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April 9

What links here

Is there any way to find out how many real links go to a particular page as opposed to links because it was added to a template? For example, 1-bit architecture has a huge number of links to it,[1] but if you look at the pages that contain the links they are almost all because it is included in Template:CPU technologies and don't give an accurate picture of how many people are interested enough in 1-bit architectures to link to it. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Copy of my reply at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Discussion: Ending the system of portals:

User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js produces Source links on 1-bit architecture. It currently says 26 results in all namespaces (10 in mainspace). I also made {{source links}}. {{source links|1-bit architecture}} produces Source links. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Grammar doubt

Hey everyone,

I have a doubt so please tell me which of the following you find to be the best (grammatically):

Kathleen Courtney Hochul (born August 27, 1958) is an American politician serving as Lieutenant Governor of New York since 2015.

Kathleen Courtney Hochul (born August 27, 1958) is an American politician serving as the Lieutenant Governor of New York since 2015.

Thanks

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 01:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Personally I'd go for the former, but I'm a BE writer, I don't know if AE is different, and I don't think either is wrong Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:31, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I think it'd be the first, unless it is "serving as the xyth Lieutenant Governor..". Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:37, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Both are fine in American English, but the first sounds a bit more natural. You should, however, be asking questions like this at the language reference desk. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:09, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

As a British English speaker/writer (and pedant) I find both to be equally acceptable and equally understandable. I could convert this to a local example and offer:

• Theresa Mary May (born 1 October 1956) has been Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party since 2016.
• Theresa Mary May (born 1 October 1956) has been the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and the Leader of the Conservative Party since 2016.

I see no problem in either format, but prefer the former for its brevity. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:02, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

This article is an ad and major copyright violation

Commercial Aviation Alternative Fuels Initiative this article is entirely written as an ad. In its history page, it shows it was changed on March 18, with the addition of copyright material from http://www.caafi.org/about/caafi.html. The newer changes should be removed because the source is copyrighted, but it should be noted that even in its earlier version, it contains copyright material and it seems the article was basically written entirely by the PR person responsible for the organization (even before the newer changes). This should be fixed or at least a banner should be made to warn readers.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.86.188 (talk) 05:23, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with everything above, also most of the highly promotional text is unsourced or sourced only to affiliated sites. There are no references that meet the standard required for the brand new Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). As said, there are no better versions in the history, and the entire article would need to be written from scratch. The main editor appears likely to be an undeclared paid editor with only one other minor edit to her name, so I've speedy deleted for all the reasons above. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:44, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Jimfbleak. 05:53, 9 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.86.188 (talk)

How to remove junk photo from Infobox?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Wood is a credible article about a person, but the Infobox contains a photo of a different person ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stephanie_Nauta_(6316875107).jpg ).

I can't find any explicit or implicit reason why any photo is included at all. How can it be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapunda (talk • contribs) 06:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done

@Kapunda: It seems to have been incorrectly added at Wikidata. I have removed it. It is fairly conventional, particularly in respect of sportspeople, for bio articles to contain an image. Please sign your popsts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 07:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Eagleash: the problem is indeed fixed, and thanks for pointing out the existence of Wikidata. That was a level beyond my knowledge. Agreed, sportspeople are worth a photo. As the subject now plays for Australia, hopefully a fan will provide one. Point taken about the 4 tildes (I knew that in 2012 when I last "talked"), although I'm baffled about why Wikipedia gets antsy about "unsigned" comments when it autosigns anyway. Kapunda (talk) 10:36, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Kapunda, there is a bot that signs posts in most situations but there are times when the bot doesn't sign and a person has to come behind and figure out who added the post. ~ GB fan 10:47, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Spelling change - Title of the page

Hi I have to change the title of the page from "Jnananda Bharati" to "Jnanananda Bhrati"; how should I do that. I could do the editing in the content of the page and not the title. Hence this request. Thank you for your advice. Or can someone from the help desk help me with making the needed change ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. L. Ramakrishnan (talk • contribs) 9 April 2018, 07:02 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Moving a page for how to change the title. The article needs another independent source. See WP:Reliable sources. Dbfirs 08:27, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

how to become Wikipedia moderator

how to become Wikipedia moderator? please helpHide211 (talk) 07:30, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hide211, see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, but note that with so few edits, it will be many months before you would have enough experience to even be considered, the last four successful applicants all had more than 100,000 edits. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Candidates sometimes pass with less than 10,000 edits but you do need thousands to have a chance. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:02, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Just to slightly correct what Jimfbleak stated, none of the last four admins had anywhere near that edit count. (unless 100,000 was a typo?) Cordless Larry had c.41,000 edits; Lourdes had c.18,000 edits; Harrias had c.37,000 edits, whilst 331dot had c.68,000. You just stick at contributing across a wide range of areas within Wikipedia, Hide211 and you, too, might one day gain the broad experience to become the sort of admin we really need here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:47, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Changed name / move page in Talk, not in main Article?

