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March 11

Comments on already-archived ANI

If I make a comment on an incident that was already archived, what should I do? Should I cut-paste it back into the main page? Thanks. Klortho (talk) 01:46, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I believe you would have to start a new discussion and link to the previous one. Comments are not supposed to be added to closed or 'hatted' posts. Eagleash (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I have tried several times unsuccessfully to set up an article.

To Whom it may Concern,

I am not a total novice when it comes to computers, but this somehow is beyond me. I was able to set one up on Facebook, but here there is just not enough help and guidelines how to do it. Here is our Page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AlbaPATEX/

The Company was established in 1841 and closed it's doors in 1997. I used to work there and I have hundreds of pictures and basically I know and studied the history of the company. I would like to set up the Article under the name of "Pamuttextil Művek" Felmayer Factory was the original company from 1841, but the company is well known in Hungary as PATEX or Pamuttextil Művek. I would like to start with an English Article and later translate the page in to Hungarian. Can someone help me please?

Thank you very much,

Adam Csernay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.7.160 (talk) 02:16, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

• Hi 68.198.7.160. Would you like to check out WP:Your first article? It contains instructions on how to create a new article, specially your first article. You can also checkout WP:Article wizard. It too would be really helpful. If it's not, do again post here and someone will help. Xender Lourdes (talk) 02:33, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I have removed your email address to protect your privacy -- John of Reading (talk) 07:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Someone without permission edited a client of mine's page

Hi my name is Sam and I work for a publicity company in Los Angeles. While looking at one of our clients pages I saw that someone who does not work at my company edited it. How can I make sure that does not happen? Thank you so much! -Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Primepr01 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

@Primepr01: I think you have completely the wrong idea of what Wikipedia is. Your clients and you do not own the rights to edit the articles about them. See WP:OWN. Also, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a means of promotion. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. Wikipedia is no more a promotional tool than the Encyclopedia Britannica that you may have used in grade school. As it says at Wikipedia:About, Wikipedia is "based on a model of openly editable content". Which means that anyone can edit any article (though some exceptions are made such as articles which are protected due to vandalism and the like). And finally, editing of articles about people and things which you have a strong connection to is frowned upon. See WP:COI. Dismas|^(talk) 03:34, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

@Primepr01: you have a financial stake in promoting your artists. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization, directly or indirectly, to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Primepr01. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Help desk/Archives|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. Please provide the required disclosure, and note your COI on each of your clients' articles you edit. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message.

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:39, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

@Primepr01: You have completely misunderstood Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, not a promotional platform. Articles are public, not proprietary. Working for someone with a Wikipedia article does not put you in a position to require "permission" from anyone. Being someone with a Wikipedia article does not put you in such a position either. If there's anyone here that shouldn't be editing the articles, it's you and the people you work for. JIP | Talk 20:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I thought I said that. Dismas|^(talk) 00:44, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

• More to the point. Why is it that anyone that chooses a career in the entertainment field (and their agents) believe they are entitled to have their CV on Wikipedia when they are not anyway notable in the WP sense? What is notable about a two minute appearance in a sit-com – where all they have to say (if they get any lines at all) is to mutter is “ Uhmm, I donow stranger... I'm stranger here myselffff” -with a suggestive wink in the strangers direction. Look at the number of actors in the US, Canada, Europe, India, China. It amounts to not tens of thousand but millions. If they want a free CV host, then they should create one themselves. As is sometimes said: if someone's notable they have a Wikipedia page already, if they don't their not notable yet. Sure, one of these might turn out to be the next Clint Eastwood (Oh, that has just conjured up in my mind of him pointing a magnum between my eyes and saying so you think someone else could take my place - you punk) but you get the picture. Notable people in the entertainment should have articles because of their notable presence. How do we go about deleting Primepr01 articles until her clients do something WP notable. --Aspro (talk) 18:11, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Primepr01 has not created any articles and the few article they have edited are about screenwriters, not actors. Not saying that their edits were good but this criticism is slightly off-target. Rmhermen (talk) 23:43, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Scriptwriters are still part of the entertainment industry. If they had the stature of Federico Fellini, Francis Ford Coppola, Wes Anderson and Gore Vidal (if your memory stretches back that far). Then, I would be the first to create a page – but they already have one each. I'm talking about modern screenwriters that are notable for standing out and above the rest of the crowd. Also, if their work was that notable, why do they need paid for editor PR agents?--Aspro (talk) 13:54, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Be careful...

It wouldn't be difficult for any reasonably experienced editor to create an account that simulates the appearance of a promotional SPA, and use it to discredit a individual, organization or their PR agency by making ham-fisted changes to articles and/or complaints like this one. In this instance I've no reason to doubt that the account Primepr01 is anything other than what they claim. But we should be careful how we react to situations like this. On the Internet, no one knows you're a cat pretending to be a dog... - Pointillist (talk) 23:41, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Article Deletion

I am a manager for an artist. He has a wiki page that is going to be deleted... I NEED TO HELP HIM!

