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August 10

Who is copying from whom?

The Petrohué Waterfalls article is exactly the same as the text at this youtube page. How do we know, in this case, if the article is copying youtube or visa versa? Leschnei (talk) 00:11, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

More precisely, the YouTube page is exactly the same as the 17 February 2015 version before this edit 18 September 2015. YouTube says "Published on Sep 13, 2015". The page history of Petrohué Waterfalls shows nearly the same content since 2008. So the YouTube uploader copied Wikipedia when the video was uploaded (or possibly copied somebody else who had copied Wikipedia). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I don't know my way around YouTube very well. Leschnei (talk) 00:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

SpongeBob season 4?

Should SpongeBob SquarePants (season 4) use the The Complete Fourth Season DVD cover art in the infobox (and therefore the season colour) instead of the Volume 1 and Volume 2 cover arts?--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:18, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: there is no hard-and-fast rule concerning matters like that, it would be better to discuss it on the article's Talk page to get agreement among the editors concerned. --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

WP:Activity

I was wondering how active WP is these days, so I typed in WP:Activity. This redirected me to a defunct policy page on wikimedia on the metrics used to divide editors up by activity level ([Research:Metrics]), which itself redirects me to another page on Wikimedia about metrics which doesn't seem to have been updated since 2014 ([Research:Standard metrics]). Ok, so now I know that people have been thinking about how best to measure this for a long time, which is good. But where do I go to actually see data on WP's activity levels recently? Furius (talk) 02:06, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikimedia Statistics. Lourdes 02:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Theodore George Davenport

I created a page for my dad, cited 3 sources for information, and it got deleted because of copyright. If I take data out of one of the articles & cite it, is that infringement?

Thanks.

Here are the references: Anthony Davenport

Here is the article. ^{WP:COPYVIO redacted} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdavenport26 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

@Tdavenport26: If I take data out of one of the articles & cite it, is that infringement? - You didn't just "take the data," you clearly copied and pasted it. That being plagiarism is something high schoolers are expected to know. Also, Wikipedia is not a memorial, and "class of" lists do not establish notability. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:11, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

@Tdavenport26: Please read the Wikipedia policy on copyright violations, Your First Article, and the messages on your talk page.  Seagull123  Φ  14:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

References

Articles linking to the wrong person

Looking for some advice here. We have an article on Peter Abrams, who is an artist that works with recycled material. There is another Peter Abrams, who is a film producer; we have articles on his films (The Wedding Planner, Point Break, Wedding Crashers are some) but not on him, so it turns out a few of these film articles are linking to the wrong Peter Abrams.

I'm not sure if the producer meets the notability requirements for his own article; I'm finding plenty of lists of the films he has produced, but no biographical information about him. (The filter at work is not helping matters, so if anyone would like to help with the search, be my guest!) Should I remove the wikilinks from the film articles, to avoid having them point to the wrong person? –FlyingAce^✈hello 15:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes. And thanks for checking this out. Lourdes 15:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

SELF FIXED AfD !votes not showing up in my AfD log, Round2

Resolved

Hello, back in May I had this issue as well, my !votes from today are not showing up in my AfD Log, even though I have reloaded and purged it multiple times. I wanted to check here before asking Captain Raju if he had changed his signature.

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Global Pakistan (Pvt) Ltd. I am only !voter, and my !vote immediately follows CR delsorting.
• Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Fei-Yue_Wang I am not the only !Voter, and CR has not edited the page at all.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moaid Mahjoub Only !voter, following CR delsorting

So I would be inclined to think that the signature is interfering with the AfD script, except for the middle AfD. I haven't contacted CR yet, because I have no idea how the script works or how signatures would interfere with it or how User:Lourdes discovered it last time, and do not wish to be rude. Also, I checked User:Cullen328's AfD log, and his !vote on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Fei-Yue_Wang showed up in his log, so I don't know if I am suffering a local server error or if Cullen has a signature error as well. Thanks for helping me, L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 19:49, 10 August 2017 (UTC) PS I just ran my AfD log inanother browser, and it is not displaying properly

Now they are showing in the log. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 21:18, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

That's good to hear L3X1. Lourdes 00:33, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Copyright and Trademark symbols

When editing, how do you type copyright and trademark symbols? The method used for Word does not work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IScribe (talk • contribs) 19:53, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

You could copy-and-paste these: © ™. Note that the Wikipedia Manual of Style says "Do not use the ™ and ® symbols, or similar, in either article text or citations, unless unavoidably necessary for context." Maproom (talk) 20:34, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

template tag

How do I get a tag off my entry when it is unknown why it was made but it can’t be changed by the editor who made itCarol Smallwood (talk) 20:09, 10 August 2017 (UTC)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Smallwood

Hi Carol Smallwood. Just a quick once over, it's quite clear why this header tag was placed: Carol Smallwood Just Loves to Edit This Page. There seems to be an inordinate amount of WP:COI activity on this article, judging from its history and Talk Page. It will remain for as long as suspicious activity continues to arise - such as editors with the same name as the article edit the page. I hope this helps! Maineartists (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

My name is Sid Herring and I am the founder of The Gants. I am requesting that someone make the following corrections to the article about The Gants, which was posted long ago without my knowledge or input.

I posted this summary and a few requested edits on my talk page on August 1, 2017 and have had no response to this request. I want to improve and update the information about me and my band, The Gants. Who can assist me?SidHerring (talk) 20:24, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi SidHerring! You will want to post those comments at the article's Talk Page here: Talk: The Gants, instead of on your own Talk Page. Please make sure that you disclose the information that you are associated with the band as this is required with WP's WP:COI policies. Any requests for change will need reliable sources WP:RS to back such claims. Good luck! Maineartists (talk) 20:32, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Someone is changing a biographical page with negative unsubstantiated edits

Hello. I have noticed that someone keeps changing the biographical notes on a public person on Wikipedia - adding details that are inaccurate and worded in such a way as to leave innuendos of possible wrong doing which are not facts. The public person in question is deeply troubled by these actions and our team is watching the page and constantly removes the false allegations. Is there a way to stop this? Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by AB10002 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

@AB10002: Gee, it's really helpful how you did not tell us what page it was. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:09, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

@AB10002 and Ian.thomson: Hey, first, I presume the article is Julie Payette. Also, if you are in anyway connected to this person, you have a COI, and need to declare this. See the help available to editors with COIs. Also, if you are paid to edit here, you also need to disclose this. Furthermore, most of your edits seem to be removing sourced content, which, without a very good reason, shouldn't be done on Wikipedia - the fact that the article subject doesn't like it is not a good enough of a reason. You should direct any requests to the article talk page, where you should use the {{edit request}} template to request changes be made - making sure that what you request uses reliable sources. If there are serious concerns about the article, after having raised them at the article talk page, please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help or Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects.  Seagull123  Φ  23:14, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

What has been told to you by Seagull is correct: I don't know if you're an employee of the government or a private public relations consultant, but "your team" gets no privilege to control the article's content. The article belongs to Wikipedia, not to Julie Payette, and Wikipedia's policies and procedures, not Payette's image management preferences, will dictate what can or cannot be added to the article. Namely, reliably sourced content gets to stay whether it's "convenient" or not — and unsourced content doesn't get to stay just because you and "your team" are being paid to put it there. Wikipedia decides what does or doesn't go in the article according to Wikipedia's rules. Bearcat (talk) 23:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)