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February 17

Stoopid Monkey to Stoopid Buddy

Hi there — I’ve submitted this to the talk page but have had no response yet. Trying to get further help.

I’m repping Stoopid Buddy Stoodios here and need some help updating this article for Stoopid Monkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoopid_Monkey

In 2011, Stoopid Monkey owners Matt Senreich and Seth Green partnered with John Harvatine IV and Eric Towner of Buddy Systems Studios to merge and found Stoopid Buddy Stoodios. Robot Chicken was produced by Stoopid Monkey until Season 6 in 2011. Any production 2011 or later is produced by Stoopid Buddy Stoodios, NOT Stupid Monkey. Robot Chicken Seasons 1-5: Stoopid Monkey. Seasons 6-present: Stoopid Buddy Stoodios.

There is no page for Stoopid Buddy Stoodios yet. Hoping to edit this page first before creating the new Stoopid Buddy Stoodios page. Can someone help edit this information and remove all credits post 2011?

You can find this information and more specific details on the website, specifically in the founder biography sections. http://www.leagueofbuddies.com/about/the-buddies/founders/john-harvatine-iv/

Any help appreciated. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davsnothere (talk • contribs) 00:03, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Davesnothere. I fear that you have a (very common) misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia has no role whatever in the publicity or online presence of Stoopid Buddy, Stoopid Monkey, or any other person or organisation. If we have an article about Stoopid Buddy, it will be Wikipedia's article about them, it will not belong to them, and while anybody in the world may edit it, people connected with the studios will be strongly discouraged from doing so directly. The article should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the studios have chosen to publish about it in reliable places: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what any organisation says about themselves, or what their employees and associates say about them.

So, what should you do? First, read about our policies and advice for editors with a conflict of interest; and if you are in any way paid in your role, make the mandatory declaration for paid editors. Then, if you think there should be changes to the article Stoopid Monkey, suggest them on the talk page Talk:Stoopid Monkey. Make them as specific as possible ("change xxx to yyy") and accompany them with references to reliable published sources, preferably sources unconnected with Stoopid Monkey. If there is little traffic on that talk page, you can add {{edit request}} (with the double curly brackets) to your suggestion, which will put it on a list of suggestions awaiting attention.

As for creating an article on Stoopid Buddy; you are discouraged from trying to create one, but not forbidden. It is worth you investigating to see if it meets the criteria for notability - that is, if several people unconnected with it have chosen to publish in depth about it in reliable places. If you can't find some of these, then give up: it is not worth you or anybody wasting time on an article which will not be accepted. If you can find some high-quality sources, then an article is possible. It is difficult for an inexperienced editor to create a new article, and doubly difficult for one with a conflict of interest; but if you want to try, start by reading Your first article. My suggestion would be to try and find somebody at a relevant WikiProject who is willing to work with you: perhaps at WT:WikiProject Record Production. Good luck.--ColinFine (talk) 10:13, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

How to edit an erroneous Wikipedia entry that is locked

The entry in the Willis Tower attributes the design of the building to Fazlur Khan. In fact Khan was the structural engineer. Bruce Graham was the architect. This is widely known as undisputed fact. Khan and Graham worked together on both Willis and the Hancock and were friends. There gravestones are side by side in Graceland Cemetary in Chicago. It is a horrible slight to Graham that his name would be stricken from The authorship of the tower probably due to the zealous advocacy of Khan’s daughter Yasmin, who failed to recognize that the engineer and architect worked side by side with mutual respect. Graham held an engineering degree from Case Western as well as an Architecture degree from the University of Pennsylvania. He spoke both languages. This entry is an insult to a great architect. It is mean spirited. Fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arhos1019 (talk • contribs) 04:42, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't follow your objection; the article states clearly "Their team of architect Bruce Graham and structural engineer Fazlur Rahman Khan designed the building..." What do you want changed? --Jayron32 05:35, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Jayron32:, @Arhos1019:, the lead section of Willis Tower included the claim "The building is considered a seminal achievement for its architect Fazlur Rahman Khan". I've removed the line, as that particular claim is not supported by the reference cited. Rojomoke (talk) 06:29, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Update image on page for band

Hi -

Trying to update photos for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cast_of_Beatlemania

Members have changed.

Apparently I do not have permission?

Can you please assist?

I took the photo and I am the copyright holder.

Thank you kindly in advance.

Barbara Colcino — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhaynet1 (talk • contribs) 05:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Bhaynet1: where were you trying to upload them to? I see you have an account at Wikimedia Commons, but you have never (successfully) made a contribution there. Maproom (talk) 13:48, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Unsuccessful AfD entry

An AfD discussion on the article Realm (magazine) made through Twinkle by a user doesn't seem to have been successful. Could someone please look into it? Thanks, MT Train^Discuss 06:18, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

MT Train, The AfD page wasn't created successfully, perhaps because Rogermx didn't give a reason for his AfD in the Twinkle dialogue. I've reverted for now, but obviously Rogermx, or anyone else, can nom again including a reason Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:38, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for fixing that. Was afraid that I would botch it further if I tried anything. Rogermx (talk) 13:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Sygnature Discovery

Hi there,

I have created the following page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sygnature_Discovery

How can I get it from draft to published?

