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April 20

Student assignments and page moves

Hello,

I've been watching the page Inequalities in rural and inner city education, and I had a few questions. This page was created by a group of student editors, but there is no notice on the talk page like I've seen on some other pages. Should this be included? If so, how do I go about doing that? In addition, I've suggested that we merge it into Educational inequalities. In that case, how would that notice be transfered? Also note that this is my first time suggesting a merge, so please let me know if I did anything wrong with that. Thanks! LittlePuppers (talk) 01:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Another concern with that article is that it entirely about findings within one country, though its title does not indicate this. Maproom (talk) 06:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Ah, that's another good point. LittlePuppers (talk) 10:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Charles Pierrepont, 1st Earl Manvers

Ref number 3 is in red - it should be a little list but I fixed up a spelling error and it has "collapsed". Please help. Thankyou. Srbernadette (talk) 04:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

You had created two named references with the same name (and never used either of them). I have renamed the second. Maproom (talk) 06:31, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Capitalization in links to other articles

If I were to link to another article but not use the articles names (such as what I'm doing with Denmark's renewable energy), Would I write it as "renewable energy in Denmark|Denmark's renewable energy" or as "Renewable energy in Denmark|Denmark's renewable energy" (notice the 'R' in 'Renewable' is capitalized in the second one)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParadiseDesertOasis8888 (talk • contribs)

Either would work. But I'd recommend using the from of capitalisation as in the article name, the second one. Maproom (talk) 06:33, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

अनुवाद के विषय में।

जो विषय अंग्रेज़ी भाषा में पहले से उपलब्ध हैं, क्या उस सामग्री का अनुवाद मान्य है।

उदाहरण- चाड झील पर अंग्रेजी भाषा में लंबा लेख उपलब्ध है किंतु हिंदी में अत्यंत संक्षिप्त लेख है। क्या अनुवाद द्वारा इसका विस्तारीकरण मान्य है? — Preceding unsigned comment added by अरुण प्रताप (talk • contribs) 06:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Google Translate suggests that you are asking about the possibility/suitability translation from English articles into Hindi for the Hindi-language Wikipedia. If this is what you're asking about, you should do so within Hindi-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 06:57, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

अरुण प्रताप, Mere anumaan se us samagri ka anuvaad maanya hoga, bashertein sahi attribution diya gai ho. Aap us vishay ke talk page par yah template zaroor lagayen. Kyunki Hindi Wikipedia par yeh template hai yani anuvaad manya hai, phir bhi ek baar aap Hindi Wikipedia ki chaupaal par pata karke sunischit kar lijiye. --Skr15081997 (talk) 07:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Sortable table with stationary column

Is it possible to create a sortable table where one column does not move, even if the others are sorted? I would like to create a six-column table, where the first column is numbered sequentially downwards (say 1 to 10), and no matter how you sort the other five columns, the first column maintains the 1 through 10 numbering. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 08:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: There is currently no way to do it in the same table. You can place another table with one column next to it but the two tables may become misaligned. See Help:Sorting#Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:42, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

How to delete a fake Wikipedia post?

Hello,

I noticed someone posted a fake Wikipedia about me titled Husan Sharif and I want to delete it, but it won't allow me to do so. Please remove it from Wikipedia permanently because someone was trying to be funny and I don't like it.

Thank you,

Husan Sharif — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:403:102:2B40:DB8:3089:2513:F4F6 (talk) 08:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

More than one editor seems to have claimed to be the subject of the article. The only reference is an invalid parked URL. Do we delete this article as a hoax? Dbfirs 09:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

• If the article Husan Sharif is somewhat accurate, we do not care that today there are other homonyms. However, as Dbfirs say, right now the only link leads to a white page, and searching for sources in English pops up many contemporary homonyms.

