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April 30

Reporting vandalism

I understand the concept of how I am to report a vandal but I do not want to mess it up and would like some help. An IP address has a history of vandalism, but I only noticed when it popped up in the history of one of my Watchlist pages. 72.10.206.59 is the IP address, I have started to check through their edits, but I have not found a legitimate one yet. William01pd2018 (talk) 00:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

If you look at the IP's contribution record, at its user talk page, and at its block log, you will see that the IP was warned then blocked, and has not edited again since the block. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:32, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

for new page creation

I have register account in wikipedia but i have trying to edit then my account is suspended why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.131.27.131 (talk) 03:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

What is the name of your account? Eman235/talk 04:02, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Bucklebury Manor

Please repair ref number 11 on this page thanks Srbernadette (talk) 05:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Phoenix Labs

The page Phoenix Labs is currently an article about a former software development company.

Phoenix Labs is also the name of a video game developer in Canada that is currently operating and active. Phoenix Labs, the video game developer in Canada, does not currently have a Wikipedia article. How can I create or request the creation of an article for that company? How can Phoenix Labs, the currently operating and active video game developer in Canada, become the primary subject of that disambiguation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpowpow (talk • contribs) 06:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jpowpow: It seems you have already found out the answer to your first question and created Draft:Phoenix Labs (game studio). I see you have also disclosed your affiliation with the company on your userpage. For a separate article, the subject needs significant (more than a line or two) coverage in multiple independent, reliable (with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy) and secondary (analytical sources written by people independent of the event) sources. A subject that meets these standards is called "notable". Notability is not inherited – even if a game is notable, that doesn't necessarily make its developers notable.

Looking at the sources in the draft, I would say a separate article is not justified. Almost all of the sources cover Dauntless and only mention its developers in passing. The two that don't (Gamasutra and GamesDaily.biz) are problematic in other ways. The first source, while reliable, is very brief; and the second source is an interview, which usually counts as a primary source because it's based on information provided by the subject. Overall, especially considering there is already a section in the Dauntless article on its developers, I'm inclined to say your company is not independently notable.

However, I'm unconvinced the former software developer Phoenix Labs is notable either, so I may nominate it for deletion once I've completed a check for sources. – Teratix ₵ 10:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

One way in which you can improve the draft and make the job of the reviewer easier would be to consolidate references used more than once, see WP:REFB#Same reference used more than once. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:42, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you both for the information, User: David Biddulph and User:Teratix. I totally understand the importance of maintaining Wikipedia's integrity, and I've edited the draft article Draft:Phoenix Labs (game studio) to remove the Gamesdaily.biz interview. I have also cited more sources that cover the developer, Phoenix Labs, and its activity specifically. I've also consolidated references used more than once. New references include: and . Jpowpow (talk) 21:33, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

References

Moving page to mairspace

Hi!

I extremely need to move my article "Samira Mustafaeva" from draft to mainspace, I'm waiting so long! Please, help me to hasten this process!

Thanks!

Rula Borzykh 08:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Samira Mustafaeva.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Your submission doesn't have enough inline citations (the little blue numbers that show which sources support statements made in the article). Read referencing for beginners for a good explanation of the process. – Teratix ₵ 09:19, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I added links and footnotes to the page.

Changing the subject of an article

Hi, I nominated Anthony Bliss for deletion on 28 April. I want to know whether there is any guidance about how/ whether to change the subject of an article such as Anthony Bliss from Anthony Bliss the son (as created) to Anthony Bliss the father (as it stood last week) or both men (as it now stands). It seems confusing if the subject of an article and its wikidata entry can change from day to day through normal edits. I have tried an internet search without success.TSventon (talk) 10:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

As this is the only unanswered query from yesterday, I am possibly asking in the wrong place. I have added a comment to the deletion discussion asking the closing admin what needs to be done.TSventon (talk) 11:59, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@TSventon: The Teahouse is never the wrong place to ask, as long as the question is related to editing Wikipedia. The reason you had no answer is probably that it is a good question!

