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June 4

Referencing errors on Model Penal Code

Reference help requested. hi

i don't know how to get rid of the ref error Thanks, 2601:645:8201:A6B9:1DD1:9C15:C480:FCD (talk) 01:17, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

Eagleash (talk) 01:26, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

f word

should editors particularly be using the 'f' word on Wikipedia talk pages etc? I don't care for it...see the above "due process of blocks" thread (penultimate post)...this person used it at least one other time on "black supremacy" talk toward another editor...anyway, I can't find "wp: civil" right now because when I search for it nothing comes up etc....68.48.241.158 (talk) 01:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I found wp:uncivil..looks like it qualifies as "uncivil"...I've never seen another editor use the word toward other editors in discussion on Wikipedia..68.48.241.158 (talk) 02:23, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Here's a link for ya: WP:CIVIL. Dismas|^(talk) 04:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

ya, I found that...I was thinking of informing him that he shouldn't be generally running around using the 'f' word on Wikipedia...would that be true though? I haven't seen others doing that..68.48.241.158 (talk) 11:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

The consensus I've usually seen is that saying "fuck" or "fucking" by itself is not considered a violation of WP:CIVIL, unless you address someone with that word or direct it at them in some way. WP:NOTCENSORED is usually cited for why we don't spank users just for fucking swearing (to provide an example of using the word without directing it at someone). Ian.thomson (talk) 11:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Addendum: Well, even what I just said isn't a blanket rule. If I said that someone was "a fucking amazing editor," no one would really complain about that. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:56, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I'd say in the context I've seen him using it is fairly uncivil...I'd also say that using it even in a friendly way is not particularly part of the Wikipedia culture I've observed..68.48.241.158 (talk) 12:37, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

"drop the fucking WP:Stick" is not the epitome of WP:CIVIL, but in that case "fuck" is directed at the proverbial stick. Honestly, the language doesn't matter as much as the bad attitude I'm seeing from both of y'all in that conversation. Civility isn't simply about appearances (which you're trying to enforce), but attitude. If two users are collaborating in a mutually enjoyable way (and not violating some other policy like BLP), they could put "fucking" in front of almost every verb and noun in their talk page posts and still meet WP:CIVIL. If two users are using the politest language possible but otherwise trying to get each other in trouble, they are not being civil. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:47, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

the editor had acted generally uncivil over at "black supremacy" talk (toward another editor), where his behavior was criticized by other editors and myself..he then came over here to be aggressive toward me with the 'f' word etc...but I don't really care 'to get him in trouble'...I was thinking of telling him to chill on 'f' word but I suppose I won't even do that..68.48.241.158 (talk) 13:13, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Info you didn't know

In the drug abuse world,the term "running colors" means the i.v. use of l.s.d. Pete Cronell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:585:8400:7AC0:BC65:A07E:676F:C01A (talk) 06:44, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm guessing you think this information should be added to an article, but you haven't told us which article. if you think you can improve an article, you are welcome to edit the article to do so, or to suggest an improvement on the article's talk page. But all information should be backed up by references to reliable published sources: can you find somewhere where a major newspaper or a book from a reputable publisher discusses this term? If not, it shouldn't go into Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 08:22, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I have removed the email address from your question to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:44, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Where to categorise Ships built in the United States Virgin Islands?

I categorised Commons:Category:Ships built in the United States Virgin Islands‎ in Commons:Category:Ships built in the United States by state Is it correct? --Stunteltje (talk) 07:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

This is the help desk for the English Wikipedkia. Commons is a separate site, and you should ask your question at the Commons:Help Desk. Rojomoke (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Guy Stockwell, Dean Stockwell