He is being falsely accused of not being too "popular". When he has a website, dozens of tracks and thousands of fans.

The link: Steve Wilks (musician)

Please let me know what I can do to keep the article online!

Thank you

174.113.211.25 (talk) 03:21, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Please see my response to the question immediately above yours on this page. The part about promotion applies here. As does the notability criteria for musicians which can be found at WP:BAND. Dismas|^(talk) 03:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

174.113.211.25 and also see my COI notice in the question above Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Should I add deleted content to a deletion review request?

I created a userbox which was subsequently deleted by another user. I think he made a mistake, so I'm going to post to WP:DRV with my reasoning (I'm also trying one last time to get him to discuss the issue, but I don't hold out much hope). Should I post the text of the userbox along with with my reasoning? Or is it expected that anyone participating in DRV can see deleted content? Dingsuntil (talk) 06:03, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

No, you shouldn't. If the exact contents are relevant to the discussion, and it isn't prohibited content, an admin will temp undelete it for the duration. (...and if it's one of the userboxes in your deleted contribs, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.) —Cryptic 08:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I'll have you know I worked my way though college as a pearl diver. Dingsuntil (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Workshop

I plan to do a outreach workshop to introduce Wikipedia to journalism students, during which 10 participants who will registered users (I've asked them to create accounts before the workshop) are likely to edit from the same IP address, I have done similar workshops at other places, and am aware that permission can be sought so that the said address may not be blocked, for the duration of the workshop, however this part was done by someone else, I wonder how to go about it? Please help. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 06:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I think WP:ASSIGN is a good place to start, lots of advice there. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. CaptRik (talk) 13:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry but it doesn't. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:49, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Mass decapitalization bot?

Almost every result table for MMA articles improperly uses capital letters for weight classes. It's a lot of boring work for a human to fix them all, especially while people are reverting, purely for consistency. Is there script that can do this quickly to a whole category or list? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

@InedibleHulk: this is actually a bit tricky. While editing a whole category isn't inherently tricky (although I don't know of any prefab tool which would do it; I'd just drive a browser), the rule for decapitalizing isn't as straightforward as it sounds. The first article I found with an error was Shane Carwin. This contains

• "Carwin wrestled in college, becoming a two-time NCAA Division II Wrestling National Runner-Up as a Heavyweight" which is an error.
• "Shane Bannister Carwin[3] (born January 4, 1975) is a retired American mixed martial artist who competed in the Heavyweight division" which I think is an error (although maybe it's a proper name here).
• "Carwin fought former UFC Heavyweight Champion Frank Mir" which I don't think is an error.
• "Division: Heavyweight (265 lb)" Which isn't an error (it's just capitalized as if it were the first word of a sentence).

There may be other corner cases as well. Dingsuntil (talk) 07:10, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

That second one's a major peeve, and yeah, an error. Weight divisions are only uppercase when part of a championship title. So three's good.

I accidentally left a word out above; should be MMA event articles. Mostly concerned about the two-word divisions (Light Heavyweight, Women's Bantamweight, Women's Strawweight). Every instance of that has no place in an English encyclopedia. Though if you want to help fix it in fighter articles, I won't stop you.

Not sure what "driving a browser" means, but if it's simple, that's cool. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

(puts on sunglasses) It's simple for me.

Actually, that makes it much possible. If you edit e.g. UFC 104, you see you're looking for the text between the strings "{{MMAevent}}" and "{{MMAevent end", and within that, you're looking for patterns of the form "{{MMAevent bout|X|", where X is a weight class that needs to be decapitalized. That's assuming they all use the same set of templates, of course, and they might not.

In any case, such a bot would require approval. If I actually ran it, I'd probably be banned. You might look into AutoWikiBrowser or its various derivatives (see Wikipedia:Tools/Editing_tools). Also, check out Wikipedia:Bot_requests. Dingsuntil (talk) 08:37, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm too hip for Windows, and too dumb for Wine (anything Unix-like, really). But I can make a formal bot request. I think. I could also take the blame, if you should "accidentally" press the big red button before then. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:00, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

It's not a matter of taking the blame. Operating a bot without permission is verboten, even if I managed not to fuck anything up, and it'd be obvious that I was unless I took the trouble to camouflage the bot, which is more trouble than I'm willing to go to. I think we should just make a "bot" request to do this.

