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December 14

Talk:Thylacine keeps breaking

Could someone markup-minded have a look at Talk:Thylacine? It broke with this edit, I got rid of the symptoms with this edit (by removing a correctly formed cite template from the latest addition - no idea why that worked), but now it's been screwed up again in this edit. Same results: page is being chopped off in the middle of (the same) earlier entry. - There's probably some misplaced bracket in there but I'm sure I can't find it... Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Elmidae: An incorrect <ref> tag was messing things up. Is it OK now? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Didn't I know it would be something duh like that :p Yes, all good now; most obliged! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:23, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Reference taking me to the wrong webpage

On the Briefs article an editor inserted a statement backed up with the attached ref:

<ref>{{cite patent|title=Male underwear garment|date=Dec 13, 2007|url=http://www.google.com/patents/US20070283484|inventor-last=Wright|inventor-first=Priscilla D.|issue=US20070283484 A1|accessdate=2017-12-01}}</ref>

When I try to follow the ref, despite it being listed as http://www.google.com/patents/US20070283484 it takes me to https://worldwide.espacenet.com/errorpages/error404.htm - however if I paste the google.com address directly into my address bar it works. Why should that be?

I asked the inserting editor if they had any idea why it should behave so, but didn't get a response. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

References

How do you follow the link: do you merely mean "when I click it"? I just now clicked it, and I ended up at the correct Google page. Nyttend (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Yep - when I click it. I just tried it again - I still get taken to the 404. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

The link's working fine, so I strongly doubt that it's a Google problem or a Wikipedia-rendering problem; it's apparently something with your browser. You may do better to go to WP:RDC and ask about that. It may help, by the way, if you report the URL that you see when you mouse over the link: does it tell you that you're going to Google or to Espacenet? Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Because this is a patent citation, {{citation}} calls {{citation/patent}} which does not take |url= and instead hard-codes a link to worldwide.espacenet.com. Similarly, |issue= is ignored but |number= should work if you can find the correct value to put in it (|number= becomes part of the url so the value as currently assigned won't work because it contains a space).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Alternately, you might rewrite the template:

{{Citation |title=Male underwear garment |date=Dec 13, 2007 |url=http://www.google.com/patents/US20070283484 |last=Wright|first=Priscilla D. |issue=US20070283484 A1|accessdate=2017-12-01}}

Wright, Priscilla D. (Dec 13, 2007), Male underwear garment, retrieved 2017-12-01

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Chaheel Riens: inventor-last= is recognized as a patent parameter so it automatically activates Template:Citation#Citing patents which has other parameters than normal citations. It expects a country-code and patent-number instead of a url. {{cite patent|title=Male underwear garment|date=Dec 13, 2007|inventor-last=Wright|inventor-first=Priscilla D.|accessdate=2017-12-01|country-code=US|patent-number=2007283484}} produces:

US 2007283484, Wright, Priscilla D., "Male underwear garment" 

I think Nyttend is confused because he clicked the clickable bare url you posted instead of the url generated in the reference. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

My mothers death date is wrong

Hello, I have no idea who did my mother's page, however she died in 2014 not 2013. Please correct. I am the daughter mentioned in the times article. Sheila Crystal Devin. Thank-You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:D08A:C800:4E1:4BF1:D2B5:CBB9 (talk) 13:22, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Sheila, could you provide a link to your mother's page? It could be as simple as going there, copying the URL of the page, and pasting it here. Nyttend (talk) 13:32, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

The page in question will be Sheila Guyse. Her NYT obituary gives her death date as 28 December 2013. ‑ Iridescent 13:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I notice that the linked NYT reference is dated "JAN. 15, 2014". Unless the NYT has made two unrelated errors (one in the text of the obituary, another in dating the piece on their website), it's difficult to see how an actual date of 28 Dec 2014 is possible, although an actual date early in January 2014 might be plausible. The problem is, OP, that although you say you are Sheila Crystal Devin, daughter of Sheila Guyse, the only sure information we have about you is that you posted from the IP of 2604:2000:D08A:C800:4E1:4BF1:D2B5:CBB9, which could be anyone. While you may very well be sincere, Wikipedia does get false claims of a similar nature from mischievous posters (I am sure you won't be shocked to be told that people sometimes lie on the Internet), so we have to go with published Reliable Sources, of which the NYT is certainly one.

If you can point us to other sources of comparable reliability which instead give the date you suggest, we can reasonably assume the NYT is incorrect and (a) use them instead. Otherwise, we can only (b) stick with the NYT date; (c) remove the date from the article altogether, as being disputed; or (d) remove it from the Infobox and mention the discrepancy between sources in the text. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.220.212.173 (talk) 19:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

It looks as if your argument is with the New York Times, but if you can point us to an accurate obituary, then we will be happy to change our article. Dbfirs 19:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

And with the New York Daily News, the Internet Broadway Database and the book Obituaries in the Performing Arts, 2013, all of which say December 28, 2013. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:06, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

G13 Routine?

Regarding g13 deletions, these are drafts that are 6 months old that can be nominated for deletion. my understanding was that even though these pages can be deleted once they are nominated, they don't have to be and the admin responsible is still needed to check them over to see if notable things haven't been nominated by mistake or maliciousness, etc. Or is the deleting admin just responsible for doing a bot-like deletion of everything in g13? without looking at what has been nominated?Egaoblai (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Administrators are expected to use discretion always and are not required to take any action that their judgement says is inappropriate. If an admin is using their tools blindly, that would be a problem for a discussion at WP:AN. If you have a specific admin in mind, the issue should be brought up there. If you are just asking idly, then no, admins do not act without judgement and discretion. --Jayron32 14:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Request edit

Hi there!

