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March 20

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_alveolar_proteinosis

current list of symptoms includes "weight loss' - this IS NOT TRUE

I have the disease, and due to many years of lack of oxygen to my body, it has caused damage to my other organs and I have subsequently developed other critical illnesses as a result of this - and many of these illnesses CAUSE WEIGHT GAIN - also, not being able to exercise sufficiently (due to low energy and passing out - all from lack of oxygen) also results in increased weight gain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.78.81 (talk) 01:04, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

User talk:68.175.78.81: Please note, first of all, that Wikipedia does not give medical advice. Specifically, this disclaimer says: "There is absolutely no assurance that any statement contained or cited in an article touching on medical matters is true, correct, precise, or up-to-date." That said, the article does need additional references to support its content, including the issue you mentioned. But please understand that Wikipedia does not change articles based only a message from an anonymous source. If you know of a published reliable source that supports what you have said, you can either edit the article directly and add the reference, or make a suggestion on the article Talk page. DonFB (talk) 02:23, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

It is a new day so I hope that this is in the right section. Please add English Landed gentry families - not just "English families" - in the category box at the end. It is most relevant Thanks as always Srbernadette (talk) 01:48, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

The closest match would be Category:English gentry families which has been added. --Majora (talk) 01:52, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

The NBA Standings Are Suppose To Say 2016-17 not 2015-16

When I change the Standings say 2016-17 Not 2015-16 that problem needs to be fixed now. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 02:34, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Are you referring to your changes to {{2015–16 NBA East standings}}? As the template name clearly says, it's for 2015–16 standings. The template is transcluded in many articles about that season.[1] Don't change the content to 2016-17. That's what {{2016–17 NBA East standings}} is for. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

This is not 2015-16 template standings it's 2016-17 But when will it change. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 13:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Which page do you want to change? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:02, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Page count history

How can I find out approximately how many pages existed on English WP when I joined?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:20, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

• Total articles on Wikipedia from 2005 till 2016. Lourdes 09:59, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Robert Geoffrey Elwes (Writer and Playwright) Biography

Hope somebody now puts Publisher Review kindly up on Wikipedia.

It is accurate Biography with sources checked at Landesbibliothek Vorarlberg.

Thank you Mackintoosh (talk) 08:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I have put some useful links on your user talk page. In particular you need to read Help:Referencing for beginners and the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:32, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Armagh

This article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Armagh has reams of text without any citations; however, there are two minor references at the foot of the article, which is why I assume the article has not attracted the lacking citations banner at the top. Does this mean I have to go through the article and tag each section as lacking citations (at section level), or is an article level banner appropriate here?Clivemacd (talk) 13:24, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Clivemacd It would not make for a good article to place all the inline citation needed tags within this article, as they would be numerous throughout. This article does warrant a Citation Need banner at the top if you wish to place one. It would make for a better article. Maineartists (talk) 13:33, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

The article text is almost entirely from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, a public domain source, and this is noted at the foot of the article. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

How to "cancel" a user warning?

Three parties here: Original editor, undoing editor, and redoing editor (me). I just noticed (in Linköping Bloodbath, and then Åbo Bloodbath) a mistaken undo of a justified and constructive edit. I spoke on the talk page and convinced the undoing editor the original edit should stand, then went and redid them.

But there are some user warnings on the original editor's talk page (who I have not spoken to yet), which are unjustified. I could just delete them, but then the apology I wrote for their existence would be lacking context.

Is there some way to mark the warnings as struck out/overruled/dismissed on appeal? I don't know how much of this the original editor has seen yet. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 15:58, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I don't know if there are specific guidelines for this case; but in general if you want to show that something on a talk page is no longer applicable, you can strike it through by adding <s> before and </s> after. So <s>this text</s> displays as this text. --ColinFine (talk) 00:53, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you @ColinFine: Excellent idea; I did as you suggested. Sorry, I thought I responded here when I did it, but apparently I only previewed and didn't save. My apologies for thanking you a week late! 71.41.210.146 (talk) 20:34, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Adding nowrap to a convert statement

I am using this statement 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) to convert 16.5 million hectares to acres. What and how do I add to insure that the answer will not wrap in an "awkward" place. I've tried a number of things to no avail.

