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January 13

Shouldn't this category be a sub-category?

When reviewing categories for an article was was working on recently, I discovered that the category "Crime in Melbourne" appears to be a stand-alone, with its own sub-categories. However, there is a sub-category "Crime in Australia" under "Crime by country" (itself under "Crime"), with no link between to the Melbourne category.
There is also a "Crime by city" category under "Crime", which has sub-categories "Crime in France by City", etc. Does this need some linking and/or rationalisation? Also, there doesn't seem to be a suitable category for Youth Crime, as far as I can see. Any ideas? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@Laterthanyouthink: I don't know where you are looking. Category:Crime in Melbourne displays three parent categories at the bottom. One of them is Category:Crime in Australia by city which has the parent categories Category:Crime in Australia and Category:Crime by city. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:48, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Oh, I do apologise. I realise now why I was confusing myself - I was looking at categories on Wikimedia on a couple of tabs and Wikipedia on others, and the structure is different between the two. Also going down from top to bottom with some and vice versa with others, and may have missed the categories listed at the bottom. (I haven't got to grips fully with Categories and trying to browse a few to see how they were structured.) Thanks for your help. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Very Old Speedy Deletion Requests

What, if anything, should an editor do on finding a draft that has been tagged for G7, speedy deletion by its originator for more than a month? Is speedy deletion facilitated by the assignment of categories to the tagged pages? If so, do very old taggings, or taggings in the previous calendar year, drop out of view? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:32, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate to remove the tag and then re-apply it to change the date on it? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:32, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Can you point to the page you're referring so as to see what actually happened? Pages tagged with {{Db-G7}} or its redirects are placed in the Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as well as Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user. I doubt, if any can stay for full month without being actioned, but cannot rule it out. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

User:Ammarpad - It is Draft:Wes Yee. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. In looking at it, it appears that it is marked with the template but it isn't actually in the category. Hmmm. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

It appears that User:Adam9007 and I tangled with each other trying to fix it. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

It was a malformed CSD request (they substituted the template). There was a discussion about this a while back but I can't remember where or when. Adam9007 (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

It looks as if the editor in question substed {{db-meta}} with the right parameters. Interestingly enough, that template does not include Module:Unsubst to avoid such substitutions. Pinging the module's creator Anomie to please check whether that should be rectified. Regards SoWhy 19:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

A search on insource:"as a page where the author of the only substantial content has requested deletion and/or blanked the page in good faith" in all namespaces finds 29 other occurrences. Those I examined were all tagged with VisualEditor in the edit where the request was made, e.g. [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I fixed this, and I think the template should be forced to not be substituted, since it always shouldn't. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Publicness of thanks

As I look through the history of a page, for each edit I am given the option of thanking the perp (even if the perp is myself). If I click on "thank", I'm asked "Publicly send thanks?", to which question I must choose between two options, "Thank" and "Cancel". I choose the former (and am reassured "thanked"). The specific thankee (?) will see my thanks, but in what sense are my thanks public? (Can I, for example, see a list of thanks recently expressed or received by an editor other than myself?) -- Hoary (talk) 08:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Here is everyone you've thanked and everyone who's thanked you. The public information is who has thanked whom and when, not the exact edit for which thanks were given. ‑ Iridescent 08:55, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Well well. What can I say, Iridescent, other than "thank you"? Oh, I know, I can publicly send thanks to you. Have done! -- Hoary (talk) 09:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Volker Bräutigam

Hi, I made a mistake when I linked this article to the original German page which is a disambiguation one. Can someone please correct the error? It should lead to Volker Bräutigam (Komponist). Thanks in advance; LouisAlain (talk) 09:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Done, at wikidata:Q1437213. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, the sort of magic that is beyond my means. LouisAlain (talk) 10:06, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

The easy way was through the left-hand menu on your new page: Languages: Add links. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:37, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Re: CPRS - Burn victims or skin problems

I am Stefan Benedyka, a qualified multi skilled natural therapist. For CPRS or any skin/burn treatment I recommend a bath filled with aloe vera gel or cactus liquid. The patient is immersed into this bath and the bath is inside a hyperbaric chamber. The atmospheric pressures slowly increased according to the tolerance levels of the client. I hope this information can be disseminated to the medical profession internationally. Thank you. Stefan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.240.235.4 (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Stefan. I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is not (paradoxically) an organ for disseminating information. It is an encyclopaedia: it summarises information which has already been reliably published. --ColinFine (talk) 17:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

DIAMONDOMINO

I SUBMITTED MY NEW 20 PIECE PUZZLE SET CALLED DIAMONDOMINO & WAS TOLD IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE TO USE YOUR ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR THIS ITEM. HOWEVER : YOU HAVE AN EXTENSIVE ARTICLE CALLED PENTOMINOES (12 SQUARE SHAPED PIECES )WHICH IS THE FORE RUNNER OF MY DESIGN (20 DIAMOND SHAPED PIECES). NOW I SEE THAT IT IS IN YOUR ARCHIVE LISTING # 8.1. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET MY DIAMONDOMINO ITEM PROPERLY LISTED? CHARLES H. CHECKLEY? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:198:C17F:ECD0:B145:1D7A:A554:64DC (talk) 16:50, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Please don't write in block capitals; it is considered to be shouting on the internet. Pentominoes have been studied and written about for many years, so it is entirely appropriate to have an article about them. Wikipedia may not be used to publicise a new puzzle. You need to use other media for your marketing, but if your puzzle is eventually written about in WP:Reliable sources, then it might eventually get an article, but not until then. Sorry to disappoint you. Dbfirs 17:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

