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This title is blacklisted

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Hi

I am writing an article about a flower tea. When I finished my article and tried to get it published, it said: "this article's title is blacklisted". What should I do to solve this problem? I have tried some other titles too, but it remains the same result. Or where can I check which titles are blacklisted?

Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScrubNurseBKK (talk • contribs) 02:27, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What was the title? Ian.thomson (talk) 02:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
ScrubNurseBKK, this question is the only contribution made by your current account. I'm assuming this is work done before you registered at Wikipedia? We have a spam blacklist at WP:BLACKLIST, but it's in regards to external links. When an article has been repeatedly deleted, we may sometimes "salt" the name to prevent it ever being created again. To answer your specific question, the list you're requesting is here (warning: it is not alphabetic), but it seems unlikely that a particular kind of tea would make the list. We can be more helpful once you give us the title of the article you're trying to create. Matt Deres (talk) 03:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

pencil icon

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Hi: On the page where there is a list of options at the top including logout, preferences, sandbox and my handle, there is an image of what might be a pencil. When I mouse-over, an message comes up that says WiEd and some number and a date followed by a statement that clicking will disable it. What is this all about?Kdammers (talk) 10:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It says wikEd and a version number. See User:Cacycle/wikEd. You must have enabled wikEd at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. When it's enabled in preferences, it can quickly be enabled and disabled during editing on that icon without having to change preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Module move

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Can someone tell me how to move a module with a rediect, thanks, Hhkohh (talk) 13:39, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You can't, not in the same way that you might move a template or an article and leave a redirect behind. If you must move a module and must retain the old name then move the module to the new name and then, at the old name write this: 
return require('Module:new name')
—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Hhkohh (talk) 15:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User apc

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Hi, I have a question regarding the page Category:User apc: why is it that under Pages in category "User apc", Template:User apc-3 and Template:User apc aren't visible? Thanks Nehme1499 (talk) 14:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

None of the templates except Template:User apc-0 are supposed to show there with the categories currently existing. The others are all gone after a null edit of them. For example, Template:User apc-1 adds Category:User apc-1 if that category exists, and otherwise adds Category:User apc. Category:User apc-1 exists now so only that category is added. When Template:User apc-1 was created, Category:User apc-1 did not exist yet so Category:User apc was added instead at the time. The software had not updated this after Category:User apc-1 was created. My null edit forced the update. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:09, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks for helping me out. EDIT: I have another question: why is it that User apc isn't categorized in Wikipedians by language? Nehme1499 (talk) 15:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's there but it's sorted as "lib" under the L heading because the source of Category:User apc says [[Category:Wikipedians by language|lib]] where lib is a sort key. I don't know the difference between apc and lib so I cannot say whether this sorting is reasonable. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK I understand, thanks again! (apc is the official ISO 639-3 code for the Northern Levantine language group, most of which is made out of the Lebanese Arabic language: that's probably why apc and lib were used interchangeably) Nehme1499 (talk) 15:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How do I center text in a content bar?

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Hello, I have a question here about how to center text. On the article Political appointments by Donald Trump, I am trying to make a sub heading in the header cell and center it. I would appreciate it if someone would help me. Thanks, --Skim

@Skim127: It's not clear to me precisely what you want to do and the details are important. Please say exactly what you want to add and exactly where, or do as much of it as you can without damaging something, and then ask how to do the rest. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter: What I am trying to do is, center text in a header cell when the text is a sub heading. Go to the article and look under one of the smaller offices that is a header cell. You will probably understand me better. --Skim
@Skim127: I'm not sure what you mean by sub heading and the tables I examined already have code to center text. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter: What I mean is, when I put let's say the National Security Agency as sub-heading 2, it is distorted and goes to the bottom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skim127 (talk • contribs)
I still don't know what you are trying to do in which table or what you mean by sub-heading 2. Maybe somebody else can guess what you want. I give up. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Skim127: Did you manage to do what you wanted? If not, copy the table, paste it in your sandbox (link located in the same line as your user name at the top of the page when you are logged on), do the changes you are trying to explain and post here the link to your sandbox so I can see the table, the changes, and we can continue the discussion here. Thinker78 (talk) 22:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
{[ping|Thinker78}} I am sorry if it took me a long time to respond but I did get a example of what I mean in my sandbox. Go to a section called "sub-title box" and the text appears to be on the bottom.
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I would appreciate it if someone would please review the most recent 3 or 4 edits in the edit history of the following two pages: Saint John and Saint John's. There was a link in the article (right at the top of the page, where it says "Not to be confused with"). The link was "incorrect". (It linked to a redirect, as opposed to linking directly to the correct page.) So, I changed it. Another editor reverted it. He states that even though it is linking to an "incorrect" page, that is the proper way that Wikipedia does such links. That makes no sense to me. So, I'd like some clarification, please. What is the correct way to do this? And, if my way is incorrect, why is that? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Joseph, WP:INTDAB would explain better why such intentional redirects are made and how they primarily support report generation. That's one reason MOS:DABSEEALSO specifically advises this. Thanks, Lourdes 16:29, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Lourdes: Ok. Thanks. So, that other editor (the one who reverted my edits) is correct in what he says? That "his way" is the correct way to do this in Wikipedia? Is that the case? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, "his way" is correct. The problem is that almost all links to DAB pages are accidental. We use a link to the redirected "(disambiguation)" page as a signal to other editors that we are deliberately linking to the DAB page and not accidentally attempting to link to one of its articles. There is an entire subculture of editors who spend their time fixing incorrect DAB links, and this scheme makes it easy to keep track of deliberate links and automatically remove them from automatically-generated lists of accidental links. -Arch dude (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thanks. Yes, this does now somewhat make sense. A related question, then: To use this page as an example. Then, why not title this page "Saint John (disambiguation)" instead of simply "Saint John"? What's the reasoning behind that? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We prefer simple page names when practical but there have been suggestions to also name it "X (disambiguation)" when there is no primary topic using the name "X". See e.g. Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 84#Uniform Disambiguation page naming. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:14, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, all. Very helpful. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:13, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to thank Joseph A. Spadaro, Lourdes and Arch dude for this thread. I have learned from it. Maproom (talk) 08:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I need help with adding a reference on a wikipedia page