Hi there, Ive been editing a listing, as it now has a new name and concept, all fine and have updated Talk listing to new name and moved to new name, but wont allow me on the main Article page - just appears as a redirect? Thank you, Im still new to Wiki! NW1976 (talk) 09:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@NW1976: The redirect has been fixed.[2] See Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects. Don't change the first box in the move form when you move a page to the same namespace. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Movie posters at the top

Hi, I’m writing an article about a film and I cannot figure out how to get the movie poster to be at the top. I’ve tried trouble shooting, but I’m still not getting it.

Thank you, MissTofATX (talk) 14:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX

@MissTofATX: Hello, the lead section/sentence goes after the infobox: Other than that, the poster image is in the correct place but the lead could do with expanding somewhat. If you have not already done so, please have a read of WP:NFILM. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 15:08, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Eagleash - The image still does not appear at at the top, like other movie articles, such as Gone With The Wind? Please advise. I will read what you sent to expand the lead.

MissTofATX (talk) 15:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX

@MissTofATX: I have looked at both pages and the image appears in the same place on each. I think you may be editing from a mobile device? Try scrolling down to the bottom of the page and selecting 'desktop' mode. The NFILM page is about how Wikipedia assesses film articles at review. Have a look at other film articles to see what can go into the lead sction. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 15:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok that makes sense. I am using a mobile device.

Thank you, MissTofATX (talk) 15:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)MissTofATX

Adding image to page

Hi,

I am new to Wikipedia. I started an account because I represent RobertStrongWoodward.com and his home and studio were recently recognized as a historic site. A Wikipedia page was created as a result (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Strong_Woodward_House_and_Studio). However, it had numerous errors in it. I made those corrections, but also wanted to add a picture of the home and studio today to the page and had issues.

For one thing, the dialogue box used for the process would not advance beyond a certain point, even after I selected the box that the image was mine (and as default the website's). The image is used on the site under "Southwick Place: Then & Now -- http://www.robertstrongwoodward.com/Scrapbook/SouthwickThenNow.html.

Then I received an error code to the effect that my status was basically 'unconfirmed.' I understand and even respect the process of producing credibility of a user, however, the upload, to me, appeared to fail completely and I do not know why. There appears to be NO way to confirm the legitimacy of the image or the approval of the Woodward website for its use.

How do I go about getting this done? Is their a procedure in place that awards authority regarding real-world representatives of specific articles on Wiki? The estate has owned and operated its website since 2002. I have been its chief developer and creative director for just over 10 years. We are honored to be on Wikipedia's site and want to participate. We would like to add images to the page and want to know how to expedite the process?

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Regards, Brian Charles Miller — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrianCharlesMiller (talk • contribs) 15:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! In order to use your image, you need to upload it to the Wikimedia Commons website, where you can license your image under CC-by-SA or the public domain. Then, you can use the "use on a wiki" feature and copy and paste the source code into the infobox of the page you want to use it in. Codyorb (talk) 17:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

