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Bean to bar chocolate manufacturers list

Tabal Chocolate is a Bean to Bar chocolate manufacturer in Wisconsin, USA. We are interested in being added to the manufacturers list on that bean to bar page. We are a registered user and would like to know how to be added to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabalchocolate (talk • contribs) 02:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

First you need to change your username(see your user talk page); second, you need to read WP:COI and WP:PAID; you can then make an edit request on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 02:34, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Ronald Ferguson

I have failed when trying to add on the Ronald Ferguson page the file of the photo of the Duke - on this page - William Montagu Douglas Scott, 6th Duke of Buccleuch. Please assist 203.132.68.1 (talk) 04:45, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done How's this? --Gronk Oz (talk) 05:04, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Parliament Square - Millicent Fawcett Statue

As I understand the present situation, this is incorrect. This is proposed, not actual. I have just been asked to write to Westminster Council planning to make an objection to the removal of the current Emmeline Pankhurst statue and replace it with the above. Wikipedia can't publish articles about world facts that are untrue. This is a serious breach of public trust. Get your facts right. Don't publish stuff that is about to, may or is planned to happen!

Andrew Patching — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew Patching (talk • contribs) 08:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Are you claiming that the BBC's report and picture of the unveiling are fake news? Dbfirs 08:32, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I think you're confusing a few things. The Fawcett statue was unveiled in Parliament Square in April (see link above). The Emmeline Pankhurst statue has always been in Victoria Tower Gardens which is across the road. The plans are to not move the Pankhurst statue to Parliament Square, which was originally considered, but to move it to Regent’s Park instead. Our article seems to explain this quite well. You might want to also read this article. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 08:46, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

​More to the point, are you claiming that the seventeen separate photos we currently host of the statue in situ are fake? Incidentally, the removal of the current Emmeline Pankhurst statue and replace it with the above is flat-out fake news; the proposal is to relocate the current statue of Pankhurst and replace it with another of her at the same scale as the other statues in Parliament Square to put an end to the current anomaly where she's half the height of everyone else. ‑ Iridescent 08:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your immediate and excellent response. I stand corrected. Good to see Wikipedia robust and diligent. My recent £2 was well spent. Andrew Patching. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew Patching (talk • contribs) 09:06, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Separate block of text, outside the flow of an article

Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § Separate block of text, outside the flow of an article

 – ―Mandruss ☎ 08:48, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I am struggling to incorporate a piece of information in the narrative flow of an article. I could just use a footnote, but that is somewhat hidden, and this point (the size of the Sutherland estate - it was nearly a third of the county of Sutherland) is one of the "basics" for understanding the subject. It seems that putting it in a separate block of text may be a solution. I don't know the jargon for this layout device, whether it is acceptable in the Wikipedia styleguide or how to achieve it technically. Can someone give me some pointers on these 3 questions. If I can solve this problem, I can probably break down the article into smaller sections, so improving readability.

The article is Patrick Sellar - which is rather obviously half-written at the moment - but that should change shortly.
ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 08:20, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@ThoughtIdRetired: After studying your comment and that article I could use some clarification. Why is the "piece of information" unsuitable for open prose like almost everything else? ―Mandruss ☎ 13:19, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

After kicking this idea around at odd moments away from a computer, and now reading your comment I see your point. (I was probably too fixed on the idea of a sequential narrative for most of the article, and am aware that I had already breached that objective.) What the article really needs is a map, and the text I am trying to find a home for could easily be the caption for that map. It might be difficult to source one without infringing copyright, but I am working on that. (One problem is that all(!!) books on the subject have the same map of estates in Sutherland from the same original source.)
ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

ThoughtIdRetired the folks at the Map workshop should be able to create something suitable for your needs. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Duplicate Name but no page

