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allmusic

Is www.allmusic.com considered to be RS? RJFJR (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, generally. As long as editors stick to the parts that are written by professional music journalists, I don't see a problem. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources discourages citing genres from AllMusic's sidebar. The rest of the site is generally signed off by journalists, including the biographies and reviews. For more discussion, you can view the WP:RSN archives. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:37, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Odd history at "Pay it forward"

(This is of zero urgency and low importance.) I went in to fix a ref error at Pay it forward, and found a history page like nothing I've seen before. Before I change anything, I wanted to run this past someone - what's going on here? Thanks. Jessicapierce (talk) 04:34, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Do you mean why are all the edits hidden? This is because of Wikipedia:Revision deletion. Sometimes if there is offensive, copyrighted etc. material in edit summaries or edits admins will hide it from public view. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:37, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I'm used to seeing a few such strikethroughs indicating deletion, but it's usually more clear what the situation was (as you say, copyright issues, etc.) - this gives no clue as to what happened. And the deletions that I've seen usually apply to the actions of one or a few contributors to the article. This run of deletions goes back to 2016, and removed the edits of over a dozen people. It just looked so totally weird to me, especially because I can't really tell what was done in the most recent edit. Thank you for your reply! Jessicapierce (talk)

If you go to the history page, and view the last non-struck edit before the strikes start, you can then click on the next diff, and it will take you to a page where you can click to see the deletion log. In the case you linked to above, apparently it was disruptive material that was deleted. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Jessicapierce, TheSandDoctor revdeled as Purely disruptive material, WP:RD3 Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:46, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

You can also click "View logs for this page" at the top of the page history. If unwanted content has stayed for multiple edits then all the edits must be revision deleted to hide the content. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

As the others have said Jessicapierce, it was purely disruptive material introduced in 2016 that was removed. It is nothing to worry about, you may edit the page. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 13:14, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense. Thank you all for taking the time to reply - it's been very helpful! Jessicapierce (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

opening?

what can i do to get a job in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.99.85.162 (talk) 07:30, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid there are no jobs in Wikipedia. It is entirely created and edited by volunteers. (The Wikimedia Foundation employs a small number of people, like any other technology company, but they do not work on Wikipedia content as part of their job). --ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

You can look if there are job openings at the Wikimedia Foundation. Thinker78 (talk) 07:00, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Request: Guest Blog Entry

Hello there,

My name is Brenda Mitchell. I am contacting you on behalf of a betting company that may wish to contribute an article to your site with a do follow link.

I would like to know your prices and if you offered this kind of service.

Kindly note that the article must be permanent and not be marked as sponsored.

Sincerely,

Contact me at <redacted>

124.106.240.24 (talk) 09:57, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I'm afraid Wikipedia does not allow content that can be considered in anyway promotional. Articles in the encyclopedia are written by volunteer editors with no connection to the the subject and are based on what has been witten about the topic in multiple reliable sources. Little, if anything that a subject has to say about itself would be acceptable or usable in a Wiki article. If your company is truly notable then at some future date, a page could be created. If a page were created, it would be Wikipedia's page about the company not 'their' page and persons with a connection to the subject would be required not to edit it. Eagleash (talk) 10:10, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Brenda. I think you are confusing us with some other site. 

This is Wikipedia. It is an encyclopedia. It is not a blog. It does not take paid material of any kind. It does not permit promotional material of any kind. Content is preferably not written by anybody connected with the subject, and if it is, should be clearly marked as such. Almost every part of Wikipedia may be freely edited by anybody (in accordance with the rules and policies of Wikipedia). And nobody will contact you other than answering here.

Is there anything else we can help you with? --ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• Hi Brenda. Two additional points: First, should you decide to attempt to create such an article yourself, you must first declare you status as a paid editor: see WP:PAID, and unless your subject (the company) is notable as we define the term, not as you define the term, your article would be deleted: see WP:NOTABLE. Second: there are companies and individuals who represent themselves as being able to add an article about your company to Wikipedia. They will take your money and write the article, but it will be deleted anyway, so don't waste your money. -Arch dude (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
• ... and remember, "When the fun stops, stop." -Roxy, the dog. barcus 15:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about page mover