• There are other considerations here. First: our upload process is complex because we try very hard to comply with copyright law. Sorry. Second: you have already published your picture on the Internet on a page that asserts copyright. The very easiest way to convince us that you wish to release the picture under an acceptable license is to change the copyright notice on that page to reference CC-BY-SA, at least for that particular image. (see WP:CC-BY-SA). This would allow you (or anyone else) to then upload the picture to Wikimedia commons without any extra hassle. Please note that if that image is to be used in Wikipedia, it must be CC-BY-SA (or similar) and then anybody can use the image for any purpose. Third: You say you "represent" the subject. Please read and adhere to WP:COI: Please do not make non-trivial edits to the article yourself, but instead make suggestions on its talk page. Also if you are employed by the subject or or otherwise being compensated by the subject, then you are required by our terms of service to declare this: see WP:PAID. These rules may seem harsh to a new editor such as yourself. Please think of them this way: when you read a Wikipedia article to learn about a subject, what rules would you like the editors of that article to have followed? Please do not get discouraged. We are a volunteer community of more than a million editors who have put together an encyclopedia of more than 5.6 million articles using these rules. -Arch dude (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hi, BrianCharlesMiller. First time around, Wikipedia can seem unfathomably. It isn’t really as it is very easy. As you may many images to upload in the future, suggest you start off on the right foot. For images, create a Wikimedia Commons account. To legitimately upload an image you simply send in an email. The template is here in the grey box :Commons:Email templates. This does not distract from the above post, pointing out that you have to declare a COI & PAID. Yet, as we are volunteers there is a bit of a back-log on processing these email ( which we call OTRS's) so send in an e-mail as quickly as possible. As soon as your submission has been approved, it can be added to this article, both on 'English' Wikipedia and Wikipedia in any other language. Take things one step at a time. Don't know if any other editors what to add more to this but as a Content Manager you should have the IT skills to follow through without any more help. Aspro (talk) 20:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Template not working

In the article John Daly (skeleton racer), the template is not working. I've tried to troubleshoot the issue with different bracket placements, but it's not working. Can someone fix this? Codyorb (talk) 17:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Codyorb  Fixed it was just a line break in the wrong place: Noyster (talk), 17:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Codyorb (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Help needed with a template

Hello,

I need some help with Template:Largest cities of the Netherlands. The link directs to "The Netherlands" which redacts to "Netherlands". Can someone please install a feature on this template or its model to correct it? Also, the data concerns municipalities and not technically towns and cities. So the title should be "Largest municipalities of the Netherlands". Thanks.

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure what you want to correct? Ruslik_Zero 20:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@WhatsUpWorld: I guess you mean The Netherlands redirects to Netherlands and not "redacts". {{Largest cities of the Netherlands}} uses {{Largest cities}}. There is no option to bypass a redirect on the country name and I don't see a strong need to do it. Redirects work fine. The documentation shows you can call it with | kind = municipalities to replace "cities or towns". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! WhatsUpWorld (talk) 21:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Grenfell Tower fire page addition needed

Dear editors, as a resident local to Grenfell tower, having lost people I knew, I read the entry with interest. At the beginning it states 71 lives were lost. Although this is the official figure, it is commonly held in our community that at least 72 died (many believe even more), since the death of Maria del Pilar Burton (known as Pily), who was rescued from the fire but died as a result of her injuries at a later date having never left hospital or recovered. You can use the following as a reference - http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/27/one-last-people-pulled-grenfell-tower-dies-seven-months-later-7346680/ And I am sure you can find other references to her online. Please amend the article as a mark of respect to her family and in the interests of accuracy. Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by MelodyMole76 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@MelodyMole76: You are referring to the article at Grenfell_Tower_fire. Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. The article is using the official figures for the death count, but it also says that there are people who think that count is too low. If you have suggestions for improving the article, you can discuss it on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 20:08, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Frank McCool

Frank McCool did not die in Ontario. He passed away in his home town of Calgary, Alberta Canada at the Calgary General Hospital. I am his first born Son and was there for his passing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danmccool (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi Daniel. Thank you for the correction. Diane's genealogy website says your father died in Cochrane, Alberta. Could you find an obituary so that we can add a reliable source to the article? Meanwhile, I've removed the error. Dbfirs 21:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

For convenience, the article is Frank McCool Meters (talk) 21:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I forgot to link. The only obituary I could find was for a different Frank McCool. Dbfirs 21:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Only source I can find says, death was in Ottawa, but is not RS, and I have no reason not to believe the poster. Meters (talk) 21:32, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I found this article from the New York Times [3]. It doesn't say where he died (although if you are the general manager of an Alberta newspaper you generally should live there, especially in the 70s when there was no internet) but there is an option to see the full article if you have a subscription. If anyone does that could be helpful. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:45, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Newsletter.

Can I write my own newletter for the WikiProject Dinosaurs? PW102281 (talk) 23:59, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@PW102281: You should ask the project members at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Dinosaurs RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 10 April 2018 (UTC)