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June 15

Thomas Markle

Please repair ref number 32 on this page and place it immediately after the words/link Robert I of Scotland in this section - I am having a lot of trouble doing this. Thanks 00:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.147.205.88 (talk)

Hi 110.147.205.88, Greetings to you.  Done. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 01:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Requesing for Adminship

How do I Request for Adminship ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigBoss3900 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@TheBigBoss3900: There's the quick way and the sure way:

The quick way: Go to WP:RFA, follow the instructions, and have the page WP:SNOW closed as unsuccessful after a dozen oppose !votes saying "WP:NOTNOW" or "WP:TOONEW."

The sure way: Edit for at least a year, make at least 10,000 useful edits, demonstrate familiarity with our policies and guidelines through resolving conflicts and filing reports on noticeboards, study Wikipedia:What adminship is not and Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship, and wait for an established member of the community to nominate you (a lot of folks will !vote against self-nominations just on principle).

Ian.thomson (talk) 01:59, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Start by reading WP:Guide to requests for adminship, then spend a few years editing Wikipedia and building up a record of a few tens of thousands of trouble free edits, then read WP:Guide to requests for adminship again. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) TheBigBoss3900 - I won't beat around the bush... you just created your account a few moments ago. Administrators are trusted users who have years of contributions and the demonstrated knowledge of policies and the ability to understand and use the tools. You are a very long ways away from that role, and I would not waste my time considering it if I were you... not without a very long history of experience. You should read this page and this page for a better understanding of exactly what I'm talking about... Instead of focusing on that, you should instead go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial, as it will provide you with a significant amount of help and walkthroughs so that you can get started with improving the project. Hope my response didn't burst your bubble, but I want to dispel any thoughts that adminship is for new users. Good luck and happy editing to you! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:04, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Both of the above posts are full of good advice, I would just add that seeming over-eager to be an admin is the surest path to not being one, so you may want to reconsider what you’ve put on your userpage. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:19, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Ordinary users can, and do, do almost all the the work on Wikipedia. Admins just muck with the boring fiddly bits. Regular editing is much more fun. Rmhermen (talk) 02:38, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Merging Grazing Occultation and Grazing Lunar Occultation into Occultation article.

Hello,

There are two articles, Grazing Occultation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazing_occultation and Grazing Lunar Occultation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazing_lunar_occultation , that I think should be merged into the Occultation article.

Reasons; - they describe the same thing, so at least one is obsolete - they are a type of lunar occultation, and there is not a separate article on lunar occultation - that is described in the Occultation article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occultation , so both Grazing articles are obsolete.

Do I improve the Occultation article first, including Grazing info, first, then ask for the two Grazing articles to be deleted. or Vice versa,

What consultations do I need to address before I begin?

thanks KuriwaObs (talk) 03:47, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

• Please read WP:MERGE. If you have questions, feel free to come back here with them. -Arch dude (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

thanks Arch dude. I boldly merged the Grazing occultation article into the Grazing lunar occultation article and then expanded it with image plots, citations etc.KuriwaObs (talk) 21:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I created an article

I created this article Draft:Inspector General Report on FBI and DOJ's Actions in the 2016 Election. How do I get it out of draft status please?Jerry the Bellybutton Elf (talk) 03:40, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jerry the Bellybutton Elf: If you consider the page to be ready for mainspace, place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. This will submit it for review. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 03:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh my god there's almost a thousand articles waiting for review. Wow. Thank you for your help tho... Jerry the Bellybutton Elf (talk) 03:46, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

To put that into perspective, it's about 0.0176% of the number of articles we already have. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.75.224 (talk) 03:23, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

PayMate page listed as 'Bank' on google search

Hi, I have edited the information on PayMate here and it is now reflecting on Google searches as well. However, the term 'Bank' appears under the name PayMate when it searched on Google. We are not a bank and our company category is defined in the infobox. Here is a screenshot for your reference -

File:Screenshot of the google search page

I would like to know how to remove the word 'Bank' and replace it with an alternate word.

Looking forward to getting this resolved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hetal Sha (talk • contribs) 06:18, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines..

I would also suggest that you stop editing the page until you have read WP:COI and WP:PAID. NZFC^(talk) 06:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@Hetal Sha: "Bank" is added by Google and not by Wikipedia. The screenshot was commons:File:Screenshot for Google search.png but screenshots are generally covered by copyright and must not be uploaded to Commons. It has been deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@Hetal Sha: Also, in the Google search below the box there is a small link titled "Feedback", which you can use to inform Google about the mistaken categorization. Regards SoWhy 09:53, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Derrick Todd Lee

Please list all of his victims, including Pamela Kenamore! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:D5F0:E800:95FC:7C53:CFFA:E0DC (talk) 07:13, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. As far as I can tell, he was only alleged to have killed her but never proven or convicted, see [1]. Wikipedia is not a memorial to the victims or alleged victims and even a serial killer is innocent until proven guilty of a certain crime. Regards SoWhy 09:21, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Problem

When I click desktop on mobile Wikipedia the link was not load 138.75.248.139 (talk) 09:05, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

 Works for me. Can you specify on which article page this happens? Remember that the desktop page will still look more "mobile-y" on small resolutions because of the limited space. Regards SoWhy 09:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Missing submission

For context, I repeat your earlier reply to my question, followed by my comment:

Follow-up question to June 13th

I had asked how to create a new article and was directed to the appropriate page. I had submitted the proposal. What is the next step? Where do I look for any response? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.161.227.206 (talk) 16:52, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

   Your IP address has not submitted any proposal. Your only 2 edits are your 2 questions here on the Help Desk. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC) 