Hello. I relisted this as it went archived without a response. I was planning on request the page mover permission once I get to 3,000 edits. As I am involved with WP:Requested moves, and also has moved some pages myself. Just one question though. Does consensus have to go my way in the votes that I propose in order to get the permission? I know quite a few of my RM's have not been unsuccessful, but my RM's are all good faith, so I was just wondering. Your help will be appreciated. Thank you. The Duke of Nonsense^{What is necessary for thee?}. 10:20, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• @In Memoriam A.H.H.: As indicated in Wikipedia:Page_mover#Guidelines_for_granting (and as usual for that kind of things), what matters is that you show a good understanding of page move policies. The percentage of your requests that get denied is not a good indicator of that, because bringing up controversial moves with a good rationale is a better indicator of policy knowledge than just requesting obvious stuff. Looking at the requests on WP:RM for July 18, I can guess with 99%+ probability the outcome for about half of them, so I could easily "rack up points" by !voting in each of them, but actually making a cogent argument on the other half would be harder. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:14, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox road

Could someone explain how to get the previous_dab and next_dab parameters to work for UK roads in Template:Infobox road, please? The article I've been looking at is M53 motorway. The syntax in the previous_route and previous_dab is currently broken but fixing it results in the previous link always pointing to a dab page, M50 motorway. This happens whatever is in the previous_dab parameter. That parameter works for other countries. For example, the previous link in Alabama State Route 46 points to Alabama State Route 45 (pre-1957) when previous_dab is =pre-1957 and changing that to =xyz changes the link to Alabama State Route 45 (xyz). I'm guessing there is some code associated with country=GBR that disables the previous_dab parameter. Cavrdg (talk) 14:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Cavrdg You should try asking at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) or, if it is a bug, at Phabricator. Thinker78 (talk) 07:11, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll give that a go. --Cavrdg (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

How to remove NRHP Infobox

Hello - Our organization, the University of Michigan Museum of Natural History, is in the process of moving to a new building.

Our old building is in the National Registry of Historic Places and that added an infobox about that designation on our page. The building is still a historic building, but we are not in it anymore. How do I get this removed?

Thanks!

Lori

UMMNH (talk) 14:14, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Lori, thank you for coming to the Help Desk to get answers to your questions. There are a couple of problems with your request. First, you are clearly associated with the museum and you need to read Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy and change you username before making any further edits. Second, the changes that you made to the page seem to me to be advertising for the future museum. I have reverted your edits and made some changes to indicate the status of the current museum (including putting the new address in the body of the article). When the new museum has opened and/or there is significant coverage in reliable independent sources, then it will be time to add information about the new museum. The link above about conflict of interest will explain the appropriate manner for you to request that this information be added. Leschnei (talk) 17:43, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Inserting background color in unusual table cells

Hi! I just inserted two rows in a FIFA soccer world cup table, to highlight the fact that two editions of the world cup were not organized because of the 2nd world war. I put the two rows in pink, but, as you can see, there are some small table cells that do not contain the color. Please see the attached image for clarification. How can I make them have the same background color? Thanks!--Larry.europe (talk) 14:59, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Table with issues: the grey cells that are in the red circles should have the same pink background color as the other ones.

The display of that table (and specifically of the narrow extra columns) behaves differently depending on which browser is in use. With Edge I see it the way seen in your screenshot, but in Chrome it appears as in my screenshot. The anomalous behaviour seen in Chrome occurred prior to your edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:47, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

As seen in Chrome

The cells were part of a rowspan=24 for the whole column. I have split that into rowspan=4 above the cells and rowspan=20 below the cells.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: After your change the display is still garbled in Chrome, see further screenshot. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Chrome after PrimeHunter's edits

I guess you have enabled "Make sure that headers of tables remain in view as long as the table is in view" under the "Testing and development" heading at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. This gadget does not work properly for tables where header rows use rowspan. See MediaWiki talk:Gadget-StickyTableHeaders.css#Bug: rowspan in headers does not propagate into table. Does [2] help? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, indeed that cures it. Thanks. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:35, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I notice that a similar display problem in Chrome occurs in the table at UEFA European Championship#Results. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Lake County Historical Courthouse, in Tavares, FL.

The address given on Wikipedia is incorrect. The correct address of the Lake County Historical Courthouse and the Lake County Historical Museum is 317 W. Main St., Tavares, FL 32778. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lois Parker (talk • contribs) 16:25, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks for telling us. However, we depend on published sources, and our source for the address is here. If you can point us to a newer or more reliable source (see WP:RS), please provide it so we can fix the article. -Arch dude (talk) 16:51, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Help with making proportional, accessible table to visualize units of time

I've been working hard the last few months on cleaning up the article Traditional Chinese timekeeping. I've gotten it to where the written information is clear, but I want to make a visual aid to replace the current, very confusing one. I'm trying to stay away from plain images, since they aren't the best for accessibility, and instead use a table to better display the relationships between the units of time.

