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February 29

book with Wikipedia text

Hi, I was patrolling in the it.wiki looking for copyright violation when I have found this book that looks completely copied from en.wiki. This is the book: http(dot)//www(dot)lulu(dot)com/ch/it/shop/hipolito-buchmann/the-esoteric-codex-medieval-astrologers/paperback/product-22404199(dot)html --Updown (talk) 01:31, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Our articles are published under a license that allows anyone to reuse them like this, provided they mention clearly in the book that the contents are taken from Wikipedia. Some publishers do the latter, some don't. I'm not sure if we've ever sued anyone for not attributing re-used stuff to us. We can't link to that site because it's been blacklisted --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 01:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

On Google books it is not possible to see the copyright notes, on the lulu page is only said CC 2.0. Sorry for posting a blacklisted link, was not spam ;). Problem is that we may consider this text in a wrong way when patrolling, relating to it as the original. --Updown (talk) 02:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Updown and Anthonyhcole: It's not enough to just say that the content is from Wikipedia. The license must be named and available as well (by introducing a link). Furthermore, as Wikipedia is licensed Share Alike, any reproduced Wikipedia content must be released under a compatible free license. For a detailed explanation, see: Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Here another book on lulu: The Esoteric Codex: Medieval European Legendary Creatures. In this case text in from en.wiki and images are copied from Commons. It look like they are not shared with our licences. --Updown (talk) 11:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

The structure of CCK-4 in the article of that title - is wrong !

I am a chemist with extensive knowledge of peptides. The structure for CCK-4 is wrong. The correct structure is here http://www.guidetopharmacology.org/GRAC/LigandDisplayForward?tab=structure&ligandId=861

Please let me know if you would like me to draw the correct structure so it looks more professional than the link I sent. Hans Schmitthenner, Rochester Institute of Technology — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.152.17 (talk) 06:39, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

There's clearly something wrong with Wikipedia's version, the tryptophan is missing its amino group. It would be good if you could provide a correct version. Do you know the procedure for uploading a suitably-licensed image to Wikimedia Commons? Maproom (talk) 08:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

What does "pending" mean on this page. Should we tell a moderator that there is a problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.136.195 (talk) 07:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

There isn't a problem. "Pending" means that edits to the article are not effective until they have been approved by someone with "reviewer" rights. Maproom (talk) 08:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. How do we know, as editors, that we have "reviewers" rights? Do you anyone that does. Thanks 101.182.136.195 (talk) 09:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I have reviewed and approved the pending edit - it was a bot edit to update a citation with a changed (archived) URL. Experienced editors may apply for reviewer rights - see WP:Reviewing#Becoming a reviewer. You need a user account with a reasonable track record. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) As an IP i.e. someone without an account, you will never have any additional rights. As explained at Wikipedia:User access levels#Pending changes reviewer, the list of the current 6528 reviewers is at Special:ListUsers/reviewer. You can look up a user on that list, or if you have an account, and have pop-ups activated, simply hover over their user-name in a post - so if I hover over Maproom above it says "reviewer, 13264 edits since: 2006-10-19" - Arjayay (talk) 09:29, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Statistics Thanks again. Can you guys please explain how it is that all pages on Wikipedia seem to have a much, much high amount of hits than they did a couple of months ago. The whole graphics have changed too. What do the terms "dog" and "cat" mean? We would like to be able to make sense of the "new" format re. Wikipedia statistics. Thanks 101.182.136.195 (talk) 09:48, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Page view statistics used to be provided by a server in Sweden. It was not regularly maintained, and was becoming unreliable. The statistics are now provided by a different, more reliable, server provided by the Wikipedia Foundation, which does things differently. Maproom (talk) 10:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge I'm sorry to trouble you again. I recently noted that "pending" changes were eventually accepted by two editors: Roger (Dodger67) and talk; but these "acceptances" have been since been "undone" the last time I looked.

I was also going to alter one phrase in the PENDING section titled "Early Childhood". The phrase should be ..."part-weekly boarder" which is in the citation, NOT "weekly" boarder. I hope I haven't done anything wrong. and I hope that Roger (Dodger67) and Maproom can have their input reinstated and my small "part-weekly" reference added. Thanks 101.182.136.195 (talk) 10:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

SORRY

I now see that the page Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge has all of it's edits "accepted". I have consequently been able to make a small (quote) alteration - please see if all is OK and I hope it is accepted so that we can use the article at a conference here in Australia tomorrow. Thanks so much 101.182.136.195 (talk) 10:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC).

