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April 6

Moved article to review cannot use sandbox

This morning I finished editing my first article and clicked publish to review. I was then directed to move the article from my sandbox to a draft. After moving the article, my sandbox redirects to the draft article, but I can no longer use my sandbox. Is there a way I can create a new sandbox to work on other articles while I am waiting for my submitted article to be reviewed.

thanks so much

sacha cari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sachacari (talk • contribs) 01:14, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

If you go to User:Sachacari/sandbox and it redirects to the draft, you'll see that in the top left-hand corner it says " (Redirected from User:Sachacari/sandbox)"; the link in there takes you back to the sandbox itself, and if you edit there you can remove the redirect to the draft and use the sandbox for something new. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:47, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect information

Nazi was a left wing party not a right wing party, hence the name National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.25.125.176 (talk) 04:10, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

What next? North Korea is actually really free because of the name Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea? Alpha3031 (t • c) 04:49, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. If you think an artice can be improved, please post on the talk page of that article. Remember that all information (and especially all judgments or opinions) in Wikipedia must be referenced to a reliable published source: your views (or mine) are not acceptable as a source. --ColinFine (talk) 07:41, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Watchlist Borked?

When I read a page in this project from my Watchlist, the wiki software marks that page as read. Except it has just stopped doing that, and pages I have read are no longer marked as such. Where should this be reported? -Roxy, the dog. wooF 07:54, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

• Nowhere, for now. Small time server lags... Resolved. Lourdes 08:01, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
• Hooray. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 08:04, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Need to create an Article page for Anand Pandit

Hello Team,

I am the new user, and I know the film producer and real estate developer Mr. Anand Pandit. I would like to create his page so that people can aware about his journey. Can you please help me how to create page for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aartilogisyntax (talk • contribs) 10:48, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

I've deleted the draft for this, and I'll put guidance on his talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Jim

I had recreated the page as per the COI guideline please check, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anand_Pandit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aartilogisyntax (talk • contribs) 12:08, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

I've deleted the recreation and blocked the user as they only seem interested in promoting Mr. Pandit. 331dot (talk) 12:14, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

When to reference when adding links to other articles

Hello I'd like to get some feedback on a recent Twinkle edit made to revert my edits on Squatting, here's the diff. The edit summary said “Most of these edits, if not all, are unsourced. Please provide citations if you add them again.” This seems a bit trigger happy to me. To go through the rollbacks:

• "There are many left-wing self-organised occupied projects across Italy such as Cascina Torchiera in Milan and Forte Prenestino in Rome" - comment: this seems ok to me since I am linking to the two respective article pages
• re CasaPound edit: edits were moving stuff around, not relevant to this discussion
• "The eviction of Kukutza in Bilbao was met with largescale protests." -comment: linking to article, maybe the mention of protest needs a ref?
• "In the middle of the 1990s, Geneva had 160 buildings illegally occupied and more than 2,000 squatters." - comment: it's a referenced claim, so seems weird to revert
• "The Forest Café in Edinburgh squatted its old premises in 2011 before moving to a new site." - comment: seems ok, I've added a bluelinked article
• "There have been several land squats as road protests such as Bilston Glen and Pollok Free State." - comment: same thing, two blue links, do I then need a reference for Bilston Glen?
• Occupy Homes in see also – comment: not sure why this was reverted

I'm hoping that asking about this will help me understand a more general question I've been wondering about in the abstract concerning blue links. For my feeling Squatting is acting a as a sort of holder page and so i can put information there about people and projects without referencing everything since the bluelink leads back to the page where the reference is. I've been wondering about this more generally lately but haven't really found an answer through searching or reading the Manual of Style.

It is true that for leads in articles references aren't always needed (see recent featured articles Georgetown Car Barn and Referendum Party), so can the various country entries in Squatting be considered as leads?

So I guess after asking for feedback, my question is then must every sentence be referenced, or if the sentence contains a blue link leading back to a referenced article, is that ok? Mujinga (talk) 11:34, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Mujinga Strictly speaking no, not OK: "Wikipedia is not a reliable source". In practice we do it all the time, usually without difficulty. But once a statement in an article is challenged, or open to being contested as potentially controversial, the Verifiability policy (Nutshell box) tells us that an inline citation should be provided for it within that very article. Were it otherwise, anyone wishing to verify could have to track along a whole chain of bluelinks before finding the ultimate reference: Bhunacat10 (talk), 14:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Cheers Bhunacat10 that makes sense! Mujinga (talk) 07:00, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

My got delete

Please help my page got deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aartilogisyntax (talk • contribs) 11:52, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Aartilogisyntax: There are no deleted contributions from your account; please tell which page you are discussing. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, it must be Draft:Anand Pandit. 331dot (talk) 11:57, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

It was deleted because it seems to be a vanity page designed to promote Mr. Pandit. You (and possibly others) seem to have a conflict of interest related to this, you must disclose this if you do. 331dot (talk) 11:59, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

