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August 7

Shuttleworth Collection aircraft list

In Shuttleworth_Collection#Aircraft_in_the_collection - why do the headings all appear in a funny format if the list is collapsed? Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:51, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

• Fixed. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:32, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

a question about my page

hey, i just finished editing and creating a wikipedia article called Dan Tepper (a proffesional handball player). but when i search i cant find this page, i wanted to ask what do i need to do in order to get it published- i read all of your help guides (that are really good, thanks)- and didnt found an answer. hope you could help me, thanks alot, yoel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tepper4141 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Please see your Talk page. Creating autobiographies is forbidden on Wikipedia. David J Johnson (talk) 10:59, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

You haven't created an article; you've created a draft Draft:Dan Tepper which you have not yet submitted for AFC review. There would be no point in submitting it for review in its current state as there are no references to published reliable sources to demonstrate the subject's notability. You need to read the advice at WP:Your first article and the notability criteria at WP:NSPORT. In view of your user name and the name of the subject you also need to read about conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:01, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

hey, this page is not about myself. its about my cousins son, that is a proffesional handball playes. can you please help me? thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tepper4141 (talk • contribs)

First, please sign any contribution. Secondly, please re-read David Buddulph's note above. You have not demonstrated notability and there are no references. You need to submit any article to AFC, but not until you have complied with Wikipedia rules. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 11:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Draft 2020 Pro Bowl article

Can you fix a citation that I just made a while ago please. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 15:12, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Fixed. You spelled Access incorrectly. †dismas†|^(talk) 15:16, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Should it be mentioned in the article?

There are various facts about people's life out there on the internet. Verifiable and true. But should everything be included in a WP article? I can not find an essay that deals with this kind of question. WP:DUE deals mostly with minority views/opinions, I am asking about details than are insignificant. Any suggestions? Thanks Cinadon36 15:26, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Cinadon36: for living persons, the verifiability requirement is very high: see WP:BLP. For verifability, "out there on the Internet" is not good enough: see WP:V and especially WP:RS. "Insignificant" is otherwise an editorial judgement, and you are the editor. When in doubt, reach consensus on the talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 15:54, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Cinadon36: Also note that WP:BLP is a policy, not merely an essay or even just a guideline. Wikipedia has very few policies: they are rules that must be followed, not just good ideas. -Arch dude (talk) 16:08, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information--Quisqualis (talk) 17:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback fellow-wikipedians Arch dude and Quisqualis. Quisqualis I am fully aware of WP NOT policy. But the question is a little beyond that policy. Let me give an example. In 345 BC a King A fought the very well known battle B. After he won, he killed the variant-X. Variant-X could be a sparrow, a donkey, a horse, a slave, a captured enemy or the enemy king. Lets say there is a Primary Source (PS) that details the doings of King A. Let's say there is another secondary source (SS) that mentions the killing of variant-X. When does that killing qualifies to get into the article? Is there a more specific policy, consering this issue? Cinadon36 09:08, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Cinadon36:Since this is not a living person, it becomes a matter of editorial judgement. We try fairly hard to limit the number of hard-and-fast rules. You, the editor, are expected to decide whether or not that factoid will contribute to a reader's understanding of the subject. By contrast to a printed encyclopedia, we do not need to worry about space constraints. If in doubt, discuss this with other editors on the article's talk page to try for a consensus. -Arch dude (talk) 14:58, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

a problem publishing a page

hey, i created a page earlier today, about a proffesional hanball player called Dan Tepper. when i asked why isnt it published i was responded that i cant publish anything about myself. this page isnt about me, is about a proffesional athlete (yes we share the same last name), that i represent. he is the best handball player in israel and should have a wikipedia page. hope you can help me, thanks, yoel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tepper4141 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Tepper4141 I've marked the article as a draft so you can now click on the button "Submit for review". – Thjarkur (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Tepper4141: Please see the section above and take heed of the comments made there. The draft has no references and will be rejected for that reason alone if it is submitted. As you say you represent the player you *must* read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the necessary declarations. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