Msoraimi is the author of that article as well as Alrashed Sahoubah. Do you have any source about the articles you create? Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Reason for Deletion of an external link

Hi, My name is Anuragnath12345. I edited certain links in the wikipedia pages but it got deleted. I am new to this collaborative editing work and i feel that i was unfairly treated here. The page was based on Mycorrhiza and i provided an external link to Mycorrhiza Information Center which is a free to use website just like wikipedia website mainly for researchers in the field of Mycorrhiza.We are just disseminating information but it got deleted from a page on Mycorrhiza. The other external links currently visible in the page is also being given external link and they all look like paid advertisements. Mohammed hijri and Mycorwiki. all look like paid. I was just trying to give information on Mycorrhiza. Have anyone checked the site yet.i guess not. you just deleted because i associate with that group. we don't have a wiki page yet which i propose tomake in the near future. Kindly guide me where i was wrong.because the administrator who deleted and sent me the message didn't specify the reason for those website links to be there in the first place.The platform should be fair and i didn't advertise but rather wanted people to see the information center. This is just information based on a free website related to the field only. Teri -organisation name and the external link i gave- Mycorrhiza Network — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuragnath12345 (talk • contribs) 09:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

We don't like lots of external links here on Wikipedia, and the fact that your addition was marked as a minor edit wouldn't go down well with other editors. Minor edits are spelling corrections etc. I don't know whether the link you added could be regarded as a WP:Reliable source. Who checks the content? Wikipedia doesn't regard itself as a reliable source. Do you have some connection with the website to which you linked? Dbfirs 11:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

A user apparently working under two names

A user, who has repeatedly been editing on article People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) under user name Vif12vf (like here on 13 April 11:54), after being addressed by me on the talk page connected to that article (in the context of an edit disagreement between him and me) started discussing on that talk page (15 April) under a different name. That is to say: someone signed a posting on that talk page as Tiberius Jarsve, while the talk page revision history tells that that posting was entered by user Vif12vf.
What is the proper and polite way for me to react on ‘this user’/'these users'/this situation? Do I consider and treat 'them' as one user or as two users? If the answer is 'two users': how do I directly, personally, contact Tiberius Jarsve when he seems to not have a personal user talk page? --Corriebertus (talk) 10:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

See WP:SIG#CustomSig. This explains everything.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Submission edit

Hello there,

I made an edit putting a profile together for Carl Thompson. However, in my notices I see that the photos are being nominated for deletion.

I'm not sure if it is the photo or the actual bio of Carl Thompson that wasn't accepted or both. Is anyone available to help me with this please?

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davepastor (talk • contribs) 11:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

For clarity, the files are over on Commons see this and this - X201 (talk) 11:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Davepastor: It's only the photos which are nominated for deletion at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Davepastor. Commons logs do not show you created a page at the English Wikipedia. I have mentioned this and added one of the photos to User:Davepastor/sandbox. This page has not been reviewed or submitted for review. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Great many thanks I've submitted it for review now, photo and bio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davepastor (talk • contribs) 06:04, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Marcia Hafif

Could someone be so kind to enter her deathdate into the block at the right part of the site? I tried, but didn't get how to do it. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 12:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

You just need to add the "death_date=" into the infobox, I have done it for you so have a look at the article to see how it was done. MilborneOne (talk) 12:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Editing additng topics

I am wondering what has to be done to edit pages as it seems to be very strict.

For example, I worked to tannoy for 4 years and held the historical documentation (still do) and actually edited/the wiki page when I worked there. I no longer have my work account email address as the company was bought over. why was it rejected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.A.R.Lai (talk • contribs) 13:00, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey David.A.R.Lai. Your edit was probably reverted at least in part because you did not include a citation to a reliable published source to indicate where the information came from. Content on Wikipedia needs to be based on sources that can be verified by readers, which usually means things like newspapers, magazines and books, and not things like primary historical documents you may personally posses, or things like personal correspondence. GMG^talk 13:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Your edit [1] looks incoherent to me. Try to write proper English, don't use all caps in names, and include a published reliable source. See Help:Referencing for beginners. Your personal knowledge cannot be used in Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:24, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Automatic links to Commons categories

As I have been creating categories and adding them to webpages, I have noticed that sometimes there's a link to the cateogry in the left-side column of a page: In other projects/Wikimedia Commons (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanbank,_Queensland). How exactly is this created?
When I added the category to wikidata item, it didn't show up (maybe it takes time to propagate), but it did show up after I added the category link directly to the wikipage (but then it would be somewhat redundant). On the other hand, there are pages which have the link on a page, but this thing in the left column does not appear (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duddeston_railway_station).
I am asking so that I do not waste time manually adding things that may be created automatically, or adding redundant stuff.
Are some wikidata items filled automatically? Can, for example, a category link being added to a wikipage, be picked up into wikidata, without a human having to writew it in? JiriMatejicek (talk) 13:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey JiriMatejicek. I don't know very much about Wikidata, but the box you see in the left hand corner is created using {{commonscat|PAGENAME}}. As far as I'm aware, this has to be added manually, and if I were to guess, is probably missing from several hundreds of thousands, if not millions of articles at present. GMG^talk 13:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough - {{commonscat|PAGENAME}} is added manually (and I do it frequently) as a part of the wikipage text. The item in question is in the grey area on the left, i.e. not part of the page itself - it's among the automatically added links. JiriMatejicek (talk) 13:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

