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April 5

Unrelated text keeps getting added

Could someone please take a look at Imagination Station. A large block of text about 'Waloo-Foods' was put into the middle. I have already reverted it once and now it is back under a slightly different IP address. I checked the museum website and googled Waloo-Foods to make sure that I wasn't missing anything obvious, but didn't find anything at all. The note that I put on the first editor's talk page has not been answered. Thanks, Leschnei (talk) 01:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

The text was originally added on April 1st, so I suppose it is supposed to be humorous. Leschnei (talk) 01:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

how to improve "nationality" in Wikipedia article

In an article on a person, wrong nationality specified but no "nationality" in wiki-text. How it can be improved? --Upholder~ruwiki (talk) 08:06, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

It sounds like you see something in the article text that you disagree with, but don't see it in an "infobox" (help) -- or vice versa. Either way, the most important thing is to be able to cite a reliable source (footnote--maybe more than one) that supports an assertion about a person's nationality. This can be a sensitive and controversial subject, so the other important thing is to be prepared to discuss the issue on the article's Talk page. If you want to add the name of a nationality to an Infobox, you can simply "edit this page" and make the change at nationality = type name here within the infobox. Again, be ready to discuss the matter if other editors have different ideas, or sources. DonFB (talk) 09:08, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@Upholder~ruwiki: Which article and which nationality change? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:13, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

French Croix De Guerre Medal

Hello,

During my genealogy research, I've run across proof that my great-aunt's husband was awarded this prestigious medal. I have a digital copy of a newspaper article dated 23 Nov 1928 that describes the exploits of Joel Motley, recipient. The article also mentions a "young Teddy Roosevelt". I sincerely believe that Joel Motley deserves his place on the following page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croix_de_Guerre

The medal is described as:

"The French Croix de Guerre (Cross of War) is a French Military award commonly bestowed upon foreign military forces. Created in 1915 it can either be awarded as a unit award or as an individual award for distinguished service for acts of heroism during combat with the enemy. In the United States military it is one of the hardest awards to verify. This is because foreign awards were not typically entered onto personal records following World War II and was further made difficult by the 1973 fire at the National Archives." Croix de Guerre

Besides his valor during WWI, he is the grand-father of Joel Wilson Motley III[1], my 2nd cousin and Co-Chair of the Human Rights Watch Board of Directors. HIS mother is Constance_Baker_Motley.

I'm asking for help because I would like the attributions to be done correctly by someone with experience in this area. Comments and assistance are greatly appreciated! I've unsuccessfully tried to upload the article. Please excuse any errors I may have made here.

Sincerely,

Chris Wilson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwvegas (talk • contribs) 10:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Chris: the Croix de Guerre article does not (and probably does not attempt to) list all of the recipients, rather it lists the "notable recipients" where "notable" has the special in-Wikipedia meaning of "having (or being eligible for) their own Wikipedia article". You'll see that nearly all those listed have their names wikilinked to their own articles.

In order to be added to the list in the Croix de Guerre article, therefore, Joel Motley ought properly to first have a separate Wikipedia article written about him, but only if he merits an article independently of his having been awarded the Croix de Guerre. Note that having relatives with their own articles does not in itself enhance his eligibility, but it might be appropriate to mention him in one or more of theirs.

It may well be that he does merit his own article, in which case you could do one or more of the following:

• Go to the Wikipedia:Requested articles page and request one, following as far as possible the instructions about providing suitable references from Reliable Sources. Your newspaper article is an excellent source for his award, but other references from published sources will be needed for his other achievements and details.
• Write and submit the article yourself, although this is very difficult for an inexperienced editor: see Wikipedia: your first article for a starting point.
• Add a line to the Croix de Guerre lists for Joel Motley in the same style as those already there, and wikilink his name by putting double square brackets around it, thus: [[Joel Motley]]. This will make his name appear in red like this – Joel Motley –(because there is no such article to link to) which signals that someone (you) thinks he should have one, and may encourage someone else to write it. You should also add a section to the article's Talk page explaining what you've done and why, which will discourage others from simply reverting your change.

I hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.3.250 (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Why my page has always been deleted ?

I would like to ask for any suggestions to improve the page that I would like to create.I am a new creator and would like to ask some suggestion to improve my article, Ive been trying to improve it from a very long article to small and general one, Is there anyway to retrieved the deleted articles with suggestions to improve.

15:06, 4 April 2017 Jimfbleak (talk | contribs) deleted page Christian Rodwell (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

13:01, 30 March 2017 RickinBaltimore (talk | contribs) deleted page Christian Rodwell (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

12:40, 30 March 2017 Jimfbleak (talk | contribs) deleted page Christian Rodwell (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

Thank you so much for your help.

