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February 13

not keep change during BRD

Confusion during BRD at ExxonMobil climate change controversy. It is my understanding that changes are not kept during discussion during BRD, until consensus is reached, correct? X1\ (talk) 01:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@X1\: I'm not entirely clear on what you are asking, but WP:BRD Neither requires nor encourages reverting changes. You can't use BRD as a reason to revert good-faith edits. Do not engage in an edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

X1\, the chronology here is a bit of a mess, but the general takeaway from WP:BRD is that the point where someone reverts and then starts a discussion about it on the talk page is where re-reverting/changes should cease until the discussion indicates otherwise. I'll leave it to you to figure out which point that actually was in this case. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:10, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Elmidae: Thank you. X1\ (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft not published

Hello! About 1 month ago I created a new entry. After writing the text I submitted it to Wikipedia, and the entry was first publishes as a draft. Since then, I have never heard of it again, and it is still only online as a draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sepp_Kipfstuhl Should I do something to get the draft version public as a regular entry? Thanks!

133.44.1.222 (talk) 07:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

No one knew to look at it. I've just sent it into WP:AfC where an experiemced editor will eventually give you feedback and/or move it into article space. Legacypac (talk) 08:03, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Seems more confusion caused by the 'save' button being changed to 'publish'! The page was saved as a draft by clicking 'publish'. For future reference, to submit a draft for review, place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. Eagleash (talk) 12:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

truth

Hi! Editing an article about Kay Kamen I noticed that info differs in different sources. In new source #1 (https://books.google.pt/books?id=pgUvDQAAQBAJ&pg=PR118&lpg=PR118&dq=Kay+Kamen&source=bl&ots=yNpc5nYc0W&sig=yn0oSEqUjDL0hkUeN9ffNF5Glzs&hl=ru&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX28vknKDZAhVMVxQKHWovBig4ChDoAQhaMAg#v=onepage&q=Kay%20Kamen&f=false) says that Kamen first contacted Walt and Roy Disney offering to "sell their cartoon mouse", and in the previous source it says vice versa (Career section). Another source is #4 in the reflist http://www.cbc.ca/radio/undertheinfluence/summer-series-movie-merchandising-1.3462981 Please help to reveal the TRUTH to make the article verifiable and fair. Thanks beforehand Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 10:59, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Lidiia Kondratieva. I haven't looked at the details, but please bear in mind that Wikipedia deals in verifiability not truth. If apparently reliable sources say different things, then a Wikipedia article should note the fact, and summarise what they say, but should not attempt to resolve the disagreement or draw a conclusion. Edited to correct a typo --ColinFine (talk) 11:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 23:11, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

editing film article for educational project - question

Hello,

I'm writing on this page because I have a question regarding a film article me and my group are meant to edit, District 9 (now C-class rated). Since we have a 500w limit overall -either to add or remove content- and the article contains several paragraphs that refer to dead links (therefore, ideally they should be removed and replaced with our elaboration of scholastic sources), plus the plot is too long for the standards (more than 800w when we know an average plot is 700w maximum), plus in the talk page of the article there is a request to add content on a certain theme which is barely mentioned in the article under the critical/political reception, 'the white saviour (complex), we were wondering what we should focus on: removing all of the non-reliable citations or shorten the plot. Our doubt relies in the fact that, if we remove material from the article is it counted in the world count, so for example: if we remove 300w (between plot and the several non-reliable paragraphs), when we add new content we have a limit of 200w. Would you suggest to remove all of the dead links-related paragraphs or just some of them, the ones we can easily find reliable sources on, shorten the plot or add content as requested in the talk page.

I hope my request was clear enough. Thanks for anyone who will answer!

Elena.valeri (talk) 13:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Elena.valeri. (I have replaced your reference by a Wikilink: that is a much better way of linking to articles within Wikipedia.) It sounds as if the requirements of your course and those of Wikipedia may be in contention to a degree: certainly, Wikipedia is not interested in some externally applied word limit. My sympathies for this. I can only answer for Wikipedia's needs: there is no need to try and do everything at once. Take the paragraphs one at a time - it's usually better practice to make many smaller edits than one big one anyway, for all sorts of reasons. Note that just because a link is dead is not a good reason to remove it (see Link rot); but if you have other sources and can genuinely improve the paragraph, please do so. --ColinFine (talk) 13:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. Thank you very much for your reply! Me and my group will try to do our best. Elena.valeri (talk) 15:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Elana.

The current plot is 484 words, so that is well within the limits of WP:FILMPLOT: "Plot summaries for feature films should be between 400 and 700 words." I'd suggest not to shorten the plot.

I ran a bot on the references, and there are, if I can count correctly, only two dead links to sources. Please do not remove them, see WP:KDL. We might be able to find them in another archive. Sam Sailor 13:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sam I've posted this before noticing that one of my group-mates had already started his editing. I've seen you've re-edit his work as it was too invasive, I actually agree with that! We will try to do better. Unfortunately we are still beginners and some of my group-mates are a bit 'impulsive', but I assure you we will apply ourselves more respecting Wikipedia's norms and contributing positively to this community. Thank you again for your help. Elena.valeri (talk) 15:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Can I find something about Michel_Zevaco_-_Le_Capitan. ?

Hello I am a new here I just have registered recently and I need a copy of this novel ( English edition) I have a little knowledge about the author language the French so that's my purpose why I come here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammad Ahmad-55 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mohammad Ahmad-55: Welcome to Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia. We have an article on Michel Zevaco. We don't have copies of books here. Try your local or online bookstore. RudolfRed (talk) 19:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

• Welcome to Wikipedia. If you click on this link to Michel Zevaco, you will go to our article. At the bottom, there is an obscure box called "authority control". Within that box, click on "worldcat id". This will take you to the page at the Library of Congress worldcat site about where his works can be found in physical libraries all over the world, hopefully including ones near you. If this fails you can try some of the other links from the "authority control". These go to other similar databases at other national libraries. Please note that none of these databases are part of Wikipedia. Rather, they are maintained by other completely independent organizations. Good luck!-Arch dude (talk) 20:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Upload a Picture of NBC Score Bug From 2015-17

Can You Upload a Picture of the NBC Score Bug from 2015-17 for please but I Don't Know How to upload can you help me please. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 22:52, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Why Didn't You Answer Me A While Ago. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 04:48, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Patience is required. Will respond in the appropriate venue: Wikipedia:Files for upload#2015–17 NBC Score Bug --Majora (talk) 04:52, 14 February 2018 (UTC)