"In other projects" in the left pane of Swanbank, Queensland is an unrelated feature to "Wikimedia Commons has media related to" at the bottom right of Swanbank, Queensland. A page can have either or both. "In other projects" is added at Wikidata. Try clicking "Wikidata item" in the left pane of the desktop site, or search Wikidata for an existing item. A Wikidata item will automatically add links to all pages listed in the item. See Help:Interlanguage links. A newly created page may have no Wikidata item yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

So, to avoid redundant links, it is better to put the commons category in the wikidata, instead of the wikipage, and it will show up eventually (perhaps with a delay)? JiriMatejicek (talk) 13:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Incidentally PrimeHunter, you reckon it would be possible to generate a list of pages that have ILLs but no EL template? Something like that could be handy to have around...or even to request a bot to sort through. GMG^talk 13:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

A bot should certainly be able to do it but I'm not a bot coder. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:43, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hey JiriMatejicek. As for right now, it's best to do both, since the template in external links is generally more accessible to readers than the inter language link in the sidebar. I would however be interested to know what the other Prime thought of the feasibility of a bot would be though. GMG^talk 13:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, not going to be much help here, as I try to avoid WikiData (from an "I can't be arsed to figure it out" perspective more than anything). Primefac (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Subramanian Swamy - Mentioned as best economist and lawyer of India

Think that Dr. Subramanian Swamy is not lawyer by profession in India, so it can be edited accordingly in the site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subramanian_Swamy

Thanks & Regards Ravi Chennai, India — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.224.64 (talk) 14:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Done. Gandalf61 (talk) 15:36, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Error with photo

Hello, while creating the page "Tupelo Game Days", I was prompted that the photo of our logo was not acceptable and it needed to be taken "with my own camera". I paid for the logo to be created and I own all the rights to it's use, why can I not upload a .jpg of it?

Thanks, Derek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tupelogamedays (talk • contribs) 15:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

It's difficult to help without a link to the image or the article and "Tupelo Game Days" doesn't show up either. This edit is your only edit anywhere on any Wikimedia Project, did you use a different login? or were you not logged in when you uploaded them?. - X201 (talk) 15:33, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

The article Tupelo Game Days was deleted as G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion). --David Biddulph (talk) 01:46, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Tupelogamedays. If you indeed own the copyright to the logo, then you may indeed upload it to Commons and use it in a Wikipedia article - provided you are willing to license it irrevocably under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which will allow anybody to alter or reuse it for any purpose, commercial or not, as long as they attribute it correctly. I doubt you will be willing to do that; but Wikipedia will not normally accept images that are not licensed in that way.

However, for logos, there is often another possibility: if the use meets all the criteria in NFCC, then it may be uploaded to Wikipedia (not to Commons) as a non-free image (and the owner's permission is not required or sought). One of the conditions is that the image is used in at least one main-space article, so don't try to do this until there is an article for it to go in. Please see WP:LOGO for more information.

On another subject, please note that your user name is probably not acceptable (user names which suggest that they represent organisations are not allowed: see WP:ORGNAME): you should either change it or (since you have made no edits except this one) abandon it and create an account which is personal to you (you do not have to use your real name: I do, but many editors use pseudonyms). Also, if you are planning to edit anything in any way connected with Tupelo Game Days, you need to read about conflict of interest, to understand why you are discouraged from editing it directly, and should declare your involvement (you must do so if you are in any way paid to do this). --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

New Fake News Pages

It would be great to get some lists started for fake news sites representing news for Financial, Science, and Health markets... (the way yall did with political ones) Thanks for your time.

Do it BIG out there,

Dolo Heinrich — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1003:B86A:AA9F:B044:356:1DDD:BB6B (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, we do have a broad List of fake news websites and also Fake news websites in the United States that might interest you. Thanks, L0URDES 18:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

editing a page

Avicii died and he is heavily protected from being edited can you left it or edited it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EvilRedLion (talk • contribs) 17:44, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@EvilRedLion: You can make an edit request at Talk:Avicii, using the instructions at Wikipedia:Edit requests. Make sure that your request follows one of these formats:

• "please change X to Y because (reason)"
• "add A between B and C because (reason)"
• "remove (text) because (reason)."