The deletion discussion seems to be coming around the conclusion that it should be an article about the father, but keep the info about the son.

My opinion on the process is that instead of keeping and editing, it should have been deleted then recreated (precisely to avoid changing the subject of the article via normal editing) but it probably runs afoul of WP:BURO. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:21, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tigraan:, Thank you for responding to my query. I have contributed to the discussion to support keeping an article about the father, including the info about the son, but I am trying to ensure that this is done in line with Wikipedia and wikidata policy. The history is messy, so the question now is what is the best way to clean it up? Do you have any ideas on places to post queries which are difficult to answer even after trawling through the policies and guidelines?TSventon (talk) 10:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

TSventon, you might find something in the WP:Help directory, but this page is never a bad place to start. --valereee (talk) 10:57, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

@Valereee:, thanks, that gives me some more possibilities. Hopefully the closing administrator for the AfD discussion will be able to assist with my current query in a few days time.TSventon (talk) 11:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Create a new company page in Wiki

Dear All,

The company I work for (IEE S.A. in Luxembourg) does not have a Wikipedia page yet and we would like to have one. Would you kindly indicate the steps I need to follow for this?

Many thanks and kind regards,

Silvia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viana Martin (talk • contribs) 2019-04-30T11:39:23 (UTC)

Hello, Silvia. The first thing to realise is that nobody - not one person, not one company - has a Wikipedia article. (People do say that, loosely, but I think it will help you to understand the situation if you abandon that phrase). Instead, Wikipedia has articles about many notable subjects - people, companies, etc. Wikipedia will accept an article about your company only if the company is notable in the special way that Wikipedia uses that word - roughly, that several people who have no connection to the company have chosen to write about it at some length, without prompting or input from the company, and been published in reliable sources. If that is the case, then an article can be written, based on what those independent sources say about it. Wikipedia has little interest in what a company wants to say about itself, and no interest at all in how it wishes to be portrayed, and any attempt to use a Wikipedia article for promotional purposes gets strongly resisted. If we have an article about your company, you will have no control over the content, and will be strongly discouraged from editing the article directly.

So, having said all that, is there a way you can arrange to get an article about your company? Well, possibly. First, you should look for sources to see if your company is notable by Wikipedia's standard (see the link above): if it is not, then there is no point in wasting your time, or anybody else's, in trying to get an article written. You need to find solid, reliable references, more than just listings, with no input from the company itself (i.e. nothing based on an interview or press release).

If you can find some references, then the 'official' way to ask for an article is to post at Requested articles; but in all honesty, the take-up rate there is very low. This is an entirely volunteer project, so people work on what interests them.

You are permitted to try and write an article yourself. If you are going to try this, you must start by declaring your conflict of interest as a paid contributor. Then you should read Your first article, and use the articles for creation process to create a draft. As it tells you there, writing a new article that is accepted is difficult, and doing so with a conflict of interest is even more so.

If all this sounds discouraging: I'm sorry, but it is meant to be. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a directory where companies (or anything else) can advertise themselves. --ColinFine (talk) 12:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

create a new article

Hello! I extremely need to move my article "Shams al-Din Muhammad Mojtahedi Najafi" from sandbox to establish it,please help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatemiounwiki1 (talk • contribs) 2019-04-30T11:59:56 (UTC)

Draft:Shams al-Din Mohammad Mojtahedi Najafi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

@Fatemiounwiki1: a editor has reviewed your draft and declined it. Please see the note and work to improve the article. -Arch dude (talk) 14:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

What is so extreme about your need? To be suitable for a Wikipedia article, the subject must have been written about at length in independent WP:Reliable sources. Your task is to search for these, and to summarise what they say. Dbfirs 18:47, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Editing a Page - Jaggi Vasdev

Jaggi Vasudev (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello!