Thanks Filipa — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilipaAntunes23 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

FilipaAntunes23: if this draft is ever to be accepted as an article, you (or someone) will need to find some reliable independent published sources that discuss its subject, and cite them, to establish that the company is notable. Maproom (talk) 12:37, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

FilipaAntunes23, if you have a conflict of interest, you must declare it. If you work directly or indirectly for the company, or otherwise are acting on its behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. If you are paid directly or indirectly by the organisation you are writing about, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:FilipaAntunes23. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Help desk/Archives|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:51, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Template link

• Korea women's national ice hockey team#2018 Winter Olympics

Hello. I don't know why links of Korea ({{ihw|Korea|unification}}) and Korea ({{ihw-rt|Korea|unification}}) and is different. Where can I change it? Would you tell me, if you know it. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 12:25, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

In order to get the korean team the way that the other 7 participants are, where it simply goes to the team rather than something specific to this olympics, it needs to use KOR rather than spelled out Korea.Naraht (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Naraht: I didn't mean it. My point is the template {{ihw}} is a template about "ice hockey team". But the template {{ihw}} is different from {{ihw-rt}}, as follows.

• Korea: link to Korea women's national ice hockey team
• Korea: link to Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics, not Korea women's national ice hockey team

Thanks. --Garam (talk) 07:53, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Not sure. The question is, which one should it be?Naraht (talk) 13:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Naraht: I hope to change the link in template "Korea" from Korea at the 2018 Winter Olympics to Korea women's national ice hockey team, like template "Korea". Thanks. --Garam (talk) 13:31, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

To be honest those two pages should probably be merged since they are essentially the same thing as it is the only sport they are competing in. -DJSasso (talk) 13:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

That being said, it is fixed. -DJSasso (talk) 15:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Jack Kesy Bio Page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kesy

"Personal life" includes information populated against the Wikipedia policy cited:

"This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Take extra care to use high-quality sources. Material about living persons should not be added when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. See more information on sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard. If you are connected to one of the subjects of this article and need help, see this page."

New York Post is a talboid and there is no other reliable sourcing cited.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.168.237 (talk) 12:47, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I've removed that section from the article. Even the New York Post article doesn't claim that he was found guilty. Maproom (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

AFD Removal

Can you please re-review and remove AFD from Ninja Singer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahulmehta942 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Rahulmehta942, it was a proposed deletion which is now gone, it was not an AfD. I've moved the page to the correct title, but I don't think he is notable anyway, so I've initiated an AfD now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:44, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

My edits were reverted by a new page reviewer - How can I contact that person to revert back?

Robert Underwood Johnson

I edited my great grandfather's page and a new page reviewer reverted everything. I principally used his autobiography. The old page is seriously incomplete. I've never edited before and am guessing that I needed to cite the autobiography as the source - though it is listed in his publications. What do I do now?!?!? Cathy Deely — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbdeely (talk • contribs)

It looks like the reverting editor explained their objections both when doing the revert [1] and again on your talk page [2]. Unfortunately that user is currently blocked for unrelated reasons so further discussion witht hem is unlikely at the moment. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

God Gave Rock and Roll to You

I have been trying to improve a Wikipedia page but another user (User:Walter Görlitz) has been telling me that my edits are “unconstructive” and reverting my edits. The article in question is God Gave Rock and Roll to You. I believe that they are constructive.

He may have a point about the added headings and I am willing to acknowledge that, but the point is that the song is by a band called Argent and all other versions are covers, even though they are better known today. The article needs to make it clearer that it is an Argent song and do it visually through heading structure and reorganisation. That is what my edits have been about.

After viewing the last year of edit history on the page, it seems he may feel some ownership of the page as he resists any attempts to change it. Surely it is this attitude and behaviour from him that is unconstructive, and not my edits?

Now he is going through my other edits on other pages and reverting them. This seems to be personal to him. It seems to be a targetted vendetta.

Please note that I have been using my IP address (123.2.117.167) to edit and not my account which I opened some 15 years ago.

Both of you should stop edit warring and discuss it on the talk page. I’ve protected the page from editing for a few days to facilitate that. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:30, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

What’s the point? He has obviously decided that he has a right to veto any changes to the page that he doesn’t agree with. This sort of thing is the major problem with Wikipedia: personal fiefdoms. Is anyone addressing this? Doesn’t seem to be. reinthal (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. The article is about a song, not a song performed by a particular band. The major problem with Wikipedia is that anyone can edit it and when they don't discuss the issues and instead accuse others of problems that don't exist, it becomes problematic. Will take to talk page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Walter Görlitz says he will “take to talk page”, but has so far declined to address the points I put to him.reinthal (talk) 23:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Issue with how to handle the editing of the article "Ithaka Darin Pappas".

Hello, I have encountered the page Ithaka Darin Pappas, which suffers from the following issues:

1. The introductory section describes the subject as a "sculptor, painter, photographer, songwriter, vocalist, hip hop artist, writer, poet, record producer and surfer"; while these careers are all referenced in the article, it results in an overly long introduction - yet I am unsure how to edit this to read more concisely.

2. In the same section it is mentioned that the subject works in "Japan, Greece, Portugal, Brazil and Mexico": similarly to the first issue, I believe it is possible to word this in order to create a more consise introduction, but I am unsure of how to achieve this.

3. Use of potential Peacock Terms such as "well-known" and "stardom" - I am unsure of how to replace these.

4. The majority of the article consists of a lengthy "Works" sections; is this possible to shorten?

AlpacaSparkle (talk) 23:40, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Does @User notify the corresponding user?

For example, if someone else puts @Acebulf, will it notify me? Acebulf (talk) 23:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No. In order for a notification to happen, the username would have to be linked, so @Acebulf wouldn't work, but @Acebulf would, as would just User:Acebulf. The {{ping}} and {{U}} templates are just wrappers around the linking functionality. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) x2 @Acebulf: Yes, sort of but not by using '@'. You need to 'ping' as I have done here and it will only work if you sign a message at the same time as adding the ping. See WP:PING for more info. Eagleash (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)