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January 15

Change name of Spoto Wines

Would you be able to help me change the name of the Spoto Wines page to Spoto Family Wines (add family)? The company recently added "family" to their label and I would like the article updated. Thank you! Lexi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atspoto (talk • contribs) 00:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Lexi. Did they just change the label, or the name of the business? I ask because all the references I can find still refer to it as "Spoto Wines". Even their own Web site starts out with "Welcome to Spoto Wines! Spoto Wines is a small family winery..." Similarly, all the press I could find refers to "Spoto Wines". Is there any reference to support the name change?--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:16, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

It's very new, so I'm trying to get the owner to change it on their website. As for now, the only support to prove the name change is the image I uploaded to the page. This change occurred probably six months ago, but has been taking longer to change every mention of the winery. There is also a trademark pending on the name. I will work on getting the owner to change his website, then perhaps you can change the name. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atspoto (talk • contribs) 01:48, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Lexi, I guess once the trademark becomes official would be the logical time to make the change.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:57, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. It's not the "official name" that we use for the article, it's the name that most published sources use. Maproom (talk) 08:51, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Maproom is right: See the naming convention guideline at WP:ENGLISH. —teb728 t c 09:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Also supporting that approach is Wikipedia:Moving a page#Reasons for moving a page, which says one reason to move a page is "The subject of the article has changed its name and the new name has come into majority use." In the meantime, would it be appropriate for me to create a redirect from "Sporto Family Wines"?--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: This edit didn't notify. You need to add the links and sign in the same edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about that, Redrose64 - that's a subtlety I have never come across. While on the topic, I have never understood the difference between {{u}}, {{ping}}, {{reply}} etc - people seem to use them interchangeably in discussions to notify the other person. Is there an explanation of the difference somewhere?--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

{{u}} is a redirect to {{user link}} (as are some others). It takes one or two parameters: the login name of the person you are referring to, and an optional alias. It makes a link to that user page, so {{u|Redrose64}} is identical in action to [[User:Redrose64|Redrose64]].

There's no difference at all between {{ping}} and {{reply}}, both are redirects to {{reply to}} (as are several others). It takes one to seven parameters, being the login names of up to seven people you're addressing. {{reply to}}, when given one name, is essentially the same as {{user link}} when given one name, but with a couple of extra characters (an at sign and a colon) and an enclosing <span>...</span> element, so {{reply|Redrose64}} is identical in action to <span class="template-ping">@[[:User:Redrose64|Redrose64]]:</span>.

What it comes down to is this: they all make links to user pages, and a link to a user page is an essential requirement of the notifications system. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Removing Deletion flag

My article was suggested for deletion due to the fact it had no sources. I have now added sources how do I delete the tag for deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Worobey (talk • contribs) 01:20, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

What has changed since the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tim_Fugger to make the subject of the article any more notable? If nothing, then there isn't anything that can be done to prevent the article being deleted. --ℕ ℱ 02:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

what is wikipedia?

≈ surekha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surekha surekha (talk • contribs) 09:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an on-line encyclopaedia, created and edited by volunteers from all over the world. You can click on those two words in blue to get more information. Rojomoke (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

More at WP:What is Wikipedia? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Nightwing.UK.

Hi,just reading an article on Nightwing uk and see you do not mention the Original Guitarist(Eric Percival)from 1978 to 1982 and later in 2006 on the last album 8472.Maybe an oversight on your behalf.I feel if you write something it should be written properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.141.78 (talk) 12:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. If you find a way that an article can be improved, you are welcome to edit the article; or if you are not confident in doing that, making a suggestion on the article's associated talk page is the best place. Ideally, all information in a Wikipedia article should be supported by a citation to a published source, so if you can give that, so much the better. --ColinFine (talk) 12:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

solutions to the problems of marriage/concepts of marriage

1. basis of marriage

A.what is marriage

At the creation of human beings, it was only man was first created.later no ,God saw that it was not the man to be living alone and wished he created a helpmate for him.He did make a helpmate for the man and she was called woman because she had been out of man. Thus, woman was created to assist man in all his endeavors. The promise of God as to bring up children, and so on is secondary issue.

b.THE ERRONEOUS MOTIVES TO MARRIAGE

( a) Many people do marry so as ton see someone to be preparing food for them. therefore, such treat their wives as a slaves. This is very wrong motive to marriage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lightofgod23 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Humans were created by evolution. Anyway, this help desk is for questions related to editing and using Wikipedia. Though general knowledge questions are welcome at the reference desk, I think you would need to refine any question in the same vein if you wanted to ask it there.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, is there a way to block a page from being edited?

what can we do if statements of fact are being edited on a page we have an interest in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbrownnason (talk • contribs) 13:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I've replied two sections below this one since I saw that one first... Dismas|^(talk) 13:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Taharrush gamea

Hi, the Swedish page on Taharrush gamea is not correct. It has different arabic words and is more biased than the English.

A user called Yger is constantly erasing a more correct version and fuller (based upon the English) is taken away immediately.

Now, he has edited more than 200.000 articles priory and I none so how should one therefore edit for example the incorrect naming of the subject in arabic from the start? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabehdin (talk • contribs) 13:10, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. We have no control over the Swedish Wikipedia. See sv:Wikipedia:Begäran om åtgärder.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, is there a way to block a page from being edited?