I know that there is a way to show the statement without going into edit mode but I can't figure out how to write it. Thank you Bobdog54 (talk) 16:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

The way to show it is to precede the code with <nowiki> and follow it with </nowiki>, hence {{Convert|16.5|ha|acre|disp=preunit|million }}. I'll let someone else answer the nowrap question. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I will try it and see what happens. Thank you Bobdog54 (talk) 21:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Template:Nowrap will work with a template as the argument but it's worth a look and probably, at the least, a point in the right direction. †dismas†|^(talk) 17:18, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I tried the Template:Nowrap a couple of different ways and it seemed to make no impression on the statement. I will try again now that I know that the statement itself works. Thank you Bobdog54 (talk) 21:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

dismas You were correct. The Nowrap didn't work as an argument.Bobdog54 (talk) 01:01, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Er... what isn't working? Wrapping the whole thing in {{nowrap}} sure prevents any line break in the entire expansion for me: 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres)

Here's the equivalent without {{nowrap}} for comparison: 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres) 16.5 million hectares (41 million acres)

The problem is that's an awkwardly long piece of text to avoid breaking. We'd like some line breaks, like before the paren. Of the 5 spaces in the conversion text, which ones do you consider "awkward"? You can always bend {{convert}} to your will by using it to only produce the converted number and writing the rest of the text yourself. 20:48, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

page deletion alert

STREM HQ (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch

hello, i just started creating the page and have more information to be put in there, how i can stop the deletion before i start adding info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stremhq (talk • contribs) 16:57, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Stremhq, read WP:MFA for guidance Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, unfortunately, the page has already been deleted as being very short and failing to demonstrate why the subject is worthy of an entry in the encyclopedia. This is a difficulty with creating articles directly in the 'mainspace'. It is probably better to build the article in 'draftspace' and move it once completed. The best way to do this is probably via WP:WIZARD which will help to start the page. In this instance you could ask the deleting admin. @Anthony Bradbury: if they would be prepared to restore the page and transfer it to draftspace for you. Good luck. Eagleash (talk) 17:09, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you ! Will Do :) Stremhq (talk) 17:22, 20 March 2017 (UTC)stremhq

@Anthony Bradbury - Can you please restore and move my page to draftspace, so i can make necessary edits and add information. Thanks! Stremhq (talk) 17:24, 20 March 2017 (UTC)stremhq

@Stremhq: You might be better off going to Anthony Bradbury's talk page, in case he does not see this thread. For future reference to attract an editor's attention in a discussion you would need to type {{ping|username}} which will produce the '@' message. The 'ping' must be included in a new message (it cannot be added later). See WP:PING for more info. Eagleash (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Help review

Checking my watched pages I noticed one marked with a red r. Floating over it I found that meanr review wanted for that edit. I checked and found that it was a triviality, but could not find how to mark it as OK. I tried Help:review, but no dice. Any advice or links please? Or am I simply not authorised to review? Thank ia JonRichfield (talk) 19:17, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

@JonRichfield: You are probably looking for Wikipedia:Reviewing pending changes. Your account doesn't have the "reviewer" permission, but a post at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Pending changes reviewer could put that right. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:29, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

The red r is made when users enable ORES at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:45, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both. @John of Reading: is there a shortage of permitted reviewers? If not, I'd rather stick to editing, but if it is a bottleneck problem I could volunteer. JonRichfield (talk) 18:22, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

@JonRichfield: I don't think so. The history of User:DatBot/pendingbacklog shows there are usually only about ten pages waiting for this kind of review. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:13, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

@John of Reading: much thanks. (I failed to find the thanks button. Sorry.) JonRichfield (talk) 09:01, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Bon Scott, Angus Young and Malcolm Young from ACDC

Hello,

I tried to correct the information on the respective pages stating that the aforementioned are/were Australian. They were all born in Scotland by Scottish parents and spent the first 6, 8 and 11 years of their lives as Scottish. They may have/have had Australian passports and accents but they are still Scottish. Your page does not state that. I just conducted a poll on a Bon Scott forum and a huge majority said he was Scottish.

