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January 6

Changes to Canadian Pacific Railway Page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Canadian_Pacific_Railway_Limited

On this page, suggest that a Keith Creel page be created and hyperlinked too. He is the 17th leader of Canadian Pacific and should have a Wikipedia page.

His details are available at http://www.cpr.ca/en/about-cp/executive-profiles/keith-creel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:70FD:400:4164:3A8D:1FBF:71A7 (talk) 02:58, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! See new article at Keith Creel (executive): Noyster (talk), 13:17, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

How do I get an image to not keep its original aspect ratio?

I had difficulties exporting it, and now I want to put in on Golden ratio with a caption with a width:height ratio of 16:9. The N^th User I like to use parser functions. Care to differ or discuss? 03:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

You cannot display an image at another aspect ratio. You have to upload a new version. You could make a request at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:28, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll make a request now. The N^th User I like to use parser functions. Care to differ or discuss? 03:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I just put in a request there. The N^th User I like to use parser functions. Care to differ or discuss? 03:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done nagualdesign 03:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Women%27s_volleyball_leagues

This is done in the wrong space, I've figured out (way past hopes of going 'live') :(

• Ping*

I'm lost/I don't know what I'm doing. lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShelbyLH (talk • contribs) 06:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

@ShelbyLH: I have moved the page for you. See WP:PAGEMOVE and WP:NAMESPACE for more info. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 06:53, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

What should the name of the article be? It's currently named "Women's volleyball leagues" but the article seems to be about "Big West volleyball" specifically, not women's volleyball leagues in general. Note that we already have an article called Big West Conference. Perhaps the two articles should be merged into one (see WP:MERGE)? I know nothing about volleyball. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 07:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Size of non-free media

File:Drop_(loyalty_program)_logo.svg is a non-free company logo. Ronhjones and another editor have each added the message "This non-free media file should be replaced with a smaller version to comply with Wikipedia's non-free content policy". As the image is an SVG file, it is not clear what the message means by "smaller". It would be easy to reduce the size of the image as measured in the pixels used internally by the SVG code; this would have no effect on the way it is rendered, but might conceivably help to comply with Wikipedia's policy. And as the image is a simple combination of geometric shapes (four rectangles, three annuli, and a quadrant) it would also be fairly easy to rewrite the SVG code itself to be more compact; if done competently, this would also have no effect on the way it is rendered. What is really being requested here? Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Meeting_the_no_free_equivalent_criterion provides little enlightenment. Maproom (talk) 07:30, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but I'd suggest that they placed the template in error, thinking it was a raster file type. As you say, SVGs have no 'size', per se. That's what the S is all about. At WP:FREER it says, For a vector image (i.e. SVG) of a non-free logo or other design, US law is not clear as to whether the vectorization of the logo has its own copyright which exists in addition to any copyright on the actual logo. To avoid this uncertainty, editors who upload vector images of non-free logos should use a vector image that was produced by the copyright holder of the logo and should not use a vector image from a site such as seeklogo.com where the vectorization of a logo may have been done without authorization from the logo's copyright holder. Make of that what you will. nagualdesign 07:39, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

The non-free content policy talks about "Minimal extent of use" (3b). For raster images, this naturally means resolution (or to be more accurate, image size where resolution is taken into account). For SVG images, this "minimal extent of use" needs to be grasped in different terms. It certainly pertains to how large the image is rendered. But it can also refer to how rich in defined elements the SVG file itself is. In order to reduce the "extent" of an SVG file, one would then have to remove some defined elements. There is some talk to that effects on the talk archives of WP:NFCC, though it sounds fairly inconclusive. At any rate, Template:Non-free reduce supports an SVG parameter, talking about the nominal size of the file. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 10:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

There has been lots of discussion about how "small" should be applied - or not - to SVG files. I don't recall any conclusion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:15, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

In Category:Non-free logos there are 4 SVG files; File:GiveDirectly logo.svg (nominally 529 × 87 pixels, file size: 12 KB), File:Hendrick Motorsports Logo.svg (nominally 239 × 100 pixels, file size: 10 KB), File:Nan Chiau High School Logo.svg (nominally 512 × 512 pixels, file size: 14 KB and marked with {{Non-free reduce}}) and File:XFX logo v2 black text.svg (nominally 65 × 18 pixels, file size: 480 KB). The latter is tiny, but with a very large filesize, and available at up to 1,280 × 354 pixels. So it seems like it's the 'nominal' size that's the issue. File:Drop (loyalty program) logo.svg is nominally 512 × 256 pixels, file size: 3 KB. nagualdesign 11:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

