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October 30

Request to update the pages for Kapu, Telaga, Balija and Naidu caste

Update 'Telaga', ;'Kapu', 'Naidu' and 'Balija' caste page with the information from provided below: http://scnc.ukzn.ac.za/doc/SHIP/CasteFinal.htm— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.134.38.244 (talk) 1:20, October 29, 2017‎

Hello, IP user, and welcome to Wikipedia. This Help Desk "...is only for questions about using Wikipedia..." not for content suggestions. Those should be made at the talk pages of the actual articles involved, which would be Talk:Telaga, Talk:Kapu (caste), Talk:Naidu, and Talk:Balija. That said, you should probably read the content guideline on Identifying reliable sources before you make any suggestions using that web page. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 01:31, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Administrators

If an administrator comes across an obviously bad page(vandalism, pure spam, etc.), do they have to CSD tag it, or, after looking through page history, can they zap it on the spot? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 02:50, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

We can delete without tagging.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah, do you have to include a reason in the summary? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 03:25, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

We're always supposed to include a deletion reason, regardless of the context. See WP:NAS/D; we get a dropdown with common deletion reasons (most or all speedy deletion criteria applicable to the type of page, plus several other reasons), and we can always pick "Other reason" and then write an explanation. Nyttend (talk) 03:51, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

PS, Jjjjjjdddddd, see MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown and click View Source. As I noted, it's filtered by namespace (that's the purpose of the #switch bit in the code), so you don't see P2: Portal without a substantial topic base as an option when you're deleting a talk page, for example. Nyttend (talk) 03:53, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

PPS, I just dumped the whole list into the sandbox; see [1] if you're curious. Nyttend (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

All refs with archive links

I've noticed several articles at WP:FAC with all references containing archive links, even those with links that aren't broken, e.g. Scarlett Johansson. My understanding is that archive links are just for links that don't work anymore but are archived on the Internet Archive. I'm curious if there's a reason for this, since it otherwise seems like an unnecessary increase of character count and makes it impossible to know at a glance whether the original link is broken. I bring up FAC since these articles would be under much more scrutiny and it apparently seems to pass muster. Tonystewart14 (talk) 04:01, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Just guessing, since I don't do much with web citations (I almost always use print sources), but I suspect that it's a matter of preventing linkrot — as long as the Internet Archive doesn't die somehow, it doesn't matter whether the original link dies or stays alive, because you can just add the archive link and forget about it. Another issue is changing content: if a source says "ABC" today, and you cite it to say "ABC", and then tomorrow it changes to "DEF", someone might change your article to read "DEF" because they didn't notice that your citation preceded the change. By citing IA, we know that all changes (barring hoaxing by introducing something not in the source) will be dependent on the same version of the page unless they say otherwise. Nyttend (talk) 04:08, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

It is indeed to prevent link rot. The citations should all have |dead-url=no in them if the original link still works – it switches the formatting so that the title still links to the original website, and the archive link comes after. Dairy {talk} 22:26, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Tonystewart14 (ping since the question is old) Dairy {talk} 22:30, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for those answers Nyttend and Dairy501. I have seen the dead-url code used by bots and figured this was the case, but wanted to make sure. Tonystewart14 (talk) 22:45, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abdul Ruff

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Abdul Ruff From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation Dr. Abdul Ruff Dr. Abdul Ruff (born in Colachal, Tamil Nadu, and India) is a prolific writer in English language on international politics, was a research scholar at International Studies of Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi, India, and has been an analyst, a commentator-cum-columnist in international newspapers and journals in English. Dr. Ruff writes on subjects varying from Indian politics to international relations, foreign policy matters, climate change, economics, state-sponsored terrorism and sports, etc. He is critical of human right evasions world over, especially in India with regards to Muslim minority in the country. Hindus criticize Ruff for defending Muslims’ cause in India. Dr. Abdul Ruff has served in India in various capacities, but had been a faculty member of Jawaharlal Nehru University, University of Mysore and the EFLU from where he sought voluntary retirement but yet to get the pension. References: 1. Bangladesh–Malaysia relations - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh–Malaysia_relations Bangladesh–Malaysia relations refers to the relations between the two countries. Both enjoy .... Jump up to: Dr. Abdul Ruff Colachal (7 May 2008). 2. Corruption, liquor, price rise, unemployment and Hindutva - issues in Tamil Nadu poll 2016!: http://www.asiantribune.com/node/88923 4.. India expands presence in Indian Ocean Region, offering military help: http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/03/india-expands-presence-in-indian-ocean.html 5. Politics of Emerging World by Abdul Ruff Colachal: Dictus Publishing: https://www.abebooks.co.uk/Politics-Emerging-World-Abdul-Ruff-Colachal/13031025819/bd 6. From Afghanistan to World War III - The Middle East Times - International: https://mideast-times.com/left_news.php?newsid=6635 7. Nepal reclaims lands from India - Pakistan Defence: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/nepal-reclaims-lands-from-india.20826/ 8. US and the new UN chief: http://archive.thedailystar.net/2006/12/08/d612081503108.htm 9.Turkey elections: http://archive.thedailystar.net/2007/07/24/d707241503155.htm. 10. UNSC votes to end Israeli settlements: What next? - Holiday: http://www.weeklyholiday.net/Homepage/Pages/UserHome.aspx?ID=5&date=12/30/2016 11. Islam: The Spiritual Message of Ramadan Fasting: http://www.newageislam.com/islam-and-spiritualism/islam--the-spiritual-message-of-ramadan-fasting/d/97917 -

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulruff (talk • contribs) 10:50, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

@Abdulruff: Hello this is the desk for help in editing Wikipedia. Please see WP:AfC or WP:WIZ for article content. Please do not create an autobiography. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:58, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Archiving Question

I finally have a working archive bot on my Talk: page, but it seems four of the oldest sections are not being archived. Any ideas why or how I can do it manually? Thank you. FULBERT (talk) 11:25, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

You have archiving set to 15 days. They haven't ripened yet. Most of them will go a couple of days into November. - X201 (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Have a look at User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver if you want to force the issue. - X201 (talk) 11:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you X201. I specifically meant the Talkback and the Wikipedia Adventure sections; both of those are over a month old and have not been archived. Is there something that prevents them from being archived?