I had submitted a proposal for a new lemma / entry a few days ago. How could it not have registered? Please double check. Otherwise there is little point in going through all this trouble. Apart from the issue of depriving your readership from relevant information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.161.227.206 (talk) 11:39, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi 82.161.227.206 , No article has been submitted from your IP address. All three edits you made were to Help desk. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 11:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

It's quite possible that you submitted your proposal from a different IP address (though not one beginning with 82.161.227.) Can you remember where you saved your proposal? One advantage of creating an account is that you will have a full record of your edits. Dbfirs 12:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

See below, please for context reference, That's twice now you are trying to deflect the issue. No, I did not submit from another IP address. I asked earlier how to create an article, went there, and uploaded it. What more can one do? There seems to be a glitch on your end, which your technicians may like to look into. Please trace the submission, it's important, or I would not have bothered in the first place. I've been a fan of Wiki for many years. It offers great advantages. But this aspct requires some attention. Good luck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.161.227.206 (talk) 12:57, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/82.161.227.206 shows the only saved edits by this IP address are to this help desk. Many people have changing IP addresses or use different Internet connections so your IP address may have been different when you made the page if it was saved. If you say what the page was about or preferably give the precise name then we can search for it. "a proposal for a new lemma / entry a few days ago" is not searchable and too vague. Thousands of pages were created in that period. Some users click "Show preview", miss a step or overlook a warning after trying to save a page or edit. There is for example an extra step if unregistered or new users try to save a page with external links. Nearly all claims that a saved edit is missing are from new users so if a page wasn't saved then a user misunderstanding the interface is much more likely than a software error. I have saved 51,000 edits and never discovered one was missing. Click "Contributions" at the top right to check that an edit was saved. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I have experienced failed saves when I know I've clicked the correct buttons, but the fault has been in my inadequate and intermittent internet connection, not in the Wikipedia servers. I usually check the save to make sure that it has gone through. We are not trying to deflect any issue, just trying to help as requested. Dbfirs 14:56, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

You asked for the precise name of the newly created article? It is: FROM MONISM TO NONISM

I look forward to hearing if you are able to find it. Thanks. I observed nothing special after clicking 'Publish Changes'. No hitches. My IP address / ISP has been the same for the past 25 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.161.227.206 (talk)

Thank you for deigning to give us some information about the item which you have repeatedly demanded that we help you find. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be an article called "From Monism to Nonism", or a draft called "Draft:From Monism to Nonism". Nor is there a record that either of these has ever been deleted. So I am sorry, but it appears that, for whatever reason, you did not succeed in saving your draft. --ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

I am also unable to find any sign of such a saved page. It was almost certainly not saved. I haven't seen the content but the title sounds more like a personal essay or original research than an encyclopedia article suited for Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:20, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Cannot remove unread status for "The page ‪Continue?‬ has been reviewed"

At the top right corner of the page, when I click on "The page ‪Continue?‬ has been reviewed", it will not remove the "unread status". I posted about this at WP:VPT, but to no avail. Please {{ping}} me when you respond. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: Which page and feature is this about? It sounds like "Continue?‬" is incorrectly displayed on top of "The page ‪has been reviewed". What is your browser and your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

• Reply - @PrimeHunter:, my skin is "Vector", my browser is Internet Explorer 11.0.9600-18977. The icon to the left of "Talk" and the right of "Jax 0677" is rectangular, and contains my notices, one of which says "The page ‪Continue?‬ has been reviewed". It continues to display "1" unless I get a new message, at which time it displays a number greater than "1". --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

• Reply - @PrimeHunter:, just fixed the issue by opening Special:Notifications and marking the "Unread" notification as "Read". --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:47, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

OK. You did create the page Continue? so my guess was wrong. Some features have problems with page names containing question marks. They have a special meaning in url's and need encoding in some places so maybe that is what went wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:54, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Where to discuss ideas and notify related people?

Dear helpdesk,

I am a software engineer and I am experimenting finding cross-language fact conflicts on Wikipedias. I put it up in a page (User:Xinbenlv/Cross_Lang_Conflict_Examples), but don't know how should I get related editors to comment on it. What do you suggest as the best channel and best practice to engage people in this kind of discussion? Xinbenlv (talk) 18:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Xinbenlv, the folks who watch the Technical Village Pump would probably be interested in your idea. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:15, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Village pump. I don't know which subsection best matches your experiment. If you are asking how to your (eventual) bot can identify each problem that it finds, I suspect that it should place a section in the talk page of each article on each affected Wikipedia. For structured data such as your example birth dates, it may be best to suggest that the Wikipedia articles be modified to pick the data up from Wikidata. -Arch dude (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both very much, @Dodger67 and @Arch dude. A follow up question: I sometimes see people when moving discussion, use a template to include content from another wikipedia page, what is that template? (I can't find any page but I had impression that it was possible).Xinbenlv (talk) 20:07, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

@Xinbenlv: I'm not sure which scenario you ask about. {{Moved discussion from}} can link to a former place of a discussion. Displaying content from another page without copying it is called transclusion but we don't do that for moved discussions. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

How do I find out if my article has been published, or if it has been rejected?

Hi I wrote an article/bio on Cathy Yanni, a Special Master recently assigned to the upcoming lawsuits spurred by the opioid crisis. How do I find out if my article has been published, has issues or was rejected? The article is still in my sandbox, but I did contribute in April. No word since, from Wikipedia but I may be missing something. Any help is welcome, Thank you, Lisasheeran 21:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC) 21:38, 15 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisasheeran (talk • contribs)

Lisasheeran: you have a sandbox User:Lisasheeran/sandbox, which is about her. It has not been published or (as far as I can tell) submitted for publication. It does have issues: the referencing is weirdly done, it has things that look like [1] [2] etc. but don't actually cite anything. I suggest you read Help:Referencing for beginners before you submit it for publication. Maproom (talk) 22:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I have added a box with a submit button. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)