There has been in the past lots of discussion about svg in non-free images, and whether they should be allowed (as they are effectively a high res image). But they are allowed, but the nominal size need to conform with the NFC guideline, so that when the image is viewed on the image page, the initial displayed image (which wiki shows as a png) is less than 100,000 pixels. We have no way of doing these automatically, so they get added to Category:Wikipedia non-free file size reduction requests for manual processing, along with the PDF and TIF files. There is a resize process at User:Ronhjones/SVGreduce, it just a basic resize - they are other ways of doing it. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 15:12, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm surprised that someone hasn't written a bit of code that a bot could use to do the whole thing automatically; finding files, calculating the nominal size and outputting an amended file. Maybe worth putting a request in... umm... somewhere. nagualdesign 15:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Controversial subject : propaganda

Hello, I wrote a biography article about Vanessa Beeley. This is a very complicated article, because it is about propaganda, and powerful misinformation networks behind, so many people would have interests in deleting this article. So I fear it will soon be deleted, edited, etc. (if fro good reason by Wikipedia, no problem, but if not, because of conflict of interests, this would annoy me). So far, one user added 3 warning headlines. One of them seems justified as it says some sources may not be reliable, which I can understand. I'd like advice to know if it's better to let a sentene without any source, or letting the source that may not be reliable (for instance, the wikipedia or twitter accounts of famous journalists from the Guradian), to help improve the reliability of my article. The other 2 headlines, I'm not sure they are justified or not, it is concerning the notability of Vanessa Beeley (she is a weel-know blogger, she regularly appears and is published in Russian media, she is invited in conferences with some main media, she had an article about her is several main media, so I think she fulfils Wikipedia notability policies). (The same article on French Wikipedia is online). How can I have advice concerning my article, the headlines, etc ? I'd like to have the advice of administrators, to avoid people with to much conflict of interest. Thanks ! --M.A. Martin (talk) 12:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

If you can't find a reliable source by Wikipedia's definition for any statement, don't include that statement. At the moment, the article includes citations to assorted blogs, Twitter, LinkedIn, Russia Today, and GoFundMe, all of which are almost certainly inappropriate. For both legal and ethical reasons, Wikipedia has extremely strict rules when writing biographies of living people, and except for the most uncontroversial facts such as dates of birth and undisputed quotations include material which is sourced to independent, third party, reliable sources. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, not a directory-of-everything, and we only summarise what other people have said about a topic, we never engage in original research of our own. Basically, you can only include what other reliable sources have said about her, and every single statement needs to say where you've sourced it from. Of the sources currently on the article, the only ones I'd consider acceptable at a quick glance are this Guardian article provided it's made clear that this is an opinion piece, this BBC source (albeit that doesn't actually mention her), and the Lancet article which likewise doesn't appear to mention her. ‑ Iridescent 12:50, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Note. This question was already posted at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Headlines about controversial subject. Questions should not be reposted on multiple boards to attract extra attention. See WP:FORUMSHOP. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Iridescent Finnusertop thank you for your help, I'm sorry, I thought my username would be quoted if I had an answer, so I didn't check this page before and didn't see your answers, this is why I asked the same question today on an other page (thank you for the link you've just gave me, Iridscent !). I didn't mean to attrack more attention or double your work, I just tried to get answers to my questions. So thank you to both of you. I have a few more questions. I hope you'll have a few more time to answer me, please.

1) Please could you confirm to me that there are no other sources considered reliable here on English Wikipedia among all these : Channel 4 Fact Check, Snopes, Orient News, Al Araby (=The new arab), etc ? Don't worry, I don't think I'm going to try to publish any thing ever her after this experience, but I would like to know, because if so, it means that my draft waiting for review, about Eva Bartlett may also be refused, besides, I'm not sure wether sources in other languages (in addition to main sources in English, of course), may be used.