 Done Maproom (talk) 11:50, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Tool to remove spaces before and after ref tags

Is there any tool/script/addon which can automatically remove spaces before and after ref tags?-Managerarc™ ^talk 12:13, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Paul Muldoon

Hello, can the photo of Paul Muldoon at King's College London on this page be removed please as the rights for it to be used have not been given (I was involved in organising the event where it was taken) Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.73.70.95 (talk) 13:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Comment The photograph was uploaded to Commons here, by an editor who claimed it to be their own work, and agreeing to its use under the appropriate licence. However it does not include camera or other (editing etc.) details as might be expected. Eagleash (talk) 13:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Update. I have raised the matter at Commons, village pump copyvio. Eagleash (talk) 13:31, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Are you saying that the photographer didn't have the right to take the picture in the first place (for example, because event rules prohibited photos)? Or are you saying that this was illegally copied from a photograph taken by someone who wasn't the person who uploaded it here? If the latter, you'll need to show us a place on the Internet where the image was originally published, or tell us where to find this image in print. If the former, you'll need to glance at Commons:COM:NCR, which discusses our policies related to restrictions that aren't copyright-based. Either way, it would help if you could give us a few more details. Nyttend (talk) 15:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Tables as part of ordered lists

I'm looking for help embedding a table in an numbered list.

E.g.

1. Step 1

2. Step 2

Here's a table

3. Step 3

I know that I can create a table with column 1 as a step, but want to make it more user-friendly.

Any help is appruciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaleoIsh (talk • contribs) 13:25, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I looked at Help:Table but found nothing. However, then I discovered Help:List and its relevant instructions. Basically, you just make a new list after the table and use a little HTML syntax to tweak the starting number:

1. Step 1
2. Step 2

Table

3. Step 3
4. Step 4

Just be sure to use the </li> element after the first line of the post-table list, or it might make a mess. Nyttend (talk) 18:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Note: you can use <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags
to protect HTML examples from interpretation: </li>. --CiaPan (talk) 12:16, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Entries on Wikipedia

Can you have more than one entry on the same Rock Band?. One in English and one in German? or do you just enter one in English and use the language codesJVDstop (talk) 13:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

The English version would be here at en.wikipedia.org and the German version of the article would be at de.wikipedia.org. Note: The German Wikipedia has different rules, policies, and guidelines. So, for instance, a band that is considered notable there might not be notable here and vice versa. See WP:BAND for the English guideline. Dismas|^(talk) 13:46, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

See en:The Beatles and de:The Beatles for an example of how different languages' articles are set up. Nyttend (talk) 15:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

First ministry of Manmohan Singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.88.33 (talk) 13:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Before we get on to your question. Your very first edit on Wikipedia here: Suryakanta_Patil did not make sense. It is just a reference to another article without any indication of why. Therefore, it was removed. Regardles of the fact that it also contained a small formatting error. If you can tell us what you are trying to add and why, then we can help guide you to how to format it properly.

What little I can gleam from Wikipedia is:

1991 Elected to 10th Loksabha but I don't know in what capacity (MP?) nor in which district (guess that it was Nanded).,br>

1998: Elected to Hingoli

2004: Re-elected again to Hingoli

If you can confirm this, then that will be easy to show you how to add it to the section Position Held.

The only way I can see of adding your link to the First_ministry_of_Manmohan_Singh, in a way that makes sense, is to the is to add it at the end like this:

2004: Re-elected again to Hingoli under the First ministry of Manmohan Singh.

Using <ref>.....</ref> is the wrong way to link in this case.Does this help?--Aspro (talk) 16:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

File-in-use discrepancy

According to File:Phillips Corners Battlefield.jpg#File usage, this image is used at Royalton Township, Fulton County, Ohio and at Toledo War. The same information is present in the English portion of the "File usage on other wikis" section in its file description page at Commons. Nice, except it's also present at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 14, 2015, where it's transcluded by means of {{main page image}}. Why wouldn't it be listed as being in use there? It's not a different filename; clicking the image at the TFA page takes you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phillips_Corners_Battlefield.jpg. Nyttend (talk) 15:46, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nyttend: If you check the markup at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 14, 2015 you'll see that it is displaying a different image, File:Phillips Corners Battlefield TFA.jpg, while linking to File:Phillips Corners Battlefield.jpg. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Hm, you're right. I didn't know that was done; I figured any local uploads of Commons images would be performed at the same filename, and then deleted after they left the Main Page. Did December 14, 2015 follow what's normally done nowadays, or is it unusual? Nyttend (talk) 18:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nyttend: I noticed that the local image is in Category:Cropped main page images; the description there explains it. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

introducing Rodolfo Frascoli in the sub categfory italian Motorcicle Designers

Please help me undertand how to create a page for Mr.Frascoli Rodolfo an Italian motorcicles designer thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miriam Galliverti (talk • contribs) 16:36, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Read WP:Your first article and use WP:Article Wizard. You will need multiple independent reliable sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Miriam Galliverti. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please be aware of a couple of things:

• Creating a new page is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia: I always advise new editors to spend quite a bit of time improving existing articles before ever trying to create a new one.
• Wikipedia articles depend crucially on independent references. The way I would advise anybody to work on creating a new article is First to find a number of reliable published sources that discuss the subject in depth, and most of which have no connection to the subject (they don't have to be online, or in English, but they do have to have been published by someone with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking); then to write a draft entirely from what those sources say: if you can't find a piece of information in a published source, don't put it in the article.
• Work in draft space, or user space, rather than in article space, and get your draft reviewed when it is ready. Do not work on it in more than one place (I don't understand why you have just created a new draft in article space Frascoli rodolfo when you already know that there is a draft Draft:Frascoli Rodolfo, which you moved a few days ago).