map features

I am running Safari on Mac OS 10.14.6. Also running Little Snitch. When I open a Wikipedia page showing a map and overlay info (like red dots), the map appears correctly. But when I click on the map to enlarge it, all overlay information (e.g., red dots) disappears. I'm wondering if there's a particular URL (or URL's) I need to allow to see the overlay info on the enlarged maps.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnegvesky (talk • contribs) 17:07, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dnegvesky: The red dots are not a part of the actual image, instead the article places these dots over the map. You can either zoom in on your browser or you can try to see if coordinates are listed in the top right corner of the article, clicking on the coordinates should take you to a map. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:12, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Article was published but not visible when trying to google it

Hi again, I have been very excited that my first wiki page was published. But sadly, when I try to find it in google, it is not actually visible. Regarding, I would like to request wiki expert to please check and if possible kindly check my grammar in the article. I may be bad in grammar because it is not my mother tongue. I write this article because I think, it should be in Wikipedia because it is part of history as well as geography. I pasted a link to my article, kindly check it out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thadlaskein_Lake

Many thank to you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nangoosari (talk • contribs) 18:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@Nangoosari: The article (not just "page") won't be indexed by search engines like Google until a New Page Reviewer marks the page as reviewed, and a reviewer will not do that until the issues pointed out in the box at the top of the article are resolved. Once they are, and the article is reviewed, it will take Google time to index the article so it shows up in search results. 331dot (talk) 18:51, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Submit draft for publishing?

I'm a relatively new user to the platform, and I'm not sure how to submit my draft page, Guitar Showcase, for publishing. How do I go about doing this, and how long does it typically take to get a page reviewed? Thanks so much! Beth Askins (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Beth Askins. The process in question is articles for creation. As that page explains, you can submit your draft by putting the code {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. There's quite a backlog, so it might take a few months to get reviewed. Eman235/talk 19:46, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Beth Askins: thanks for trying to contribute to Wikipedia. Writing an article is one of the hardest things to do. The subject needs to demonstrate notability, and the sourcing and tone need to be done very carefully. From reading the article, I would first suggest that you remove the long, unsourced list of notable customers, and focus on finding independent sources to validate a few of the names. Such a long list from a new editor gives the appearance that you have some sort of relationship with the store. The second more important issue is that there's not enough sourcing to demonstrate notability. I did a quick Google search and don't see much more than you uncovered. Without more sources including a few in-depth pieces, you'll have a hard time convincing others that the store deserves an entry on Wikipedia. Please read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. Best wishes. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:49, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Beth Askins, I've added a button on top so you can submit it now. It can take anywhere from 1 week to 3 months to get an article reviewed. (Now I have a question to others here, doesn't there exist a bot that slaps {{draft}} on top of unmarked drafts? Am seeing a few unmarked drafts that people don't know how to submit) – Thjarkur (talk) 19:50, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

My Boss page keeps getting edited.

Can I get email notifications every time it is edited?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoriginalcrim (talk • contribs)

@Theoriginalcrim: You can't get emailed every time a particular article is edited, but you can get notified of certain things in your Preferences(under the Notifications tab); this includes if one of your edits is reverted. The best you can do is add the page to your watchlist(click the white star at the top of the article, once it turns blue, the page is on your watchlist) and monitor it.

If you represent your boss, you will need to comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies. 331dot (talk) 23:40, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

• You can watchlist it and go to "Peferences > User profile > Email me when a page or a file on my watchlist is changed". But please do read the policies linked above. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:55, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction Thjarkur. I thought that existed. 331dot (talk) 00:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

ec @Theoriginalcrim: - to expand on the replies above, the full description of how to set up email notification when a page on your Watchlist is changed is at Help:Watchlist#Email_notification.--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:04, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Theoriginalcrim: And the usual reminders: It's not your Boss's page. It's our Wikipedia page about your boss. Neither you nor he have any more rights to control or edit the article than any other editor. In fact, you have LESS rights, not more, as outlined in the conflict of interest and paid editing policies. It's too late now, but Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. -Arch dude (talk) 00:37, 8 August 2019 (UTC)