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April 4

Error while posting a new page

Hi! In the morning I tried to create a new page in English about my director, this is the link to her Russian page. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мустафаева,_Самира_Арастуновна

But Wiki didn't allow me to post a new page in English or even page with automatic translation of Russian Samira's page, made by Wiki, the error looked like "You do not have permission to create new pages."

How can I post a new page in English? Maybe I need to receive new status for that?

Rula Borzykh 12:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC) Рула Борзых — Preceding unsigned comment added by Рула Борзых (talk • contribs)

New users aren't permitted to create articles directly in mainspace. You can use the article wizard; see the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:04, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Google snippets as reliable sources

Hi, as we know we can only see snippet views for several of the google books. Can those snippet views be used as references in articles? Or is there any rule that prohibits the usage of snippets and supports only full books. Thanks Sharkslayer87 (talk) 12:47, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Sharkslayer87 As long as the book exists and you know the page(s) you can reference it, it doesn't matter if none of it is visible on Google books, I would recommend not linking to Google books website unless the next is fully free Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:03, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sharkslayer87:Reference the book, not the snippet. Use {{cite book}}, not {{cite web}}, and fill in all relevant book parameters (ISBN, publisher, year, author, etc.) which you can get from the Google books description page for the book, and also the page number you got from the snippet. I respectfully disagree(?) with Jimfbleak about the link: I would link to google books, but to the description page for the book, not to the actual snippet page. If the book has an ISBN, the ISBN link is the best way for a user to actually find the book. If the book lacks an ISBN, it may be old enough to be PD, and if so it might be at archive.org: try to find it and link there instead of to the restricted book at google. -Arch dude (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Personally I usually use the snippet page as url in {{cite book}} if there is one, partly because I'm lazy and partly because as long as it lasts it's helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Why American - Edit?

I was reading Westroads Mall shooting and there says the gunman was American though born in an Air Force base in the UK.

Does that make him American anyway? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LLcentury (talk • contribs) 14:49, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes. MilborneOne (talk) 14:54, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, yes what --LLcentury (talk) 14:56, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, he is American. American nationality does not require being born within the borders of the U.S. That is one method of acquiring it, but there are others as well. Being born outside of the borders of the U.S. is not a disqualifying factor in U.S. nationality. --Jayron32 15:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@LLcentury: A person born abroad to US citizens technically has "derived citizenship". The only difference I know of between "natural born" and "derived" citizenship is whether or not a person with derived citizenship can become the US president: this is subject to interpretation and has not yet been decided by a US court. In many countries at various times in the past, a person born in that country could elect to be a citizen of that country, such election to be made before the person is some particular age that varied by country. For those born in Germany during the Cold War era, the age was 21. -Arch dude (talk) 17:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

If you are born on an US military base overseas, that is exactly the same as being born in the country. Wouldn't be at all fair to send our personell overseas and then deny citizenship to their children. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

And now that I actually looked at the article his parents were Americans but the base was an RAF base, so that's kinda the same but not exactly. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:14, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

The only functional difference is that those born elsewhere receive a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America rather than a normal birth certificate. If you are born abroad but your parents are US citizens, then you are also a citizen. And no, you did not automatically get to choose German citizenship if you were born there during the Cold War. If you have no familial connection to Germany then you don't get squat. Source: born in Germany during the Cold War. GMG^talk 17:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I suggest looking at the article Birthright citizenship in the United States. It can get complicated. See Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Born_in_Kenya for an interpretation that if Ann Dunham had gone to Kenya before her son's (Barack Obama) birth that the fact that she hadn't been in the United States for 5 years after age 14 (since she herself had not reached 19) that Obama would not have been a US Citizen. I'm not saying Volokh is right, but it can get complicated.Naraht (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

See, Jus sanguinis ("law of blood"), compare, Jus soli ("law of soil") but someone could be born with more than one claim to citizenship depending on the sometimes conflicting laws in effect where and to whom they were born, in that case there is usually a process for clearing it up. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Also note that going back to the the second world war all American bases in the UK are officially RAF bases on loan but the British involvement is very little if token. MilborneOne (talk) 18:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Posting English page and adding into Russian Wiki

Hello!

Sorry for asking twice about one problem, but I can't understand how to post public a new page.

I created a page using the wizard - result you can see on the picture below. Link to the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Рула_Борзых/sandbox/Samira_Mustafaeva

It was saved only in my storage? I need to add this English page as a link into Russian page in Russian Wiki. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Рула Борзых (talk • contribs) 17:16, Today (UTC+1)

Рула Борзых First of all, if that were to be in mainspace, as an unsourced biography of a living person it would be eligible for deletion. You need to add citations to reliable sources (they don't have to be in English). When you think the article is ready for mainspace, put {{subst:submit}} at the top and someone will come along to review it and either move it to mainspace or give you advice about it. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:24, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Please read the links given in reply to your earlier question at #Error while posting a new page above. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! So, I've made all needed to post the page, but it may take more than two months, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. Can this page be moved to mainspace earlier? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Рула Борзых (talk • contribs) 18:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

здравствуйте, Рула Борзых. In two and a half days, your account will be autoconfirmed, and then you will be able to move the draft into main space. But if you were to do so it would get deleted or moved back to a draft pretty quickly because, as ONUnicorn said, it has no citations to reliable published sources. For the same reason, if it happens that a reviewer comes and reviews it today, they will decline. You need to read WP:BLP and WP:REFB and improve it hugely before it will be accepted. You may be making the understandable, but wrong, assumption that because an article is exists in ru-wiki, it will necessarily be acceptable in en-wiki. This assumption is wrong for two reasons. First, each Wikipedia has its own rules and policies, and something that is acceptable in one might not be in the other. Secondly, English Wikipedia has many substandard articles (mostly from long ago before we became as strict) which would not be acceptable if they were submitted for review today; and I suspect that the same is true of other Wikipedias such as ru-wiki. Unfortunately, most people who come to edit Wikipedia want to go straight in and write new articles rather than improve existing ones. (And some of us prefer to spend time answering questions here rather than either of those options!) --ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

how to disable the annoying "your edit was saved" pop up

Today I started getting an annoying pop up at the top of my screen every time I edit an article. I don't need a notification to interrupt me and grab my attention to make me aware that I'm doing what I know I'm doing anyway. Could anybody please let me know how to disable this clever "feature"? Thanks very much! Dr. Vogel (talk) 22:56, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I've looked all through my preferences and if this is in there, I can't find it. WP:VPT might be a better place to ask if nobody here knows. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:50, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I had a look too and didn't find it. I'll ask there. Dr. Vogel (talk) 23:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)