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June 24

List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s

Hi, on List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s, the last images at the side (which go down too far as well) don't mention Drake and Ed Sheeran's other number ones that decade or the year which they became number one, does anyone know what can be done to make this article better?--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:27, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Please help - I have stuffed up rather badly with adding a pic/file. It is in the "Lawyers" section of this page. Please help Srbernadette (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Eagleash (talk) 03:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

So sorry - I have corrected the title and date on a file uploaded 4 hours ago. It is in the same section - lawyers - on this page. I have changed to correct identity - i.e. William Middleton Esq., of Gledhow Grange Estate, near Leeds (1839-1887). But it is now all wrong. Sorry. Please help. 101.182.141.22 (talk) 05:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect file name - "File:John W. Middleton Esq. of Fairfield, the estate in Far Headingley, near Leeds.jpg"

The correct name of the man is now on the article itself but the original incorrect name is on the file (see above). The file name should be "William Middleton, Esq., of Gledhow Grange Estate, near Leeds". NOT what it currently is named - i.e John Middleton...". What can I do to get it all correct? Please help. Thanks again. 101.182.141.22 (talk) 06:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

If you wish to request renaming of a file, you can place the {{rename media}} template on the file description page. The request will later be completed by an administrator or file mover. eurodyne (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I have done what you said and a red-coloured "Template" with the correct file name is now seen half way down the page but the file name at the top of eth page is still incorrect (i.e. John W. Middleton....): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_W._Middleton_Esq._of_Fairfield,_the_estate_in_Far_Headingley,_near_Leeds.jpg

Please let me know if it is OK Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 07:53, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: I have reformatted your request at Wikimedia Commons. Be patient, and someone there will review it and probably rename the file for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I notice file is being claimed as 'own work'. Is that actually the case? See this Google search. Eagleash (talk) 08:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

The image is on our laptops - and may have been photographed at Sutton Park, near York where there was a display of Lupton family/Middleton memorabilia. We certainly photographed (phone) at the display in May 2017 another photo of Potternewton Hall Estate. All good I hopeSrbernadette (talk) 23:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Reference error

Anyone good at spotting reference errors? I've created one (or maybe two) at Gypsy horse, and can't track it down. Thanks in advance, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: I think you are the latest victim of a long-standing bug in the software, phab:T22707. You can use <ref>...</ref> tags inside {{efn}} footnotes, but it all very fragile if you try to define the efn footnotes inside the {{notelist}}. At Gypsy horse the error seems to go away if you move the definition of note "a" up to where it is used. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for identifying the problem, John of Reading, I'd never have got there on my own. As you can imagine, I'd have been more pleased to find that it was a dumb mistake on my part than an unresolved error in the software. Thanks again! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:Old prod full

Hello, I would like to ask what exactly the word "full" is supposed to refer to here? I really couldn't figure that out, yet! Best--Curc (talk) 13:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

There used to be a template called {{old prod}}. That one was for prods that were removed before it was deleted. Old prod full was for prods that had been deleted and restored (went through the full prod process). The two were consolidated into one template as the result of Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 January 19. ~ GB fan 13:50, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear ~ GB fan, thank you very much for your explanation! Best wishes--Curc (talk) 14:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange

Hello, it might be a silly question but I'll venture it anyway: Why is the word "resource" used here – instead of "source"? I mean, we're talking about references, meaning written material to provide scientific evidence, which would be clasically referred to as a source, right? Sorry, if this seems awkward, but I'm not a native speaker... Best--Curc (talk) 18:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Curc: Have you tried the Language section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. This Quora article may also be of help.  Seagull123  Φ  18:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Curc: maybe also ask at that WikiProject's talk page?  Seagull123  Φ  18:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Curc: Well, because it also means things like pictures so that people can illustrate them, not just written material. For example, I recall that somebody was once trying to get images of a pharaoh or something of the sort to make an illustration of the pharaoh. RileyBugz^会話_投稿記録 18:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thank you all for your help! RileyBugz made me realize that this project is not only about written sources in the traditional sense. Hence, the term "resource".--Curc (talk) 23:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Image appearing in unexpected place

Hi, please see [1]. The image "Brading Station, IW, UK (2).jpg" is placed in the source immediately below the "History" heading, yet in the displayed article it appears down at the bottom of the page. Does anyone know why this is happening and how to fix it? Mypix (talk) 19:52, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Mypix: Fixed with Template:Stack.[2] Please add captions to images in articles. End the image syntax with |caption here]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

It is simpler to just place images floating at the right side after the first image. Ruslik_Zero 20:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Mypix (talk) 20:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Creating a contents page

I see a lot of contents pages on wikipedia articles and Im creating a page right now, how do I add a contents page?

DarthOdious2002 (talk) 21:31, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@DarthOdious2002: If you mean a table of contents then it automatically appears when there are at least four section headings. See more at WP:TOC. If you mean something else then please clarify it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Created page being deleted

I have been told the following:

'All biographies of living people must have at least one source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article'

How am I supposed to prevent the article from being deleted? What sort of source should the person be included in? How do I do this?

DarthOdious2002 (talk) 21:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

I gather that this is about Robbie Cowling, and you seem to have figured it out, it appears. Herostratus (talk) 22:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @DarthOdious2002: I've removed the template proposing deletion (for reference, from Robbie Cowling), as it now has two references, however, I would strongly recommend adding more references to the article, as it is a biography of a living person. If you need help doing so, go to this page. I would also suggest reading Your First Article, describing everything you need to write an article on Wikipedia.  Seagull123  Φ  22:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

But both references are to articles based on interviews with Cowling, and so not independent. The article as it is now offers no acceptable evidence of notability. Maproom (talk) 07:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

(Oops! I missed spotting that!) Dbfirs 07:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I would suggest that the advice be rephrased as: "All biographies of living people must have at least one source that supports every statement made about the person in the article." We have too many biographies that make unsupported claims. Dbfirs 07:04, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

The quote above, if I am not mistaken, Dbfirs, is from the page that defines when an article is subject to WP:BLPPROD, that is prompt deletion for being unsourced. For that purpose, a single source is indeed sufficient. And honestly a biography in which every statement was cited inline would be a grossly over sourced mess. WP:BLUE often applies. DarthOdious2002 It will be much easier if you start new articles by using the Article wizard to create a draft under the Articles for Creation project. Then such requirements can be fulfilled in multiple edits over a period of time before the draft is submitted and reviewed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:20, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I didn't realise it was a quote so I just suggested an ideal, having seen the problems we have with unsourced claims in some biographies. I agree with you that my suggestion might be rather over the top (and certainly would be for general non-biographical articles with statements like "grass is green"). I agree that it would not be expected in a first draft. Dbfirs 15:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

William (Bill) Clark (Geographer Demographer)

I cannot find the article to upload WilliamAVClark (talk) 22:57, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Uploading an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:29, 28 June 2017 (UTC)