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Can someone look for a reference online to add about Botswana getting transgender rights in 2017 on the 2017 in LGBT rights page? Sphinxmystery (talk) 16:09, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sphinx, the article LGBT rights in Botswana has some interesting references. You could add them yourself too. Warmly, Lourdes 16:12, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is the difference between the following pages?

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Wikipedia:Good topics starts as follows:

A good topic is a collection of inter-related articles that are of a good quality (though not all are featured articles).

And then Wikipedia:Featured topics starts as follows:

A featured topic is a collection of inter-related articles that are of a good quality (though not necessarily featured articles).

I'm confused, what's the difference?--occono (talk) 16:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You should look at criteria. Ruslik_Zero 20:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't understand the difference after reading that. I would have presumed Featured topics only allows Featured articles, but the description doesn't state that. Can you point out exactly what the criteria difference is?--occono (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Featured topic criteria says:
  1. (a) With featured topics only:
    (i) At least one half (50%) of the items are featured class (featured articles or featured lists), with a minimum of two featured items.
    (ii) All other articles are good articles.
    (b) With good topics only:
    (i) All items are at least featured lists or good articles.
PrimeHunter (talk) 01:01, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think part of the OP's point is that the introductions to those articles really need to be revised so they don't seem so identical. HiLo48 (talk) 01:15, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Pacific Islands

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Can you please consider notifying other people of the merger discussion right here? Nobody has objected within the last 4 months. --2601:183:101:58D0:3545:2E73:437A:CAC9 (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Convert URI/DOI to Valid DOI

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How do I convert the URI/DOI http://hdl.handle.net/10524/52403 to a DOI? I've deduced that it the DOI is 10524/52403, and put it into the following, wrapped by a 'ref' tag.

{{Cite journal|last1=Owen|first1=R. Wyn|date=2017 |title=A description and linguistic analysis of the Tai Khuen writing system |url=https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10524/52403 |journal=Journal of the Southeast Asian Linguistics Society |volume=10.1 |pages=140-164 |doi=10524/52403 }}

The link generated from the DOI works, but I get the error message, "Check |doi= value (help)." -- RichardW57 (talk) 23:01, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if the hdl can be directly converted to a doi, but, you can use |hdl=:
{{Cite journal|last1=Owen|first1=R. Wyn|date=2017 |title=A description and linguistic analysis of the Tai Khuen writing system |url=https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10524/52403 |journal=Journal of the Southeast Asian Linguistics Society |volume=10.1 |pages=140-164 |hdl=10524/52403}}
Owen, R. Wyn (2017). "A description and linguistic analysis of the Tai Khuen writing system". Journal of the Southeast Asian Linguistics Society. 10.1: 140–164. hdl:10524/52403.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based only on the Digital object identifier article and the DOI documentation inside {{cite journal}}, it looks like the DOI is really 10.524/52403, that is, with a period after the first two digits. But I've never actually done this. -Arch dude (talk) 23:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • so here: {{Cite journal|last1=Owen|first1=R. Wyn|date=2017 |title=A description and linguistic analysis of the Tai Khuen writing system |url=https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10524/52403 |journal=Journal of the Southeast Asian Linguistics Society |volume=10.1 |pages=140-164 |doi=10.524/52403 }} -Arch dude (talk) 23:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that passes the edit check in cite journal, but it does not actually link to the DOI page :-( -Arch dude (talk) 00:03, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Handle System and DOI numbers are not interchangeable. Multiple resolution is a feature of the Handle System technology, but it was not designed to scale above a few million handles, whereas a DOI can scale to any number of handles. That's why Handle numbers appear to be shorter than DOI's, containing only half the numbers and letters a DOI has.  spintendo  01:58, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The documentation at www.doi.org specifies that a DOI is a prefix, a slash, and a suffix. The prefix, it is alledged, always starts with the three characters "10." and can then have any characters (except a slash) These prefixes are assigned by the DOI organization to registered organizations or something. Those organizations then assign the suffixes to entities such as individual documents. If this documentation is correct, then "10524/52403" cannot be a valid DOI because "10524" cannot be a valid prefix, so the edit check that is part of {{cite journal}} is doig the right thing. However, if you type "10524/52403" into the box that says "enter a DOI" at that site, it just works, so the DOI site is doing something with it taht is not consistent with their own documentation. Under the circumstances I think out best move as documented above, is to treat it as a hdl instead of a DOI. -Arch dude (talk) 02:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That is correct, it is not a valid DOI, it's a valid HDL number. As far as I can tell, JSEALS is not registered at all as a journal with a DOI prefix assigned to them, which is a prerequisite to having one of their articles receiving its own DOI. The publication itself has unique requirements for having items published, which apparently are all published as open access   documents, which is rare as far as academic publications are concerned.  spintendo  02:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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