You have been already told to not use Wikipedia as means of promotion. You promotional request has been previously hidden from a view at Special:Permalink/838902098#Promotional requests, and it will probably happen to this request, too. I also requested removal of your ad at User:Charles H. Checkley/sandbox/INVENTION OF DIAMONDINO BY CHARLES H. CHECKLEY. If you continue spamming Wikipedia with your invention, you're likely to get blocked from editing here. --CiaPan (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I've posted a final warning and COI info on his talk page, next occurrence he should be blocked Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

unreasonable edits and statements from other Wikipedia

I would like to report unreasonable edits made by user Mussav on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohanad_Ali page the user also noted the reasons were because "unrealible source based on defamed site and defamed author" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha6a (talk • contribs) 17:31, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@Alpha6a and Mussav: You would both be well advised to stop edit warring and continue the discussion at the article's talk page. It is important to link to reliable sources in support of basic biographical information: Bhunacat10 (talk), 18:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you User:Bhunacat10 can you please look at the page and see if there is any reason for removing what I have added, when I have included three sources and one is even a national papaer Newssabah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha6a (talk • contribs) 18:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry User:Alpha6a, I don't read Arabic. I'm just advising you both to stop editing the article now, as edit warring can lead to your being blocked from editing: Bhunacat10 (talk), 18:33, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

But how is this fair? And it is not in Arabic but in English also, he has removed the whole sentence and without any reason. Please have a look and see. User:Bhunacat10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha6a (talk • contribs) 18:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Please User:Bhunacat10 can you help?

Can you please have a look at this page and see if user Mussav is being reasonable with his removal of my edits. I included one source from a national Iraqi newspaper newssabah which notes "Police Club beat Industry by a goal to nil with the goal from Hassan Ali, the same player himself (Mohanad Ali), who scored two years ago as Asia's top scorer for the Under 14s which was held in the Iranian city of Hamdan after scoring 6 goals in 5 matches!" This clearly indicates the change of name. http://newsabah.com/newspaper/61585 I do not understand why this was removed, this is a national newspaper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha6a (talk • contribs) 18:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC) Template:Alpha6a

I did not add any unreliable sources based on tweets and speculations and this is a falsehood from the user Mussav I added sources from Ahdaafme, Kooora forums and Iraqi national newspaper newssabah (talk —Preceding undated comment added 18:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:_reported_by_User:Mussav_(Result:_) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha6a (talk • contribs) 18:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

This is the help desk. Volunteers here are not interested in intervening in content disputes. Content disputes should be resolved on the article's talk page, and it that fails, then proceed as outlined in WP:DISPUTE, where you will find volunteers who are in fact interested in helping resolve disputes. -Arch dude (talk) 02:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ 78.120.205.191 (talk • contribs) 2019-01-13T20:00:55 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. According to your edit summary, you appear to have been trying to add an entry to Gray (surname); but the only thing you managed to add to the article was an empty pair of <ref></ref> tags, which I have undone. Please note that disambiguation pages like that one are for navigating Wikipedia, so the only entries they should contain are links to existing Wikipedia articles. Only if somebody writes an article about that Alan Gray (assuming he is notable in Wikipedia's sense - if he isn't, then it is impossible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article about him) can a link be added to the disambiguation page. --ColinFine (talk) 20:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Question about user

The account User:Well educated male from Europe was apparently created about two hours ago, and its very first contributions were to write on my talk page commenting on my old redirects that were currently placed under RfD. It seems the account was created solely for this purpose. Is this a legitimate use of Wikipedia accounts? If not, what can be done about it? JIP | Talk 22:04, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

JIP, I've looked at the edits, and I don't think in themselves that they merit any action beyond what you have said you will do. Creating an WP:SPA I don't think is automatically a breach of our rules, although it's often associated with sock puppetry or spamming, which are. I don't think that you will get a CU check or WP:SPI on the basis of the postings so far, and I can't see any basis on which I would act against the account. It's irritating, but you may have to grin and bear it. Also, if I were you, I'd be bold and delete those dubious redirects myself instead of going to RfD, it's unlikely anyone will object. Sorry if this seems unsupportive Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

how do i report a fraud by bannerbit.

how do i report fraud against banner bit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.49.130 (talk) 22:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

This page is for asking for help with using Wikipedia only. I'm afraid you will have to seek assistance with your matter elsewhere. 331dot (talk) 22:39, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

If you think there is incorrect information in a Wikipedia article, then raise the issue on that article's talk page. If you are associated with the subject, do not edit the article directly. If you are not associated with the subject and if the information is not referenced to a reliable source, then edit the article and delete the incorrect assertion. If you believe an assertion is incorrect but it is referenced to a reliable source, do not delete it, but if it is contested in another reliable source, add that fact and the reference to the article."Fraud" is a term of law. Do not assert fraud: it implies a legal threat. An editor who makes a legal threat will be blocked from editing and should pursue the matter outside of Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 02:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Tool for quickly copying media from Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons to another wiki?

Jimbo just asked the following question on his talk page: "I wonder if anyone here knows of a tool for quickly copying media (images mainly) from Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons to another (non-WMF) wiki, in such a way that automatically follows best practices for attribution?"[2]

Does anyone know of such a tool? --Guy Macon (talk) 22:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

@Guy Macon and Jimbo Wales: I believe the Export tool (and corresponding Import) does the job. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 01:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Having a look at export dumps, it quite easily preserves attribution, but doesn't seem to include the actual content of an image. Running some tests, it'll preserve the attribution of the description (if you select to keep all revisions), but the image needs uploading seperately. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 01:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Super interesting, thanks! InstantCommons seems relevant as well.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)