Dbrownnason (talk) 13:11, 15 January 2016 (UTC)what can we do if statements of fact are being changed on a page we have an interest in?

(edit conflict) Hi, Dbrownnason. Pages on Wikipedia can only be protected. Protection is only performed on articles that require it in order to prevent harm to the article; it's not done as a precautionary measure. The typical reasons are persistent vandalism, or to stop conduct disputes and edit wars by multiple users so that they'll seek consensus. You can request protection by clicking here. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

@Dbrownnason: You could request page protection at WP:RFPP. Though because you keep using the word "we", I'm guessing you want to read the conflict of interest guideline first. Followed by Wikipedia:Username policy to see that more than one person should not be using the same account to edit. Dismas|^(talk) 13:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

After looking into your edits, I see you might be referring to this edit. You replaced information which had a reference with information that lacked a reference. If information is to remain, a reliable source must be provided. Dismas|^(talk) 13:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Problems with my article

Hello,

I have recently posted a Wikipedia entry on Sadie Morgan (Sadie Morgan).

Despite many attempts to ensure it is written in the NPOV, Wikipedia still insists it is written in a way that promotes or advertises the subject.

Please could you provide some guidance as to what specifically is triggers this problem.

Many thanks.

Ann — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.133.18.170 (talk) 14:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Ann. That tag was placed there by NeemNarduni2 when the article was quite new, and there have been many changes since then. So it may be worth contacting him/her at User Talk:NeemNarduni2 to ask whether the tag still applies, and if so then what are some specific examples. BTW, I not that the photo used in the article has been nominated for deletion; it is a copyrighted image and cannot be used here.--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:58, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Quick note: @62.133.18.170: Please review WP:OWN, just so you're aware. Cheers, Mlpearc (open channel) 22:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

A free photo to Maria Farantouri

Does anyone know where we can get an applicable and free picture of Maria Farantouri to Wikimedia Commons? The photo of the article is quite bad and old. Or is there any free photos over there? Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lentokenttä (talk • contribs) 15:23, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

There only appears to be one picture of her in Commons, Lentokenttä, which is presumably the one you are talking about, though it is not used in the en.Wikipedia article and never has been as far as I can see. It is usually difficult to find free photos of current people, unless you are able and willing to go and take one yourself, or get somebody else to. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Uploading pictures

Wikipedia asks many questions during picture upload. I closed the page instead of uploading. Is there any shortcut way, where I can directly upload picture and add details later on. As we can create redirect and edit the redirect into an article? --Marvel Hero (talk) 17:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

@Marvel Hero: Not as far as I know. Lots of people omit to answer the questions - which are not optional - thus the system forces one to answer them.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Those questions are for a legal purpose, Marvel Hero:without them, Wikipedia does not know whether it is legal to have the image there at all. So I guess the implementors of that portion wanted to make sure that the questions would always be asked. --ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

One reason the questions need to be answered is due to ....and add details later on never happens. Mlpearc (open channel) 18:19, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Marvel Hero. Yes you can easily bypass the guided upload wizard (both here and at the Commons). But you really should only do so if you are quite clear on the templates, information and copyright licensing (or fair use scheme) you will be placing. When you are at the upload page, click on "Plain form for local uploads" under the Wikipedia section of the "Uploading media files" box in the center of the page.

You shouldn't add the "details later on", but right in the upload. It's often good to first find a local file (i.e. not a Wikimedia Commons file) you think is very similar in terms of its licensing to the one you are going to be uploading. Once you find one, click edit on that file page and copy its details, then paste into the form presented to you, tailor for your purposes, and upload away.

I do not know what you are asking when you say: "As we can create redirect and edit the redirect into an article". An uploaded image will not normally be redirected in any way. It will be placed using normal image syntax, or without that, in an infobox field. By the way who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts may not be shared by a group, but must represent an individual. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:23, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I think Marvel Hero is talking about a rather unorthodox way of creating articles, by first creating a redirect, and then editing it, Fuhghettaboutit. I don't know why they should want to do that. And I took "we" as "we Wikipedia editors", not as a multiple user of an account. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

dubious about B. Alijani

Hello,

This page appeared in recent deaths on wikidata. While trying to check data about birth and death, I found that reference n°2 is highly dubious to me. It is in arabic, which could be alright, but seems to be an ad for blue jeans, which is strange for a scientist :(

Could someone please check this page for reliability. Not even sure the person exists. Could not find his/her name anywhere…

Also the text looks like a bad machine translation :( --Hsarrazin (talk on wd) 22:51, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I suspect the references are in Farsi, not Arabic. I have supplied his given name, with a citation (so the blue jeans ad is now no. 3). I suspect the article is valid, but the machine translation is horrible. Maproom (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Is he really dead in 2014 ? (cat. only) --Hsarrazin (talk on wd) 01:07, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Damian Aspinall

Please check ref. number 9 on the above page - it is form an old newspaper (verifiable) but in a new digital format. Please fix up how to this ref. correctly. Thanks 139.216.210.155 (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done I've tweaked up the ref a bit. I removed the quote as it's clear in the linked article. Could be put back if another editor so desires. Eagleash (talk) 23:54, 15 January 2016 (UTC)