Hi,

I am an actress called Barbara Drennan. I have tried to set up a page with that name but I am being told the name is in use, however, when I search for Barbara Drennan on Wikipedia there is not page? I have had to set up this name as Barbara Elizabeth Drennan to use this facility, but I really need my name on the page to be Barbara Drennan. Please can you advise.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbara Elizabeth Drennan (talk • contribs) 09:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Barbara Elizabeth Drennan: What you are doing is attempting to create accounts, not create an article. The account "Barbara Drennan" was created in 2014. You created the account you are using now. Your account page is not article space. An article about you will not have "User:" in the title. That said, creating an autobiographical article is highly discouraged on Wikipedia, see WP:AUTO. You also cannot use your user page for promotional purposes such as increasing your profile, please see WP:USERPAGE for what acceptable user pages are; they are supposed to be used for introducing yourself to the Wikipedia community in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

You may be able to usurp the username you want to use, but that will not allow you to promote yourself. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Want to create a Wikipedia Page for a Film Producer

Please guide me through. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A pandit06 (talk • contribs) 09:56, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi A pandit06. I recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be helpful to you (including article creation, what you're asking for help with here). Most users who take this advice tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them. If you still have questions after completing the entire tutorial, let me know by clicking here to message me. I'll be happy to help you further if you do. Happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:58, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Oshwah view my user page!!

Oshwah, I need an admin to help me about something on my userpage. 627544editor (talk) 11:56, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@627544editor: Hello, if you wish to contact @Oshwah: (courtesy ping for Oshwah) the best place to do so is at his talk page. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:45, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

627544editor - You can message me by clicking here. Make sure to describe exactly what you need help with in as much detail as you can so that I can assist you completely :-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:43, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Psst sandbox...

Any administrator! I've noticed that most edits to the sandbox are just tryouts for vandalism by IPs. Semi-protect immediately!627544editor (talk) 11:56, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

The purpose of the sandbox is to enable editors to try out edits without affecting published articles. If you have spotted a pattern of vandalism, then please join us in reverting any vandalism to articles. A prior test in the sandbox will make it easy to identify intentions. Protecting the sandbox would defeat its purpose. Dbfirs 12:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

If it is really offensive or is copyright infringement, you may revert the edit(s) and warn the user using the template {{uw-sandbox1}} —AE (talk • contributions) 12:43, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@627544editor: Just to add, the sandbox is cleared pretty regularly. Eagleash (talk) 12:46, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) 627544editor - We typically don't ever apply protection to sandbox pages - that's the place where we want users to make their test edits and other changes if they're going to do so, and instead of doing so on an article or other place where such edits would be disruptive. If you see extremely problematic edits to the sandbox (or anywhere on Wikipedia) such as threats against another user, serious violations of Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy, or copyright violations, as Abelmoschus Esculentus said above - definitely revert those edits and (in addition to warning the user) let someone know so that an administrator can redact the revisions. Let me (or anyone else) know if you have any more questions - you can message me by clicking here, and I'll be happy to answer them. Or you're of course welcome to ask anyone else. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:51, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

If 627544editor doesn't mind, if I could tack on a second question to theirs while we're on the subject.... The special ability of sandboxes, where anything can be entered without disrupting anything else—that's an ability of the sandboxes themselves and not their talk pages, correct? I was always under the impression that any changes made there went live as soon as saved (and I don't think I've ever "tested" it myself to see if that's true). Thank you in advance.  spintendo  16:55, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Change language link

I've found that the link from the Dutch article "Biljoen" https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biljoen (in Dutch meaning 1,000,000,000,000; one million million; 10 to the power of 12) is linked to the English "Billon" which linguistically makes sense but it is incorrect. The Dutch "Biljoen" should be linked to the English "Trillion".

Dutch / English / In Numbers

miljoen million 1.000.000

miljard billion 1.000.000.000

biljoen trillion 1.000.000.000.000

biljard quadrillion 1.000.000.000.000.000

triljoen quintillion 1.000.000.000.000.000.000

triljard sextillion 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000

More correct information can be found here: https://www.languagelab.nl/stijlgids/billion-is-geen-biljoen.