Jassie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jassiemine (talk • contribs) 10:47, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Have you tried not using the page for promotion? Because Wikipedia is not for promotion. Oh, and Wikipedia's not for sockpuppets of blocked accounts either. Good day! Ian.thomson (talk) 10:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Ian.thomson Hey there. Can you better explain all that went on here? I'm not able to follow the trail as easily as you. Thank. Maineartists (talk) 12:32, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Christian Rodwell was originally created by Ellapi. It was undeniably an advertisement for Rodwell's "advice." Jassiemine's account was created after Ellapi was blocked and their only action was to recreate the article (again, advertising). Jassie then came here and asked why the page "has always been deleted" (indicating that she is aware that it's been deleted more than once). Not "has been deleted," but "always been deleted." She also demonstrates knowledge of the previous forms of the article "from a very long article." And given the nature of the original article, if Jassiemine isn't Ellapi, then they're co-workers or otherwise co-shills of Rodwell. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:48, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Hm. I see. Had anyone familiar with the ins-and-outs of WP explained all this to the editor(s) in-depth on their talk page before deleting their page 3 times? or advise about the risks of sock-puppetry with them? or was it merely a summary line? It seems like a lot of "assuming" going on by the experts. Just wondering. I'm seeing a little bit more "good faith" errors without full education than devious undermining of the system. But I'm probably wrong ... Maineartists (talk) 13:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

The original article was undeniably meant to promote Rodwell's career as a "development coach." Ellapi's response to the first deletion tag was to post a completely advertising blurb on the talk page ("What You’ll Discover In This 60 Minutes with Christian"). When that was removed and they were told that Wikipedia is not for advertising, they asked which particular sentence (singular) was the problem -- as if it wasn't the fact that the entire article was written to sell this Rodwell's services.

Look, I totally get that you (like me) am for not biting the newbies but WP:AGF is not a suicide pact. If a user has shown that their sole purpose is advertising and not helping the site (and they don't even understand that everything they just wrote is an advertisement), they do not belong here. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Yikes. "... they do not belong here" That's pretty harsh, dude. What the heck is a "Help Desk" for, then?! I'm reading the exact same words as you and I'm not seeing intent, but ignorance of and novice to WP. I do not believe for a second you (like me) are for not biting the newbies. You have cheery-picked this entire scenario. Simply deleting a page and continually blocking a user without detailed information person-to-person will only direct them to try other avenues to get around what they think is a flawed system here at WP. Such actions only generated improper reactions; and that isn't good for anyone. We're not going to see eye-to-eye on this one. Perhaps a better understanding on the next one. Happy editing! Maineartists (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@Maineartists: By your own admission, you don't have the whole picture, so quit misrepresenting the situation in a way that insults me. If you have to ask another editor what went on because you can't follow up on something, either take their word for it or don't ask at all. I'm not the only admin involved in this, and if you think you can do better, go to RfA right now so you can unblock all the innocent newbies I've apparently been bullying. Were I to misrepresent you the way you've misrepresented me, I'd have to say that you are cherry picking your ignorant misunderstanding of this situation to pretend that I'm all for biting newbies, so you can defend advertising on Wikipedia. Now, I know that's not what you're doing, but try assuming at least as much good faith from people the community has chosen to be admins as you do from users who have been warned and blocked by multiple uninvolved users. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:00, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Wow. I came here to the Help Desk to learn the ins-and-out of Wikipedia better. I honestly didn't know how to follow the trail from the 3 deletions and 2 blocks to see how it was handled with the editor. My initial question of genuine interest to learn: "Hey there. Can you better explain all that went on here? I'm not able to follow the trail as easily as you." is met with: "If you have to ask another editor what went on because you can't follow up on something, either take their word for it or don't ask at all."??? Again: Wow. You gave absolutely no direction accept to explain the present happenings on this thread. I judged your involvement based on this and this alone. Now you're faulting me on misrepresentation and slyly accusing me of defending advertising? Please. Based on what? Questioning whether or not the editor was informed of their actions properly throughout their activities? I never once questioned the editor's motive or intent; I questioned the results that lead to 3 deletions and 2 usernames. Now I can see the clear and present hostility generated by the same source that created it. I have no idea why you directed me to RfA to unblock innocent newbies that you apparently have been bullying. But as you have instructed: I'll take your word for it. As for this particular situation, we will not see eye-to-eye; and unfortunately, we were on the same page from the start. If you had just stepped back a bit, you might have seen that. Maineartists (talk) 11:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Bullshit. You asked what happened, I explained the situation (I can see the deleted pages because the community trusts me enough to appoint me as an admin), and then you responded by accusing me of being out to bite newbies and of lying about the situation (quote: "I do not believe for a second you (like me) are for not biting the newbies. You have cheery-picked this entire scenario."). If you ask another admin to look over the deleted pages, they'll tell you the same thing: Ellapi/Jassiemine was clearly not here to help the site. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

linkin, facebook or many other sites would be a better promotional platform, rather than trying to include Christian Rodwell in encyclopedia. It falls outside the scope for what is encyclopedic. Should this be 'salted' now by an Admin? Three attempts -all with the same unanimous outcome.--Aspro (talk) 13:42, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Jimfbleak has already done so. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:28, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Efn note

There is an {{efn}} note on User:Jo-Jo Eumerus/Northern Tibet volcanic field that doesn't work. Anybody know how to fix it? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Was the page in question deleted?