Iridescent You tell that for the Guardian article, I have to make "clear that this is an opinion piece". But it isn't, it was not published under the banner "opinion", or on a blog related to the Guardian, but directly in "World", "News", by The Guardian editor desk itself, as a full inquiry from our of their journalist... or at least, if you can find a contrary information, please tell me, because and I wasn't able to discover that (and the English speaker friend who helped me gathering the source neither)? When it was the case that it was an opinion piece linked to a main media, I tried to make it clear, as for the author & researcher who wrote her opinion for Al Jazeera.

Thank you very much.M.A. Martin (talk) 22:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)M.A. Martin (talk) 22:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

John Wadham (died 1412)

Hello,

I am new to this, so please forgive my current lack of competence.

I am keen to see a Wikipedia article published for John Wadham (died 1412), a medieval Justice of The Common Pleas. SeraphWiki has reviewed my draft and (currently only, I hope) rejected it on the grounds that it appears to be over-reliant on one source, which I understand, and will now add more citations and sources.

However, I would also be grateful if SeraphWiki would contact me in order to keep an eye on my progress and help guide the article safely through to publication.

Kindest regards,

Even-tables Even-tables (talk) 14:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

If you want to contact SeraphWiki the place to do it is at User talk:SeraphWiki. Links were provided in the feedback which you received at User talk:85.255.236.118. I notice also that the draft has had a WP:copyright violation removed, and that the reason for the draft being declined was not that it relied on a single source but that you had copied content verbatim from already published material. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:14, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Promotional Pages in Sandbox

Was online earlier and witnessed someone creating this page in their own userspace. WP:BADSAND (the only policy I could find relating to this) says nothing about promotional pages but there's no way creating ads that will later be CSD'd is totally acceptable. How should this sort of thing be handled? Titanium Wolf (talk) 15:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

User MER-C has deleted User:Ahmedbohoty/sandbox because the sandbox itself also met the CSD criteria G11 - Unambiguous advertising or promotion. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 16:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Missing draft

Hi I created a draft called: The Golden Hind (Named Train)

I have come to look to see if it has been approved and its disappeared, and its not showing as deleted or approved?146.200.77.220 (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

It was located over at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Golden_Hind_(Named_Train) and deleted by User:RHaworth with the reason: "Recently created article that duplicates an existing topic, Golden Hind (passenger train)". (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 19:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

That criterion (A10) strictly applies only to "articles", not to drafts. If it is felt that it ought to apply to drafts as well, ought the definition at WP:CSD to be changed? --David Biddulph (talk) 23:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I know very little about that kinda stuff. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

I have no idea what might have happenned to your draft, but was it really necessary? Isn't Golden Hind (passenger train) article just about the same...? --CiaPan (talk) 19:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Hia CiaPan, the article you say someone else made, is the exact same one I created, I don't get how, but someone else has copied it and put it under their name? Surely that's stealing as I should be getting some credit? 146.200.77.220 (talk) 20:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Modify template for Wikidata usage

Hey there,
who could change templates so that they appear in the maintenance categories for Wikidata? (Category:Wikipedia categories tracking data not in Wikidata, Category:Wikipedia categories tracking data same as Wikidata‎)

• source for: Template:Iobdb name

{{#if:{{{1<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}{{{id|}}}{{#property:P4456}}
|[http://www.lortel.org/Archives/CreditableEntity/{{Trim|{{{1|{{{id<includeonly>|{{#property:P4456}}</includeonly>}}}}}}}} {{#if:{{{2|{{{name<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}}}}|{{{2|{{{name}}}}}}|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}}}] at the [[Lortel Archives|Internet Off-Broadway Database]]<includeonly>{{EditAtWikidata|pid=P4456|{{{1|{{{id|}}}}}}}}{{WikidataCheck|property=P4456|value={{{1|{{{id|}}}}}}|category=Internet Off-Broadway Database person ID}}</includeonly>
|<span class="error">{{[[Template:Iobdb name|Iobdb name]]}} template missing ID and not present in Wikidata.</span>{{Main other|[[Category:Iobdb name template missing ID]]}}
}}{{Main other|[[Category:Articles with Iobdb links]]}}<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>

Thanks for an answer or doing --2A02:560:410F:7E00:2162:1503:747D:756D (talk) 19:47, 6 January 2018 (UTC)