Best regards,

Innes Forbes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.142.103.211 (talk) 20:22, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

You've answered your own question: "They may have Australian passports..." – therefore they're Australian. There's nothing further to say. They are ('were' in Scott's case) naturalised Australians. That they were all born in Scotland is clearly stated in each article, both in the infoboxes and in the text, but that does not mean they were British citizens. Their Scottish ethnicity is not pertinent to the lead paragraph of the articles as per WP:OPENPARA#Context. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:14, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Why were the changes I made gone from the page?

Good afternoon,

I recently made a lot of edits on the "cougar-slang" page. The original text provided no scientific evidence to support its many claims, which is in itself very problematic. Furthermore, the tone of the text was at time sexist. I spent hours re-writing the text, making sure to add scientific sources for each of the points I made. But all of my edits are gone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar_(slang)

Could you please explain to me why my edits were not accepted?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milaine a (talk • contribs) 20:43, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

You can look at the history. Ruslik_Zero 20:51, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

A problem with that article (not its content, its existence) is that it's about a word. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Milaine a is not the only editor who has contributed content to it which is not about the slang word, but about the general phenomenon it describes. But as explained at WP:NAD, the article doesn't belong here at all. I have templated it for copying to Wiktionary. I would also mark it for deletion, but I don't know what template applies. Maproom (talk) 22:02, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Elie A. F. LaVallette page...Descendant

I'm a descendant of Rear Admiral LaVallette and found a photo and a 200-year old letter from him to his wife, sent from the U.S. Frigate Hampton Roads, dated 1819 (I also found a photo of his grandsons; my great uncles). Would like to see his photo on his Wikipedia page but don't know how to submit it. I've scanned it to jpg. Thanks. I don't have ten edits to add! The info is fine; just want to add the picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizrader (talk • contribs) 23:28, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Lizrader, anything you upload to Wikimedia Commons (Tools--->Upload File) must be completely free, either as Public Domain, or explicitly licensed by the copyright owner for free use. The Upload Wizard on Commons will show you the choices for licensing. If you have too few edits to qualify as an uploader, use the Random Article link at left a few times (while logged-in as Lizrader) and make some useful spelling or grammar corrections; you'll soon have enough edits to qualify. When performing an upload, make note of the exact name of the image file; you'll need the name when you add a photo to an article; learn how to do that at WP:PIC. DonFB (talk) 05:01, 21 March 2017 (UTC) One more thing that may help (or overload) you: WP:Uploading_images. -- Don

• @Lizrader: I highly doubt that the photograph dates back to 1819.

However, if it is indeed a photograph of Elie A. F. La Vallette (who died in 1862 according to our article), then it is public domain in the United States and eligible for Wikimedia Commons. Go to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and follow the steps; it will put the photograph on the Wikimedia's Foundation server. Afterwards, you can include it in the article Elie A. F. La Vallette by filling the | image = key in the {{Infobox military person}} template in the article (i.e. putting | image = (the name of the photograph you uploaded).jpg). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:53, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

• Be careful. A photograph made prior to 1862 is not automatically in the public domain. To be in the public domain due to age, it must have been Published prior to 1923 in the US, or meet some other criterion. If it was never published, then the copyright belongs to the owner of the photograph at the time it is actually published. But that's probably OK in this case, since Lizrader is very likely to be the owner of the photograph. If so, then Lizrader holds the copyright and is free to license it using the CC-BY-SA license when the user uploads it to Wikimedia commons. Lizrader: please do not be discouraged by this tedious and seemingly silly process. We are trying very hard to comply with a complex body of copyright law. If you have any problems at all, please come back here and we will try to help. -Arch dude (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2017 (UTC)