I have been trying to add a section to the Wikipedia page of Jaggi Vasudev under the heading of 'Criticism and Controversy' with complete citation.

The content of the added section is as follows:

"A recent controversy against Sadhguru revolves around him calling a Muslim student, Bilal Bin Saqib, at the London School of Economics and Political Science, a ‘Taliban’ which was severely condemned by the LSE Students’ Union who referred it as an ‘Islamophobic’ comment and allegedly asked for an apology. The justification Jaggi gave in his video reply to the Students’ Union for calling the student a Taliban was his belief that in India it means “an ardent student” or someone who is “over-enthusiastic”. The apology was rejected by the Students’ Union claiming that the comments perpetuate a culture of casual islamophobia which needs to be condemned at all conditions."

The citation for this section can be read through this link: https://beaveronline.co.uk/%EF%BB%BFspiritual-leader-condemned-after-calling-lse-student-taliban-at-lsesu-event/

However, I received a message later on that the content is not constructive whereas I would like to clear that the information provided is a factual-based content. Let me know what can be done to get this section published on the Wikipedia page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dany Brave (talk • contribs) 30 April 2019 11:00 (UTC)

@Dany Brave: This is really a content dispute. Please discuss with the editor(s) who removed your additions; preferably, this should take place at the article talk page. One of the reverts to the page invited you to view the talk where you will find earlier discussions relating to criticism of the subject. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:39, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Merciless editing

Who remembers that old cautionary note that, I think, used to be visible in every Edit window. Something like, "If you don't want your writing to be subject to merciless (?) editing, don't submit it......"? Or words to that effect. Is it on the site anywhere, anymore? Any links? DonFB (talk) 13:58, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@DonFB: I don't remember it, but that message is from MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning2. There's an archived thread that seems to suggest it dropped out of use before June 2010. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:18, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@John of Reading: Haha, thanks, that's the one--I remembered it pretty well. I may deploy it in...uh...a conversation I've been having. DonFB (talk) 15:53, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

How do I change the name of a page without an autoconfirmed account?

I need to rename a company page because of a rebrand, which is why I created an account, and it has not been autoconfirmed. I've been reading the help pages on this and I still can't figure it out. Am I supposed to paste this somewhere?

The page is Stinson Leonard Street, which needs to change to Stinson LLP. This is a legal name change, and if you need proof, I can link to press articles.

Thanks! Cs3338 (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

The short answer is that you don't. Place a request on the talk page (with links to independent reporting, not company press releases) and another editor will evaluate it and implement it if they are happy. Whilst you are awaiting that, please ensure you read WP:COI and WP:PAID. You need to make a disclosure of your paid editing and conflict of interest. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

To add to what Martin of Sheffield said, Cs3338: please note that the policy in WP:COMMONNAME says that Wikipedia uses the name for subject found in the majority of reliable sources. This is not necessarily the legal name of an entity. If your company has changed name, this should of course be noted in the article about the company, but it is not necessarily appropriate to move the article until there are independent sources which have recorded the change. If it were indeed a "company page", you might expect it to reflect the change automatically, but it is not: it is Wikipedia's article about the company, and the company has no proprietorial rights in it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Business Page

I would like to create a page for my business but even trying to create an account with our company name as username, it says the name is taken. Can someone please help?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.174.82 (talk • contribs)

You should do neither of those things. Wikipedia has rather stringent conflict of interest guidelines, and it is strongly discouraged that you use Wikipedia to create "pages" for your business. That is not what Wikipedia is for. --Jayron32 16:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

What is the user name? If there is an account here with the name of a business, and that name is not also a reasonable non-business-sounding name, then we need to ask that user to change the name. See WP:USERNAME. However, This will NOT free up that name for you to use, either, since you also must use a personal name, not a business name. This is entirely separate from all the other issues you would encounter if attempting to create a page for your business. See WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 17:20, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

cannot access wikipedia page

Hi I am currently learning about Integral and have found an interesting website (or user) in wikipedia. The link is the following

https://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Integrals123

Since yesterday I was not able to access this site. Please help

That is a link to something called Wikiversity, which is not Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 18:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