Aye, probably tomorrow. There's a guy undoing my manual labour, simply because I haven't gotten the rest yet. Sisyphean nonsense. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

@InedibleHulk: If you have problems with Sisyphean nonsense, wikipedia may not be for you. Dingsuntil (talk) 07:45, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, this place will be a work in progress forever. Doomed, I tell ya! But that's cool. I've been chipping away at it this long, I've sort of forgotten how to stop. I'll stick around for a bit longer. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Please help - ref number 150 is not good. Thanks 101.182.97.203 (talk) 08:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

It looks like a cached copy of the Times obituary which might not be accessible to all, both because it is a cached doc. and the Times requires subscription also. Eagleash (talk) 09:04, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

The fact that it may be inaccessible to some people does not invalidate its use as a reference. Unique sources that are found in only one place such as a library, museum or archive are regularly used as sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:36, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I did not (intentionally) imply that it did. Eagleash (talk) 08:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Tim Wilson (politician)

Reference help requested. how do I fix the reference link? It seems impossible to go back and fix... Thanks, Pasha4russia (talk) 11:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Date parameters fixed by Keith D in subsequent edit: oldid=709393403.

However the <ref> contains an URL with Russian (cyryllic) characters in the domain name : http://мпгу.рф/...

Possibly that causes the warning message Check |url= value and I have no idea how to make the warning disappear. --CiaPan (talk) 11:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

This template highlights a weakness in the cs1|2 url validation code:

{{Cite web|url=http://мпгу.рф/novosti/professoru-oksforda-timoti-eriku-uilsonu-prisvoeno-zvanie-pochetnogo-professora-mpgu/|title= Профессору Оксфорда Тимоти Эрику Уилсону присвоено звание Почетного профессора МПГУ (Russian: Oxford Professor Timothy Eric Wilson was awarded the title of Honorary Professor of Moscow State Pedagogical University)|last=Semenov|first=Alexei|date=29 February 2016|website=Видеоматериал подготовлен отделом видеотехнологий Управления маркетинга и коммуникаций МПГУ|publisher=Moscow State Pedagogic University|access-date=10 March 2016| language=ru}}

Semenov, Alexei (29 February 2016). "Профессору Оксфорда Тимоти Эрику Уилсону присвоено звание Почетного профессора МПГУ (Russian: Oxford Professor Timothy Eric Wilson was awarded the title of Honorary Professor of Moscow State Pedagogical University)". Видеоматериал подготовлен отделом видеотехнологий Управления маркетинга и коммуникаций МПГУ (in Russian). Moscow State Pedagogic University. Retrieved 10 March 2016. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)

The validation code will never recognize domain names like мпгу.рф (non-Latin scripts) but after the next update will recognize internationalized domain names. The internationalized |url= value is:

|url=http://xn--c1arjr.xn--p1ai/novosti/professoru-oksforda-timoti-eriku-uilsonu-prisvoeno-zvanie-pochetnogo-professora-mpgu/.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:37, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

How to enable project tags on GLAM page?

Hello, I'm a Wikipedia-in-residence for Brigham Young University. I'm trying to make a GLAM project page for editing work associated with our library (and a place to organize events like an edit-a-thon). I've noticed that other GLAM pages can tag a page on its talk page to mark it as a page they're interested in improving or keeping track of. I think an admin has to enable this for my project? Can you please enable this or help me understand the proper procedure for GLAM pages? I'm also not sure if a GLAM project has to fulfill the same criteria as a WikiProject (i.e., if I need to have at least 11 interested users before the project can be approved). Thanks Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Can you clarify what you mean by "tag a page on its talk page"? Please, provide an example of talk page. Ruslik_Zero 19:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes. For example, on Talk:Benjamin_Henry_Latrobe, you can see that the page is of interest to many WikiProjects, and also the Smithsonian Institution Archives Project. Talk:Guy_Anderson also has a wiki-project-like categorization under the Archives of American Art project. With these tags, it's easy for the GLAM project pages to show the status of pages related to their interests. Does that help to clarify? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:20, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Android issues

For the last few days I have been unable to access most wikipedia pages after searching via Google. I am instead forced to a page that contains only a button to install an app. If I change my user agent to desktop, it works just fine. Am I to understand that this is intentional? Why do I need to install your software to view information that, up until a few days ago, I needed no software to access? What does Wikipedia intend to do with access to my location and media files and how can that be relevant to my recent search for phase locked oscillators? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ares 6815 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I've no problem in accessing Wikipedia via Google on an Android device, though I do recall some time ago having the same problem as you. I think I uninstalled something to get rid of it. There is an official Wikipedia app that was updated on February 15th. You can see the Privacy policy at Wikimedia.org, but there is no need for you to install any app to access Wikipedia. Other apps are available but I wouldn't recommend them. Dbfirs 21:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Fittipaldi FD

Hello, this page has recently been created, by moving an existing page, and then merging three other pages into it. The talk-page now looks poor with four 'merged from' banners / tags, but though I've tried I can't seem to make a 'shell' to incorporate all the pre-existing articles. Can anyone help out. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 18:09, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I used {{Copied multi/Merged-from}} in [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Excellent. I knew there had to be a way: Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 20:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)