In all your postings regarding Guy and Dean Stockwell, you have listed in error that their mother was Nina Olivette. Guy and Dean's mother was Elizabeth Veronica Stockwell, Harry Stockwell's first wife. She was the comedienne, singer and toe dancer vaudevillian, having her two sons in NY, having her sons discovered by MGM talent scouts on Broadway as young boys. Nina Olivette is inaccurately listed as having a birth name of Elizabeth Margaret Veronica and she should be listed as Harry's second wife, long after his divorce from Elizabeth Stockwell. I am Guy Stockwell's daughter, Vickie Stockwell, and would appreciate that these corrections be made to my family's history on your website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.114.185 (talk) 10:14, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I have copied the above to the talk pages of the articles Guy Stockwell and Dean Stockwell. I hope that editors who are watching those pages will respond. Maproom (talk) 11:30, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Meanwhile, I've removed the parentage claim because the dates just don't sound likely. We await good references. Dbfirs 18:26, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

How to create links from a file with the names of the wiki pages to the pages from the offline version of a wiki, and a what is the best way to create offline versions of wiki for this aim?

1 part of the question. How to match the names of the pages located in https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/latest/enwiki-latest-all-titles-in-ns0.gz file links to wiki pages themselves. In other words, how to make links from the file (for example Excel or Word) to pages or names in the Internet version of the wiki or copied to the hard disk?

2 part of the question. How to make a copy of the Wikipedia (offline mode) so that you can from a Word or Excel file, which has a list of all the pages (from https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/latest/enwiki-latest-all-titles-in- file ns0.gz) get on offline Wikipedia page, located on your hard drive, by clicking on the links that we get by solving 1 part of the question. In other words, what are the ways to make the offline version of Wikipedia on your hard drive so that it satisfies the conditions above?

3 part of the question. Is it possible to create offline versions of the above-mentioned wiki on the phone / tablet based on Android OS? --95.55.135.192 (talk) 11:07, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Nobody's answered this, so I'll try; but I don't fully understand what you are asking (and I've never looked at the Wikipedia dumps). I suspect you'll find most of the answers at WP:Download. --ColinFine (talk) 18:59, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Like Colin, I was hoping that some expert would answer your question about links, but for question 3, please note that the full download of Wikipedia articles without history, images, talk pages or user pages is nearly 50 Gigabytes, so an ordinary phone or basic tablet will probably not cope with this size of file. Dbfirs 19:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Revised article

Dear Sirs,

I have revised my article and can I post it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawrencelaw22 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Lawrencelaw22, I for one have no idea what article you're talking about. There are some edits in your history but all that I see are already in the the Wikipedia mainspace. So, unless you're a lot more specific, we can't really give you a good answer. Dismas|^(talk) 14:40, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Herein below is my revised article. I delete the part previously included in the last para. of my last article which some editors described as promotional or otherwise controversial.