Blank requests will be removed and requests without sufficient reason will not be carried out. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:59, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Definitions from textbooks

Is it allowed to use a sentence long definition verbatim from a textbook with a reference if the rest of the content is said in author's own words? Vs⁶₅⁰⁷ 18:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, no. Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing has more details that you might find appropriate. Ask again for more assistance. Thanks, L0URDES 18:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

If you quote it it would be ok, but probably better to write in your own words, and shouldn't be done in lead sentence. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

• Copyright law is a mess. If the copyright has expired, a direct quote of any length is permitted, with attribution, so if you can find an old enough source of the definition, you can just use it (with attribution). For work still in copyright, the copyright applies to "creative elements". If there is only one way to state the definition, then it's not creative and you can copy it or closely paraphrase it (with citation). If there are several ways to state the definition, you must try to restate it in you own words. In the ideal case you will find multiple sources each with slightly different statements of the definition, and you can create a consensus definition and cite them all. This shows that you conveyed the information, not its "creative" form, since all of the authors were stating the same information. Please don't blame Wikipedia for this mess. We are just trying to obey the law. -Arch dude (talk) 19:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Cannot add image I own

Hi I am trying to add a movie poster to a page I've created. I own the poster image. Can you help with this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_Greatness — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathleen.peiris (talk • contribs) 19:21, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh. This can be easily sorted out. First read Wikipedia:Username_policy#Real_names and send in a email to: >mailto:info-en@wikimedia.org< to show that you are not an impostor. Second: You say you own the poster image. We only have your word for that . Solution... Add references in that email to show that you are the rightful copyright owner. Aspro (talk) 20:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

But it's not enough just to show that you own the copyright to the image, I'm afraid, Kathleen.peiris. Images used in Wikipedia must normally be free for anybody to change or reuse for any purpose, either by being Public Domain, or being explicitly licensed by their owners under CC-BY-SA or similar. If you own the copyright, then you have the power to do that (see donating copyright materials) but you may not want to do so. --ColinFine (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

How to add a photo to Wikipedia

Please help me understand how to add a photo to an entry I've edited for R. Paul Van Dam. I have his Utah AG photo (no copyright) and would like to add it to the entry but am not sure how to do it. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GOPHERUS (talk • contribs) 22:17, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

• Why do you believe there is no copyright? Copyright is automatic and belongs to the photographer (or the photograbpher's employer in the case of a "work for hire"), so the photographer must explicitly release the photo into the public domain. For photographers who are US Federal employees, the US federal government, as the employer, releases all photographs into the public domain. Sorry, we did not make this law, but we are obliged to follow it. -Arch dude (talk) 23:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

• If the picture is in the public domain, you should upload it at Wikimedia commons, bacause from there it can the be used here and also on other language versions of Wikipedia. Go there and then hit the "upload" link and follow the directions. the instructions are a bit complicated because we really are trying to adhere to the law. -Arch dude (talk) 23:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

new article submission not published yet

Hello. I submitted a new article earlier this month from my talk page and it has not yet been approved or appeared. It is an article about philanthropist/activist Dr. Marilyn Wells from Los Angeles. How can I track its progress or address its delay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:9E60:5BB0:1D99:8BE5:7FDA:FC72 (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

You were not logged in when you posted this. I guess you are User:Sledding on a Snow Day and refer to User talk:Sledding on a Snow Day. I have moved your attempted submission to Draft:Marilyn Wells and will add a box with a submit button. You had actually not submitted it. Saving a page is not a submission. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@2600:1700:9E60:5BB0:1D99:8BE5:7FDA:FC72 and Sledding on a Snow Day: a few things about your article: at the moment it is somewhat promotional and uses peacock terms. Wikipedia requires that all articles are strictly neutral. In addition, biographies of living persons (BLPs) have strict refrencing guidelines. Your article mentions a few sources, however it does not provide specific inline citations, which are an essential part of making sure that articles, especially BLPs, are verifiable. Also note that your article is still not submitted. PrimeHunter left that for you to do (and I'd recommend some further work before you do so). LittlePuppers (talk) 23:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)