The one thing they have in common is no date stamp. The archive bot will search for that and not find it. So I presume it will then not bother archiving. I can do them for you if you like. - X201 (talk) 12:36, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Ahh, that may be it! Can you help me with their archiving X201? Not sure if it is just copy and paste or requires something else? FULBERT (talk) 13:14, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done Copy and paste would work fine as well. - X201 (talk) 14:03, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help X201! FULBERT (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford

I have added a BOOK in the reference section at bottom of page. It is NOT quite right. Sorry. Please alter if able. 101.182.88.116 (talk) 12:03, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I've removed an unnecessary closing ref tag, that's not required if you're not using inline citations, but other than that it seems ok. Was that the issue you meant? By the way, is the 30 October date you added meant to be the date you accessed the reference as it's currently listed as 2015? Kosack (talk) 12:20, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Amsterdam and The Hague

Hello

On the mobile version of Wikipedia, not all of the pictures of the intro of the articles Amsterdam and The Hague are visible. Captions are then about things people do not see. Can someone fix it to have the same rendering on mobile than on laptop? Thank you.

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 12:46, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

@WhatsUpWorld: have you tried switching the view to desktop mode on your mobile device? SportsFan007(talk) 14:12, 30 October 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007

Yes, and then only it works. But can it work without me doing that? WhatsUpWorld (talk) 14:14, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it can work fine without doing that e.g London and Paris are viewable. You shouldn't need to switch modes as a workaround. - X201 (talk) 14:16, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I have posted to Template talk:Photomontage#Failed layout. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:42, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Help with page move

I found ==Pesticide Drift First Draft==. Could someone move it to a better place? I can't list it at WP:RM#TR, because the template cannot accept equals signs. 208.95.51.38 (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I have moved it to Draft:Pesticide Drift. Eagleash (talk) 17:19, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

However, in the meantime it has been nominated for speedy under WP:A10 as there is already an existing article Pesticide drift. Eagleash (talk) 17:23, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Gabor Sazbo

An anonymous editor keeps inserting uncited/original research material in the the Gabor Szabo article, which is already woefully lacking in citations. Please advise. PaulCHebert (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

It seems the page has been protected. Eagleash (talk) 17:52, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Changing the font of pages

Hello. How do I change the font seen by anybody who visits a page? I have already seen it on the German Wikipedia, in which one editor has changed the font of all letters displayed on their user page, including the ones on userboxes. I am looking for a simple solution, which does not include adding <span style="font-family:'';"></span> everywhere. Thanks! ~ Itsused^{(Talk|Contribs)} 19:03, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

There isn't an easy solution to it. You should only do it on your user page, and then within reason. Don't do it to article pages. - X201 (talk) 19:46, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Of course I wouldn’t do it to articles. ~ Itsused^{(Talk|Contribs)} 20:00, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

<span>...</span> has limited scope but a single <div>...</div> can cover a whole page. For example <div style="font-family:Cursive;"> at the start and </div> at the end. Some elements on a given page may set their own font which will override it but only for those elements. See Font family (HTML) for more fonts supported by many browsers. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! ~ Itsused^{(Talk|Contribs)} 13:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Merging Templates

Where is the best place to propose a template merge? VeenM64 (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

See WP:TFD - X201 (talk) 19:42, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! :) VeenM64 (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Printing font changes (from Calibri to Times)

For years it seems, I've had no issues with Wikipedia font view/print settings, both are set to render as Calibri.

Today, viewed pages are still correct (Calibri), as set under Menu > General > Fonts & Colors > Default font.

But now print (preview and render) give a page with what looks to be Times Roman--except the content
of the "Content" section, which shows in some sanserif (but not Calibri) font.

(Possibly related to Firefox's new "simplify page" option (?), which changes the layout,
but keeps the same [wrong] font.)

The issue appears on all Wikipedia pages I've looked at.

Thanks for any suggestions!

-BC — Preceding unsigned comment added by BCWikiP (talk • contribs) 20:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Request to review new article

Hi

I created a new Wikipedia article (SwellRT), and I would like an experienced editor to review/patrol it.

Thanks! Samer.hc (talk) 21:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of previous version of uploaded image

We uploaded a new image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Audrey_Tang_showing_a_SwellRT_sticker_in_her_tablet_at_MediaLab-Prado._Madrid,_Nov_2016.jpg However, the first version of the image (21:15, 30 October 2017) included accidentally part of the face of a person that did not express consent (and is not a public figure). That was corrected in the second version of the image (created 4 minutes later: 21:19, 30 October 2017). I would like to request the speedy deletion of the first version.

Thanks

Samer.hc (talk) 22:27, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

@Samer.hc: Hello, go to the file at commons, and select 'nominate for deletion' from the list of tools on the left of the page. Eagleash (talk) 05:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)