The tuition listed for the Lycée Français de Chicago is wrong. The tuition is $19,820. Can someone update the number? https://www.lyceechicago.org/admissions/tuition-and-fees

40.132.157.247 (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Sgaler

 Done. NZFC^(talk) 19:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Are we allowed to have the 'SineBot' message as our signature?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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That birb king that you can screech at. 16:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I would say no, as apart from anything else, it does not always pick up on unsigned posts. Suggest you just allow your account name to be your signature as the majority of other editors do. Eagleash (talk) 16:39, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

KingOfBirbs, I am going to repeat what I said above in About a warning that I have received.: "you should either start behaving like a responsible Wikipedia editor (in which case we will be happy to answer genuine requests for help), or else go away and stop bothering us." Changing your signature is permissible (though personally I think some editors spend entirely too much time on it). Changing your signature to mimic something else is disruptive. And in view of the warnings you have already received, asking questions that probe the limits of what is disruptive, is itself disruptive editing. --ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Question archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:49, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Are all forms of disguise a form of disruption? King Of Birbs (Screech) (Footprints) 18:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Not all, but they might lead readers to ask if you are Wikipedia:Here to build an encyclopedia? Dbfirs 19:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.177.106.68 (talk) 16:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Which article please. Eagleash (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Creation of WP article with a foreign untranslated yet term

Can I create an article about a term that is being used in a foreign language, by many reliable secondary sources? I will have to translate the term, but it is rather straightforward translation. What is the relevant policy of WP? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that has information about topics, not definitions of terms. Wiktionary is the sister project that records definitions of foreign terms. If the topic merits an encyclopaedic article, then you should use a title that is already in use in English, not your own translation of a foreign term. Dbfirs 19:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

No, I am not talking about a definition or a stub. There is no existing translation of the term in english language, yet. Consider a famous israeli band that has released an album in hebrew (lets say נשר שחור meaning black eagle) last month, the album merits an encyclopaedic article, so can I create an article with the title "black eagle" in en.WP? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 20:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I have recently created the page Gumlau, which is a Kachin word, and does not exist in English dictionaries. however anthropologists and sociologist have used it a little, as there is no other word for it and a translation would be too complicated. Use your judgement on this. Many concepts in the English language come from other languages, and it is part of the evolution of language. If there is no direct or suitable translation, then use the original term, but make sure you define it well in the opening sentences of the article. IN the case of the album, if there is no official English title from the band, then do your best to transliterate it into "English letters" that can approximate the original sound of the words. Egaoblai (talk) 21:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Egaoblai. Are you aware of any Wikipedia policy or guideline concerning the matter? ps- Your Gumlau article is fantastic, I will translate it to greek in a couple of days! Τζερόνυμο (talk) 08:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation maybe this might be useful for you. Glad you liked the page! Egaoblai (talk) 07:10, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Updating a logo

Hello,

I appreciate that Wikipedia is publicly sourced and does not want corporate manipulation of articles. If I would like to do something on behalf of my company such as, in this particular case, update our corporate logo to match our website: www.mixbook.com, how should I go about that in order to make sure the company's page is up to date, while still respecting the editing policies?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mixbook (talk • contribs) 18:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello Mixbook, we can update the logo if the company is happy to provide a copy of the logo however there are two other issues at hand, first is your username implies that you are a company and could be a number of users using the name, please see WP:USERNAME. As for the other policies that I recommend you read, please see Conflict of Interest and paid. I have left a message on your user page that has these policies also as well as information about changing your User name. NZFC^(talk) 19:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I am happy to provide a logo and let an independent member of the wikipedia community determine if it is appropriate to update. Please let me know the best way to accomplish this. Thank you as well for the information on usernames. I've made it compliant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker at Mixbook (talk • contribs) 19:59, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Tucker at Mixbook, if you have any questions about the copyright of the logo, you can ask Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions as one thing I think I've forgotten to mention is by giving access you make your logo free for anyone to use. So maybe best to ask questions there or otherwise someone else with better knowledge around logos maybe able to help. NZFC^(talk) 20:27, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Tucker at Mixbook: You don't have to make your logo free. We allow copyrighted logos to be displayed as fair use in the infobox about the organization. Is it [2] you want displayed in Mixbook? The procedure for fair use images is a little complicated and new user accounts don't have the required permission but we can do it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I appreciate the clarification and the offer of help. Yes, the logo you've indicated is the correct one for the page indicated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker at Mixbook (talk • contribs) 22:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Tucker at Mixbook: I have uploaded File:Mixbook logo.svg and added it to Mixbook. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Awesome. I really appreciate your help!

U.S. template

Hello,

I would like to know why there is no link to "Society of the United States" on Template:United States topics (last main category). Can someone add it? Thanks.

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I linked 'Society' to Society_of_the_United_States. Ruslik_Zero 20:47, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

How do I submit an article for deletion?

I have no idea how. Please help. Alex of Canada (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@Alex of Canada: There are different ways to do it at Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Processes. Which article do you want deleted for which reason? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Christopher Hussey (died 1686)

I have had trouble with ref number 8 on this page - please help. thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done, only thing I could see is you had used reference template for a website instead of a newspaper, so changed it over and added in the extra information to make it a more complete reference. NZFC^(talk) 23:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford

I have had trouble with ref number 8 on this page - please help Thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done as above. NZFC^(talk) 23:44, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Green Numbers Next To Contributions

Hi, newbie here. I look under my ¨Contributions¨ tag and I see my edits with green positive numbers and some red negative numbers. I would just like to know what they mean, why some are red, and why some are green, and what the number next to them represents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalAce (talk • contribs) 22:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

@RoyalAce: It shows how much the page size changed in bytes. See Wikipedia:Added or removed characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)