Can you help me find more information on my favorite rapper?

Hi, I was wondering if you might be able to help me find more information about my favorite rapper. He is an upcoming rapper from the bay area I think. His name is "AjThekid" one word. The one from san francisco or oakland. Because I know there is another aj the kid who I keep running into looking for "ajthekid" my favorite rapper. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:1:91A2:6CBA:E425:E70D:A9E2 (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Currently, it seems the rapper is just beginning and self-promoting. The only hits are personal websites/Facebook, CDbaby, YouTube videos, spotify, reverbnation, etc. All of which would note self-publishing at an early stage without any coverage or review by a secondary source. Have you tried asking over at the Entertainment Reference Desk? Someone there might know more. Good luck! Maineartists (talk) 17:06, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Addition to Article

How do I find who added a paragraph to an article and when it was done?```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Al Rosenfield (talk • contribs) 20:04, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@Al Rosenfield: You can use WP:WIKIBLAME to see who added the paragraph and when. RudolfRed (talk) 20:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm assuming it's not a relatively recent edit and you can't just look at the history? -AnonWikiEditor (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Uneven Columns

I am editing Geordie (ballad). In one section, "Text" there are two versions of the ballad placed one above the other. TI think it would be a good idea to placed them side by side, both so that they can be compared and to save scrolling. I've tried putting then in two columns but because they are of uneven length Wikipedia splits the longer version between the columns.

Is there any way I can edit it so they are printed side by side without one being split between columns? Thanks! Joe Fogey (talk) 20:13, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Joe Fogey: Try the following. Copy-paste the col-begin / col-break / col-end code, including the enclosing braces, and place them as shown in relation to the poetry text:

==Text==
{{col-begin}}
{{col-break}}

<poem> As I walked out over London bridge
...........
and he sold them in Bohenny. </poem>
{{col-break}}

Geordie - An old Ballad (as put down by Robert Burns)
<poem> There was a battle in the north,
.......
Is my sweet, bonie Lady! </poem>
{{col-end}}

Should produce a result that looks something like this:

==Text==

As I walked out over London bridge
...........
and he sold them in Bohenny.

Geordie - An old Ballad (as put down by Robert Burns)

There was a battle in the north,
.......
Is my sweet, bonie Lady!

Alternatively, you could try using a Wikitable format:

==Text==
{| class="wikitable"

|-

|<poem>As I walked out over London bridge....
and he sold them in Bohenny. </poem>

|Geordie - An old Ballad (as put down by Robert Burns)
<poem>There was a battle in the north....
Is my sweet, bonie Lady! </poem> |}

Which should produce this result:

==Text==

As I walked out over London bridge.... and he sold them in Bohenny.

Geordie - An old Ballad (as put down by Robert Burns) There was a battle in the north, Is my sweet, bonie Lady!

For more confusion help, see help:Columns and help:Table. DonFB (talk) 02:15, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, DonFB. I tried the first option and it worked perfectly. Though it's very like what I thought I did before - the devil as always is in the detail. Joe Fogey (talk) 09:31, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

WNAC-DT2 Is Being Broadcast In 720p HD But No Citable Sources Exist Online To Prove That

WNAC-DT2 is reported (specifically, by the engineering staff of WPRI-TV & WNAC-TV) to be being offered in 720p high-definition over-the-air; however, I've been unable to locate any existing online sources to prove this. The only way to prove this is by physically pulling in the station over-the-air with an antenna and looking up the resolution on the TV. In other words, if WNAC-DT2 truly is, in fact, being offered in 720p high-definition over-the-air but there aren't any sources online to prove it and the only way to prove it is by pulling in the station over-the-air, than how can the resolution upgrade of that sub-channel be listed in the WNAC-DT2 or WNAC-DT2 articles, here on Wikipedia? 2601:18F:902:7361:351A:B0E3:3B3D:17BF (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

You say it's reported by the engineering staff. Where? Is it written down somewhere, or did you just talk to them? Is the info on the station's website (you can use that, for material like this)? Is there an offline published document that they can point you to? You can use that. Herostratus (talk) 01:15, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

First, I was informed in an E-Mail Message and then I later had a Telephone Conversation and was told that WNAC-DT2 is now being offered in 720p high-definition over-the-air.2601:18F:902:7361:351A:B0E3:3B3D:17BF (talk) 01:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh. Well, with no published source, we can't include the info in the article, sorry. Herostratus (talk) 02:24, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Am I finally correct?

If not then need heading forth time deletion. --jslee1301-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jslee1301 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

2017–18 NHL season template

Is The 2017–18 NHL template ready I hope so. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:69E1:CFE8:C8F3:A318 (talk) 22:58, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

It will get created by an editor that looks after the NHL articles. They won't create it too soon. They won't create it too late. They'll create it at just the right time. Because they've been doing it that way for years. So sit back, relax and wait. - X201 (talk) 15:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)