Can someone change that? Or how do I change that myself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OliverTaylorSmith (talk • contribs) 12:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Your Dutch article explains that the American word Billion is a false friend because in America, and increasingly in the UK (since Harold Wilson decreed a change in meaning) the word is used with the American meaning of a thousand million. Some of us here in the UK still use the traditional British meaning (ten to the power of 12) that was taught pre-Harold Wilson; a meaning that is common throughout most of Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbfirs (talk • contribs) 12:33, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

OliverTaylorSmith, just below the list of languages, you should be able to find something that says "Edit links". Clicking on that will take you to the right place, in this case, wikidata:Q41650356, the wikidata entry on "Billion". You will be able to login with the same account on any WMF project, so you should be able to edit it with your current account. It would seem that, in this case, the link is intentional though, since the entry specifically says it's referring to both values. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Want to add literature references to Vincent van Gogh page

Hello,

I am a librarian working at an two art museums in Denmark (ARKEN Museum of Art and Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek)and I would like to add a literature reference to the Vincent van Gogh article.

Jalving, Camilla, ed. Van Gogh Content - I plough on my canvases: Vincent van Gogh's view of nature / Dorthe Juul Rugaard. Through the pupilgates /Merete Pryds Helle. The art of being immortal / Wouter van der Veen. Vincent van Gogh & the implicate order / Christian Gether. ISBN: 9788778751294 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JenJoGun (talk • contribs) 13:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@JenJoGun: We cite references for facts in an article. The Vincent van Gogh article is extensively referenced, but if either of your sources can be used as further references for existing statements in the article, or if you wish to add additional encyclopedic information and cite these references, then please feel free to do so. Adding additional external links to works that are not used to cite specific statements is a bit more problematic: see Wikipedia:External links. The article already has some of these. I recommend that you open a discussion on the article's talk page (Talk:Vincent van Gogh) about the usefulness of your references as external links. If you decide to proceed but are unsure of how to actually edit the article, put your recommendations (in any format) on the talk page and ask for help by adding {{request edit}} (with the curly braces). -Arch dude (talk) 22:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Costs and consequences of the national debt.

Much is given to the national debt itself in Wikipedia. It's nearly always a discussion about the debt with comparatively little or nothing, by comparison, about the its annual cost in terms of interest costs, social wellness levels and inflation. You can get a flavor of my concerns by searching this Wikipedia site using keywords "national debt" and "cost of national debt." Facts and discussions about the debt are important, but I believe its possible to make the case that facts about the cost of it are equally important, or even more important.

And so it is I ask that you create a page devoted to the cost and consequences of the national debt; and that such a page be headed by a quote from John DeLulio of the Brookings Institute, To Wit: "The way we finance our current expenses and entitlements could be characterized as a Big Gorge on the assets of the not yet born."

Last year alone, debt service costs were $300 billion--enough to repair our bridges and roads twice. The CBO projects such costs will reach $800 billion and beyond within a few years. I suspect with a sense of urgency, such facts should be part of an ongoing national discussion soonest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geanoulis (talk • contribs) 14:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey Geanoulis. It's not totally clear what such an article would contain that is not already covered by National debt of the United States#Risks and debates, Political debates about the United States federal budget, and Deficit reduction in the United States. But additional information, especially more up-to-date information can certainly be added there, and would help to improve the existing articles. GMG^talk 14:40, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

• @Geanoulis: Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs, raise awareness of political issues, and the like. More reliably-sourced information is always good; but we are definitely not in the business of instilling a sense of urgency in the reader (see FUD). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:33, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Picture and image for your page on Robbins, Illinois

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY ARE YOU USING THIS UGLY PICTURE AS A IMAGE FOR ROBBINS. ROBBINS HAS PLENTY OF BEAUTIFUL HOMES. PLEASE UPDATE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C7:680:1E49:4C88:9E02:7252:85D1 (talk) 14:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey anon. It's not totally clear what image you are referring to, since the only two images currently on the article are maps. But if you would like to upload some better images of Robbins, Illinois that you have taken, and license them for free public use, I'm sure they would help to improve the article. You can do this on our sister project, Wikimedia Commons by using the upload wizard. Just be sure they are images you have taken yourself, and not images taken from elsewhere online, because you would not own the copyright for those images, and would not be able to license them for public use. GMG^talk 14:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Please do not WP:SHOUT —AE (talk • contributions) 14:46, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Fixed the shouted heading per WP:TPO. Also corrected the spelling error. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:32, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Convenience link: Robbins, Illinois Maproom (talk) 16:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I suspect that the IP searched for Robbins, Illinois on Google and thinks that the picture is coming from WP. It is not. shoy (reactions) 17:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I think yer right. That's definitely an oogly picture.[1] ―Mandruss ☎ 17:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Our stock answer for confused posters:

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I cant find my account

Hello, I was my friend was approached by an experienced wikipedian editor to help her put up a page on wikipedia for a sum of money, we have provided her with our username and password, now I'm trying to add images to the page but we're not able to log in as it says our username doesn't exists, can some one delete our account? and what will happen to our page, can the same person delete it? thank you and looking forward to your answerNouf87 (talk) 14:41, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

You don't mention which account you are referring to, nor the article involved, but I can say that accounts cannot be deleted, but sharing accounts and especially passwords is not allowed. If you did this, your account was probably blocked as WP:COMPROMISED. Further, if you have not reviewed and complied with WP:PAID, you can be blocked for that. 331dot (talk) 14:45, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Nouf87 - Woah, woah, woah! You said that you gave the username and password to your previous account to another editor? Who exactly? Where? When? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:46, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Nouf87, I'm afraid that it is likely you have been scammed. As the previous editors have mentioned paid editing is frowned upon, and offering to help put up a page for payment is pretty much looking for trouble. Sharing Wikipedia accounts is something that would likely get the account banned.

Basically, if anyone asks you to pay them for any reason on Wikipedia, they are probably running a scam (unless they're Jimbo). The AfC people even put up a warning here. That said, more details on exactly what your old username was, what the page is and when this happened would help us come up with a plan of how to move forward. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:04, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Some users incorrectly think their account doesn't work because their user page says "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title". If the account you refer to is User:Nouf87 then you are already logged in and the account is working. The quoted message means you have not created a user page for the account but doing this is optional. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Stuck on 2-factor authentication

A while back I enabled 2-factor authentication, but since then I've apparently forgotten how it works. When the login asks for the code from the authentication device, I've tried using Google Authenticator on my phone, but the code that I get isn't working for Wikipedia login. I know that I have my username and password correct. Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.133.43.3 (talk) 15:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

If you still have the scratch-codes that were displayed during the 2FA-setup, you can use one of the to login and another to disable 2FA on Special:Two-factor authentication. Else, if you have a committed identity or can prove your identity some other way, you can try filing a request at Phabricator for a developer to manually disable 2FA on your account. If this also does not work, there is nothing we can do to help since we have no idea what the problem is with your device's authenticator. In that case, you will have to abandon your account and start a new one. Regards SoWhy 15:10, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) What username does this involve? When you enabled 2FA, you were provided with five scratch codes that you could use at any time and without need for the authenticator - do you still have them? If so, enter one of your scratch codes as your 2FA number, and you'll be logged in and you can disable it if this is what you desire. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:11, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm good now. ike9898 (talk) 19:10, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Difference between content disagreement and attacks

I've been having a dispute on Talk:George Washington#editbreak2 and below about some added content. I feel like it's a minor dispute, but the other editor seems to feel attacked. There are more than two people in the discussion, so I can't use WP:3O. I don't really want to use WP:DRN yet, because it's a manageable content dispute, except for what I feel like are assumptions of bad faith. And it's definitely not WP:ANI territory. So, I was wondering if someone could drop in there and see if there are attacks I'm missing, or if the other editor needs to be guided away from personalizing the discussion. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I fail to see why persistent vio of WP:BATTLEGROUND is "definitely not WP:ANI territory". Anyway I don't think this is the kind of "help" this page is meant to provide. If you just want eyes on a discussion, I think WP:AN would be better, or just hit up one or two admins/experienced editors on their UTPs. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:36, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Author's work citing

I have been trying to bring the wikipedia page for Gina Barreca up to snuff but am unsure how to do so. The errors on the page include: This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. (May 2018) This article relies too much on references to primary sources. (May 2018) This article may contain improper references to self-published sources. (May 2018) This article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject, potentially preventing the article from being verifiable and neutral. (May 2018) Some of this article's listed sources may not be reliable. (May 2018)

A lot of her work is cited because she is an author but I think this might be contributing to the errors. Should the articles be linked instead of cited???