It takes a long time to load over a slow internet connection. The desktop version is [1]. Dbfirs 18:41, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

It also works but loads very slowly for me. There is a huge number of formulas loaded as images. It's a user page so the formulas may not have been reviewed by anyone else. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Debra Hill

The biography of film maker Debra Hill is incorrect; she was born in Philadelphia and grew up in Haddonfield, NJ. You can find an obituary from the Courier-Post Newspaper to corroborate this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.126.2 (talk) 19:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

The New York Times says Debra Hill was born in Haddonfield and raised in Philadelphia (which is corroborated by multiple other sources, e.g. [2] [3] [4]. Can you provide the source that says otherwise? Regards SoWhy 19:19, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veach

I thought I added via EDIT Monroe Veach to this Famous Surname persons area. But, today I do not see it?? Did someone DELETE it? Or, is there a 'process' for adding Monroe Veach of Missouri?

Lonny Veach — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Lonnyveach (talk • contribs) 2019-04-30T22:34:05 (UTC)

Hello, Lonnyveach, and welcome to the Teahouse. You did add an entry to Veach, but if you look at the article's History, you will see that Xezbeth removed it again, with the edit summary "rm redlink". That is a bit cryptic, I agree, but if you look at WP:REDLINK, you will see that that means "a link to an article that doesn't exist". All the rest of the entries in that list are single-line summaries with wikilinks to existing articles. Xezbeth's point is that only people who are already the subject of an article are listed there, so they removed your addition. See Write the article first.

Writing a new article is hard, and even harder if you have a conflict of interest - judging by your name, you may well have. If you want to take this further, please read your first article, and notability. --ColinFine (talk) 21:59, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

how to post a question of fact concerning a particular article?

This is with regard to a claim made in the first paragraph of a lengthy article on Hard Times by Dickens in which one reads that: "Hard Times is unusual in several ways ... it is his only novel not to have scenes set in London."

I believe that this claim is false.

Were I reassured that I am not in error myself in placing my claim or question here, I would go on to research and to attempt to prove my point.

So my first question is this: am I writing this comment in the "right" place?

Allen2604:2000:12C0:A0CD:9C90:5BE9:8CBC:4C24 (talk) 22:33, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

The content of articles is normally discussed on the Talk page of the article in question. So, Talk:Hard Times (novel) would be the place to bring this up.

This Help Desk is generally for questions about how to edit Wikipedia. Like your question about where to ask your question. :)

Let us know if you have any further questions. --†dismas†|^(talk) 22:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

If you see an assertion in an article, and the assertion is not backed by a reference to a reliable source, and you don't think it's correct, then you can put the {{fact}} template after it. This tells other readers that someone (you) questions the assertion. You should also raise the issue on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 02:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Essay

How do I create an essay? ARZ100 (talk) 22:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

An essay for Wikipedia, or an essay for some other purpose? If the former, only a very limited range of essays is suitable, and you shouldn't attempt one until you're an experienced editor of articles. If the latter, you're asking at the wrong place. -- Hoary (talk) 04:05, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

It was the former. I was going to write a comedic essay, similar to Wikipedia:Assume bad faith and Wikipedia:Assume good wraith. ARZ100 (talk) 14:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, ARZ100. I suggest writing it in a WP:User subpage - as long as it's about Wikipedia, that is an acceptable place to work on it. I don't think there is a defined procedure for reviewing pages in Wikipedia space, so when you're satisfied with it, just go ahead and move it to Wikipedia: space. The worst that can happen is that somebody nominates it at miscellany for deletion. --ColinFine (talk) 14:46, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! ARZ100 (talk) 14:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)