Article text

Hong Kong's Anti-Discrimination Ordinances Both section 21 in Part III and section 28 in Part IV of the Sex Discrimination Ordinance (Cap. 480) provide that: (1) Subject to subsection (2), without prejudice to the operation of the other provisions of this Part in relation to the Government, it is unlawful for the Government to discriminate against a woman in the performance of its functions or the exercise of its powers. (2) Subsection (1) shall not render unlawful- (a) as regards a woman not having the right to enter and remain in Hong Kong, any act done under any immigration legislation governing entry into, stay in and departure from Hong Kong; or (b) any act done in relation to a woman if it was necessary for that act to be done in order to comply with a requirement of an existing statutory provision. Provisions in identical terms appear also in the Disability Discrimination Ordinance (Cap. 487) (section 21), Family Status Discrimination Ordinance (Cap. 527) (section 17) and Race Discrimination Ordinance (Cap. 602) (section 55). Accordingly, unlike other provisions of the ordinances which render unlawful only the prescribed acts, the provisions render unlawful all discriminatory conduct in the performance of government functions and the exercise of government powers. It is important to note that a person will have protection against discrimination under the four identical ordinances only if he/she is discriminated against on the prohibited grounds. There is no protection for discrimination on other grounds such as age and religion. However, if the discriminator is the government or other public authority, such person can arguably rely on the equality provision (i.e. art. 22) of the Bill of Rights of the Bill of Rights Ordinance, Cap. 383 under section 8, which states:- "Article 22 Equality before and equal protection of law All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination on any ground such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status." The aforesaid Bill of Rights binds the Government, see section 7, which provides:- " This Ordinance binds only- (a) the Government and all public authorities; and (b) any person acting on behalf of the Government or a public authority. (2) In this section- "person" (人) includes any body of persons, corporate or unincorporate." Hence, the equality provision provides that all persons are equal under the law and are entitled, without discrimination, to the equal protection of law. In this respect the law prohibits all discrimination and guarantees to all persons equal and effect protection on any ground including the above-mentioned grounds. Since a person who is being discriminated against on the ground of sex, marital status, pregnancy, disability, family status or race has a right to legal relief, such right should not be denied to other persons discriminated against on other grounds. Further, article 1(1) of the Bill of Rights stipulates that the rights recognised in the Bill of Rights shall be enjoyed without distinction of any kind such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. See reference: http://www.hk-lawyer.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawrencelaw22 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Lawrencelaw22. I'm sorry,but I'm not going to attempt to read a wall of text (which is what you have presented here because you are not using Wikipedia's markup for formatting). This is not the right place for a draft article. Please study your first article, and then use the articles for creation process, to create a draft with proper formatting, and in the right place. Then somebody can review it. --ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

There is a previous thread about this article at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2016 May 28#Why speedy deletion? It was previously deleted as copy-vio and advice given. I'm not sure anything has changed in that respect. It was also suggested that you find an article about a similar subject and look at how they are laid out using, as Colin Fine suggests, the proper Wiki mark-up. Eagleash (talk) 19:22, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the article: Long Day's Journey into Night

The title is incorrect: the word "Into" should be capitalized. It's always capitalized everywhere else, on the cover of the book (as seen in the image on the article), on posters, in the body of the article -- everywhere. No one denies that the letter "I" should be capitalized. The error looks foolish, and it causes consternation for Wiki editors who feel that titles should accord with the article itself. Discussion would surely be a waste of time. The problem is that no one knows how to change the title of an article. If anybody knows, could you please tell me, and I'll do it. Thanks very much. DagSkaal (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't agree that "the error looks foolish", DagSkaal; and if Wiki editors feel consternation at that slight inconsistency, I can't imagine what they feel at other places in Wikipedia. Once of the references (the Style Weekly review) also uses a lower case 'i'. But I don't think anybody will object if you move the page (which is how you change the page title). --ColinFine (talk) 20:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia convention is that we usually don't capitalise prepositions, so this article was moved from the capitalised version on August 11, 2007‎ by Anthony Appleyard. The move should be discussed before moving back. Dbfirs 20:57, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Composition titles for the convention. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:14, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Some Wikipedians have very strong opinions on whether "into" in the name of a work should be capitalised. Maproom (talk) 22:26, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I would certainly argue this with someone, somewhere. But I discovered some “talk page” arguments of a similar case in a Star Trek title (that are referred to just above). Those arguments exist in multiple archives (!) and each archive is a mountain of words. And those mountains — though composed in good faith! — are horrible to read. I’m going to bail on the whole thing. Sincere thanks to the above editors for their consideration and suggestions. DagSkaal (talk) 00:24, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

I am trying to change the page of Lottie Deno and put my book first in the reference list as I did write the very first book on Lottie Dno following the very first book ever written by Marvin J. Hunter. I wrote Lottie Deno: Gambling Queen of Hearts, Clear Light Press 1995. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WriterRose (talk • contribs) 23:30, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

WriterRose, your book mention was removed here because it was seen as a vanity edit by Orangemike. Wikipedia is not a platform to advertise your book. That said, I don't see why your book couldn't be listed if it was actually being used as a reference for something in the Lottie Deno article. Dismas|^(talk) 14:38, 5 June 2016 (UTC)