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Dismas

I have tried to do - on only one of the 2 people - Olive Christian Lupton - what WP: ANCHOR has suggested - but it failed. PLEASE help me. 101.182.188.199 (talk) 22:44, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

The links should look something like [[Lupton family#Olive Middleton (née Lupton)|Olive Christian Lupton]] and possibly [[Lupton family#Francis Martineau and descendants|Francis Martineau Lupton]]. Cheers -- The Voidwalker ^Whispers 23:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Please help

I have failed to connect two names directly to a link page. See above entry. My mistake is all in red now 101.182.188.199 (talk) 23:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC)  thanks

I have just added a fix per above, there is no need to start multiple threads. Thanks -- The Voidwalker ^Whispers 23:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

aus??

why is this only about aus content,theres a world out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.123.31.199 (talk) 23:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Could you explain what you're talking about? Nyttend (talk) 00:45, 25 December 2016 (UTC)