I've attempted to create a table in my sandbox, but I'm running into a few problems.

• The four columns of information won't display properly without a blank fifth column in each row. This would be fine, but I can't figure out a way to hide the blank column across browsers.
  • style="visibility:hidden;" seems to work to hide the cell in Chrome, but has no effect in Firefox.
  • I've also tried using CSS to hide the whole column, but that breaks the table formatting.
  • Making the table horizontal would fix needing a blank column, but the table is so long horizontally it'd break most people's browsers to see it all.
• The height of each row is important to visualize the time data properly, but this seems to vary from browser to browser. For some reason, the rows with "00:24:00" and "01:36:00" are showing up as tiny in Chrome, while they're the same height as all the rest of the rows in the first column in Firefox. I can find nothing in my code to explain why these two particular rows are affected and none of the rest are.
• I'm not sure if this table makes any sense to people with screenreaders. Can someone with a screen reader tell me if they can make sense of the relationships between the items in the columns?

Any suggestions for fixing or changing this table would be welcome. I'd like something like the Buddhist traditions timeline, where the chronological data is roughly proportional to how it's displayed on the screen. A different type of table or graph could work just as well, as long as it's proportional and accessible.

-- A garbage person (talk) 17:21, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

A garbage person I see that you haven't gotten a reply. Try posting this at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Thinker78 (talk) 00:23, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I've just posted it there. -- A garbage person (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit

Hello, There is some information omitted from the following three pages: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feels_Like_Summer_(Childish_Gambino_song) 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summertime_Magic 3)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Pack

All three articles are missing the album cover artist: Jessica Maffia.

Please add this information in the first paragraph, background and release, personnel, and sidebar summary with a link to the artist's website: http://www.jessicamaffia.com

Thank you very much Jmaffia (talk) 18:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

References

I have disabled the {{request edit}} template which was misplaced in the heading of this section. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:38, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Jmaffia, but Genius.com is not a reliable source. See WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 206#Genius as a source?. --ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

abreham

abreham born in 1990 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gereme (talk • contribs) 20:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Gereme: Hello, do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? Eagleash (talk) 20:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Longest User Talk pages

Is there a way to find the largest user talk pages on Wikipedia? Please {{ping}} me when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: Does Wikipedia:Database reports/Long pages#All pages work for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

 Jax 0677: I ran a query for you, here, but you have already found the largest. Sam Sailor 21:58, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• Reply - @Sam Sailor:, can you please teach me how to run such a query? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

​Sure. Feed the following

SELECT
  page_title,
  page_len
FROM page
WHERE page_len > 600000
AND page_namespace = 3
AND page_title NOT LIKE "%/%"
ORDER BY page_len ASC;

into Quarry. Sam Sailor 18:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Here's me thinking that EEng had the record... –FlyingAce^✈hello 21:00, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

It's not the length but what you do with it that counts. At least that's what editors with average or small talk pages keep saying. EEng 01:23, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

" Wikimedia requires notification of when leaving the Foundation's sphere of influence."

Strange message from dabsolver:

https://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/

Leaving Wikimedia

"Wikimedia requires notification of when leaving the Foundation's sphere of influence."

Not quite sure what an "of when" is... --Guy Macon (talk) 22:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

The formulation is odd but you can just ignore the message and you definitely don't have to notify anyone if that's what you wonder. The message notifies you that you are going from a Wikimedia site to a site they don't control. The message says this notification is a requirement (with the disallowed alternative being to just redirect you). See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 159#Warning: Leaving Wikimedia for background. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

That's just nuts. I get notified if click on a link to wmflabs.org but not when I go to [ https://zapatopi.net/blackhelicopters/ ]? I could see it if it was applied to redirects (I click on a link to a WMF-controlled page and end up somewhere else) but applying it to all links to wmflabs.org is dumb. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:38, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

There was a very large backstory most of which I did not see. As I recall, a prolific tool creator wanted to use some components that people in WMF believed were not suitably licensed, or which could be replaced with something open?? There was quite a battle because when wmflabs was set up a primary issue was that (unlike the previous tools site) the WMF wanted all tools to be open so if the author left the project it would be both technically and legally possible for others to take over the tool, without needing any magic passwords or unpublished code from the original author. Don't take my vague recollection as anything more than a possible view of the situation, but I think a compromise was reached whereby certain tools could send users to a server outside WMF control. The point is that such a tool might be able to associate IP addresses with user names, or articles of interest with user names (I'm not sure if it does get your user name, but the potential is there). Johnuniq (talk) 00:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)