This time i had added connected contribution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anand_Pandit please check — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aartilogisyntax (talk • contribs) 12:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Aartilogisyntax is a sock of Wbxddm whom I'd warned earlier, that account now blocked too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:34, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Page info

I wanted to start a page for my local band. Is that something I am able to do? it seems a little confusing to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkeller69 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Bkeller69: The band will need to have been given significant coverage in independent reliable sources, and meet at least one of Wikipedia's notability criteria for bands written at WP:BAND. Not every band merits an article here. Keep in mind that successfully creating a new article is very difficult; you may want to use the new user tutorial and then spend some time editing existing articles so you are better prepared to write a new article. Either way, I would suggest using Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review and feedback. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Bkeller69:, please don't write about your band, see WP:COI Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:32, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Bkeller69:Probably not. As 331dot said, it must meet our notability criteria. Do not waste any time on writing an article unless you are sure it does, because the article will be deleted. If you really want to try anyway, read WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not where you try to tell people about your band; Wikipedia is where you find out about bands that other people are already paying serious attention to. If the band has not started getting serious press coverage, it probably won't qualify under our standards for band coverage. Otherwise, you end up with the kind of strained but futile effort mocked in this essay: "No one cares about your garage band". --Orange Mike | Talk 15:57, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Location map within switcher template?

Is it possible to use a location map, complete with pogs etc, inside the infobox switcher template? Any advice will, as ever, be much appreciated. cheers, ——SerialNumber54129 16:44, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry the Help desk isn't helping here Serial Number 54129. If your enquiry is as technical as it looks, maybe a post at WP:Village pump (technical) could attract an informed response. Meanwhile, is there perhaps a more widely recognized alias for "infobox switcher template"? And what are "pogs"? - surely you didn't mean to link to WP:Portal/Guidelines!: Bhunacat10 (talk), 15:38, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) ::Ha, Bhunacat10! No problem about that, I'll take your advice and move to VPT. And when I do, I'll make sure to identify switcher templates and pogs! Portal guidelines indeed  :) many many thanks though! Cheers, ——SerialNumber54129 15:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Or try asking at Module talk:Location map. MB 15:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Good idea, I've done that—many thanks MB! ——SerialNumber54129 10:33, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Portal farm

Is there a guideline for the number of portals added to an article as there is for links (WP:LINKFARM)? The article Reformation has 10 portals. Recently, an editor removed 5 portals from the article Puritans with the edit summary, "no article has ever stood to gain anything with silly portal links, especially this many". WP:PORTAL and WP:PORTG don't say anything about portal farms. - thanks - Epinoia (talk) 16:52, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

There's no hard limit that I know of, and there is a whole host of reasons why none is needed. You should discuss on the article's talkpage and achieve compromise on the number of portals the article should have. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

- thanks - Epinoia (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

O. J. Plummer motorcycle

I am attempting to author an article about the O. J. Plummer motorcycle which was claimed to have been built in 1989. I believe that I have opened an account (M. H. Bayer) in which to create the article. How do I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by M h bayer (talk • contribs) 18:50, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

I've added a few useful links in a message on your user talk page, including to the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, M h bayer. Writing a new article is one of the hardest tasks in Wikipedia, and editors who try it before they have made a few hundred edits to improve existing articles often have a frustrating time. --ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Adding publication information to an existing Reference list.

Under my Wikipedia listing -- Frank P. Tomasulo -- there are two book references.

1. One is complete, although the book title is not in italics. 2. The other Reference is incomplete, because it does not include the name of the publisher, Lambert Academic Publishing.

I tried to make these minor corrections/additions but when I clicked the EDIT button, only the word <<REFERENCES>> appeared.

How can I (or someone else) make these simple changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ftomasulo (talk • contribs) 20:23, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Ftomasulo: I have tweaked the refs with this edit. However, they are not really what are required as references for Wikipedia's purposes. They don't even really demonstrate that the books exist as there is no isbn or reviews noted. Sources are used to support statements about the subject and should be independent reliable sources: they should not be used as 'content' in themselves. Furthermore you have an obvious conflict of interest, and you must read that page and make any necessary disclosures and in future make edit requests at the article talk page. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 20:57, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

• PS The question of conflict of interest has already been mentioned to you at your own talk page (in January): Also it is not 'your' page or a 'listing'; it is Wikipedia's article about you. Eagleash (talk) 21:00, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

[edit] vs [edit source]

I would like to add a film to an actress's page. I do not have an [edit] box at the right of the heading for the Filmography section, I have a [edit source] box. How do I get to a screen that offers the [edit] option. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkr310 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kkr310: 'Edit' is the visual editor which can be enabled via the preferences tab at the top of any page. If you are fairly new to Wikipedia it may be best to stick to the edit source option for the time being: the vis-ed can have some anomalies which make it not the best option until more experience has been gained. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 23:59, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Preferences > editing > editing mode > select 'show me both editing tabs' from the dropdown. Eagleash (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)