PLEASE HELP

ARockefeller (talk) 16:53, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Convenience link:

Gina Barreca (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

-- †dismas†|^(talk) 19:06, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, ARockefeller. It's not of itself a problem to cite works by the subject of an article, but it is a problem if none of the sources cited are independent. Please understand that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything the subject of an article has said, done, or published, except insofar as independent commentators have written about it. Almost all the sources currently cited in Gina Barreca are either by Barreca, by an organisation she is affiliated with, or based on an interview with her: none of these are regarded as independent. I haven't looked at all of them; but I am dubious that at present they establish that Barreca is notable in the sense that Wikipedia uses the word. What is needed is at least two or three references where people who have no connection with Barreca have chosen to write about her at some length. --ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Date ranges in cite templates

I'm trying to cite an article series that was published in Motion Picture News, a weekly magazine, between February 7, 1925 and April 11, 1925. The cite magazine template appears to allow the use of date ranges, but when I put February 7, 1925 – April 11, 1925 in the |date= parameter, I get a check date value error. Do any other editors know if there's a way to get around this issue? If there isn't, it's not a big deal—using cite templates isn't a necessity. I'm just curious whether cite templates can support date ranges. Thanks, Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:58, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I think February 7 - April 11, 1925 should work. Ruslik_Zero 20:08, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

It does indeed. Thanks! It looks like this is the format prescribed in MOS:DATERANGE for a range between specific dates in different months, so that makes sense. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:57, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Why were my edits deleted.

I reworked my page on Wikipedia yesterday. Today all of my edits are deleted. I would like a bit more control over what gets published about my work and decide upon the images that are used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vincent Desierio (talk • contribs) 23:32, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Vincent Desierio: Please read our policy on editing with a conflict of interest. In short, you should not edit the page, but make edit requests on the talk page instead. Also, it's not "your" page, it is our page that happens to be about you -- see WP:OWN. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Vincent Desierio:You have no more control over the information in that page and any other editor. In fact, you have less, because you are restricted by our WP:COI policy mentioned above. We are an encyclopedia, not a social media site. Would you expect Encyclopedia Britannica to allow you to modify their article about you? However, if something in that article violates our policies on biographies of living people (WP:BLP), we will try hard to react quickly to correct it if you tell us about it. We also are pretty good about using better images if you upload them under a compatible copyright license, but the image must be better in some other editor's judgement, not yours. -Arch dude (talk) 01:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Ronald Ferguson

The date should be died 1914 (not 1915) under the photo of the duke on this page. I am unable to change it myself. Thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 23:39, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done I notice that your IP address has recently made several edits to Ronald Ferguson's article, so I'm not sure why you say you are unable to change the caption. In the future, don't be scared to be bold and make edits like this yourself :) Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 00:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

The Altibase HDB page should be removed

Altibase HDB is no longer valid. Altibase HDB has been removed by Altibase about 3 years ago. Altibase HDB is now integrated with Altibase. The Altibase HDB page should be removed. Please help us to remove Altibase HDB page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Windogwiki (talk • contribs) 23:58, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Convenience link: ALTIBASE HDB (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I'm not sure the content of the page should be removed entirely—it's fine for an article to document something that is no longer being produced as long as the article cites reliable sources. If Altibase HDB is no longer being manufactured, feel free to update its article with reliable sources that document this. I notice there is currently a template at the top of the ALTIBASE HDB article suggesting that it be merged with our article on Altibase, and this seems like a reasonable option to pursue as well. You may contribute to the merge discussion by clicking the "discuss" link in the template and adding to the "Merge proposal" section on the Altibase talk page. See WP:MERGEPROP for more info (specifically "Step 3: Discuss the merger"). Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 01:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

@Windogwiki: Notability is not temporary. If the subject was ever notable, it still is. Someone (not you: you have a WP:COI), should convert it to past tense. You may make this suggestion on the article's talk page. This is separate from the proposed article merger. -Arch dude (talk) 01:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)