Please read Your first article, which gives you a lot of useful information about this. --ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

As to why an inexperienced editor has created a draft in article space when it already is in draft space, it appears that many inexperienced editors either think that creating drafts in multiple spaces increases the likelihood of getting one of them accepted, or they simply don't understand the concept of multiple spaces. As you, ColinFine, know, I am asking the same question at the Teahouse. I concur with the comment that new editors should try to help Wikipedia by improving articles before they try creating articles, which is difficult. However, there is a widespread belief that the only way or best way to help Wikipedia is by creating new articles. This belief is probably one of the reasons why we have low editor retention of new editors, because article creation, whether in draft space or in article space, involves non-positive feedback and can be discouraging. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Galaxy World of Alisa=Real or Fake?

Hello. Recently, while looking at Voice Over profiles, I keep seeing this thing called "Galaxy World of Alisa" on most pages. I don't know if I should believe you guys or not. When I looked it up, the only thing to exist is a video with the name "Alisa" on it, but it's totally unrelated! There's not even a page on here either!

I'm so frustrated over this! I want to know if it's just clickbait because I can't take this "Real or Fake" thing anymore! Any admin active right now, please respond as soon as you can so I can know all about this, thank you.

-From Anonymous Contributor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:84:C800:E3F2:9965:DB7B:3DAA:9023 (talk) 18:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC) P.S, I'M THE SAME PERSON AS ANONYMOUS CONTRIBUTOR 73.194.46.93 WHO SENT THIS MESSAGE

• Special:WhatLinksHere/Galaxy World of Alisa shows that it's linked by six articles. Google says that there are over three thousand pages containing the string <"Galaxy World of Alisa">, but when you search for <"Galaxy World of Alisa" -wikipedia> to remove Wikipedia hits, there are about two pages of results, all autogenerated, social media, or unattributed copies of Wikipedia articles. Some of the twenty-odd hits mention it as a current TV series — but how many current English-language TV series would get so few appearances online? I too question the reality of this subject. Nyttend (talk) 18:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Turning thanks off

I am a long term editor but have been pretty infrequent in last couple of years. I see now other users can thank me for my edits - I don't like it, is it possible to disable it. I hate all that gamification sort of crap. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Cameron Scott: See WP:THANK. No need to thank me. ;) Dismas|^(talk) 19:55, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I use it very sparingly to mean "improvement noted and accepted" when someone corrects an error I've made or improves on my addition. Others have used it in a similar way to notify me. It's a sort of opposite of edit-warring. Dbfirs 09:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

I am seeking the template for when an article is undergoing a major revamping.

Don't we have a template that basically says: "This article is undergoing a major revamping."? I have seen it placed at the top of some articles that are undergoing heavy editing. And it asks other editors to be patient while the work is under construction. What is that specific template? I can't seem to find it. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: Template:Under construction or Template:In use. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Perfect - thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

How to indent in a chart column

Let's say that I have these two charts below.

Year	Name	State
2000	George Washington	Alabama
1962	Abraham Lincoln	California
1987	Thomas Jefferson	Wisconsin

Year	Name	State
2000	George Washington	Alabama
1962	Abraham Lincoln	California
1987	Thomas Jefferson	Wisconsin

The first chart is what happens when I don't type in any special code. In the second chart, I needed to type the "non-breaking space character" ( " & n b s p ; " ) several times in each entry to make that word "indent" a little bit to the right. Is there a way to create an indentation (such as in the second chart), without having to type in the "non-breaking space character" over and over? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:48, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

The relevant help is at Help:Table#Cell content indenting, but I can't see anything that does it for the whole table (or row) rather than an individual cell. - David Biddulph (talk) 22:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

(ec) You might for example add appropriate style definition to the table to tell the text the indentation:

style="text-indent: 2em;"

This however will fail for longer entries, as this attribute defines the indentation for the first line only:

Year	Name	State
2200	Zzzzzzzzzzzzz Gggggggggggggg Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Iiiiiiiiiiiiiii Jjjjjjjjjjjjjj	Ganimedia
2000	George Washington	Alabama
1962	Abraham Lincoln	California
1987	Thomas Jefferson	Wisconsin

CiaPan (talk) 23:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)What if you didn't use padding but instead centered the text? Such as

Year	Name	State
2000	George Washington	Alabama
1962	Abraham Lincoln	California
1987	Thomas Jefferson	Wisconsin

Would that give you what you're looking for? Dismas|^(talk) 23:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

I started out with "centering". And that's OK when the words are of similar length (as in the example above). But when some words are very short and some very long, the centering looks silly. See chart below. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:52, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Year	Name	State
2000	Cher	Moscow, in the United Soviet Socialist Republic
1962	The Life and Times of the First President of the United States	California
1987	Thomas Jefferson	Wisconsin

@Joseph A. Spadaro: You could also use the CSS property padding-left (see e.g. [1] and [2]), but that would be useful for a full CSS controlling scheme only. Here, in Wikipedia, you could add something like style="padding-left:1 em" to every cell, but that would be more ugly and take much more space and time than just inserting &nbsp;-s. --CiaPan (talk) 07:16, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:54, 2 March 2016 (UTC)