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January 27

Default sort on Earth shelter

The page Earth sheltering was moved to Earth shelter. However I noted the "default sort" at the bottom of the page remains "Earth shletering". Should that also be changed to Earth shelter?

Related, the article Earth house is to be merged into Earth shelter. What happens to the default sort on Earth house? Many thanks, Matthew Ferguson (talk) 09:30, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

@Matthew Ferguson 57: Earth shelter says {{DEFAULTSORT:Earth Sheltering}}. Capitalization doesn't matter in category sorting in the current software (it mattered years ago). Articles should sort at their real name unless there is reason for another sorting. That means a DEFAULTSORT is often changed after a move. It can be sorted as "Earth shelter" by simply removing {{DEFAULTSORT:...}}. This makes it use the page name for sorting. I'm sure "Earth shelter" and "Earth sheltering" will sort in the same position in all categories it will ever be in so it doesn't actually matter in this case but I would still remove DEFAULTSORT. If Earth house is merged into Earth shelter then the former will become a redirect. Redirects usually have no reason for specifying a DEFAULTSORT but it is possible. The current one is irrelevant anyway since it matches the page name. A DEFAULTSORT for a redirect can especially be relevant if the redirect is placed in categories meant for articles. This is usually not done but see Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

citation

Maurizio Pollini article, citation 16. 'Hong Kong interview, YouTube, April 2009'. (Just one example is perhaps sufficient.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hembsby (talk • contribs) 10:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Hembsby Could you explain this in a little more detail and link to the article where you see a problem? – I'm not seeing such a citation in Maurizio Pollini: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:39, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Publishing finished article

Hello friends, I am still putting finishing touches on an article, and I save each edited version by clicking on "Publish." Question: what do I do when the article is ready to be published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordcobbler (talk • contribs) 10:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

When it is ready, paste {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft. You need to read WP:Referencing for beginners to see how reference citations are done. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:13, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for quick reply, but I see two answers to my question. The first, above the task bar, says paste {{AFC submission|||ts=20190127112125|u=Wordcobbler|ns=4}} at top of draft, the second says paste {{subst:submit}}. Are both valid?Wordcobbler (talk) 11:21, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Wordcobbler

• Hi Wordcobbler I'm not sure what task bar you mean but {{AFC submission|||ts=20190127112125|u=Wordcobbler|ns=4}} is the expanded form that {{subst:submit}} will create. You'll notice that is the date and time in the ts= field and the submitters name is added in the u=. So I would advise always just using {{subst:submit}}, or you can add {{User sandbox}} to the top and that will give you a submit button to use when ready. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 11:57, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

The {{submit}} template, when substituted, will fill in the AFC submission template and include appropriate values for the various parameters (including your user name and the time tag), so it is the easiest way to do it. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:57, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

error on "The Matrix" 1999 film page

in the section containing footnotes 7 and 8 the sentence beginning "The film contains...others EMPHASIS the idea (it should read EMPHASIZE)

also in the same section: "...AN highly entertaining action movie..." (it should read "A highly entertaining action movie...")(according to Prentiss Hall Reference Guide to Grammar and Usage AN should be used before a vowel or an unsounded H) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.219.245 (talk • contribs) 11:05, January 27, 2019 (UTC)

 Done by Whiteghost.ink, Lourdes 11:22, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Country retreat

Country retreat is a term used for many country castles, houses, mansions, and palaces. Can I create an article with examples, or is it too like a dictionary definition?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 19:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Dthomsen8 I would say this required a careful assessment of your sources where this term is used and discussed, against the criteria set out in WP:DICDEF and in particular this section: Bhunacat10 (talk), 09:01, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

wrong spelling of person's name on their page

Hi...This is a really simple correction, but we're mystified how to do it. We tried.

The name of ADRIANNE (Adrianne) Ellis is wrong for her page...when you search for it CORRECTLY (As Adrianne), it says no page, but there is a link to Adrienne Ellis (Adrienne). We're having it corrected on IMDB as well. They also have the wrong birth date for her too. Wiki has that correct.

We corrected other places on her page where it showed the "e" and corrected that with the "a" but it's not correcting her name to be able to search for it with the correct spelling.

HOW CAN HER NAME BE CORRECTED WHEN SEARCHED FOR WITH THE CORRECT SPELLING? THANKS!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrienne_Ellis URL should show Adrianne...with the "a"

:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:e000:248c:a900:a9f0:7293:650b:4681 (talk) 21:55, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

I have looked all over the internet. And her name is always spelled with the "e". In fact, when I typed it with the "a", the computer (Google) automatically corrected the "a" and changed it to an "e", on its own. Why do you think that the correct spelling is with an "a"? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:59, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

This report, for one, has the "a". What is worrying is that the article has no sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

:::I see that the article is new spelled with an E. But if there is so much confusion among sources, would it be worth adding a redirect from Adrianne Ellis to Adrienne Ellis?--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC) Stoopid comment - forget it!

How can I view the various title changes to an article's title?

Is there some easy way to see the history / evolution of the changes to an article's title? I want to see how the title of an article has changed over time. I imagine that one way is to look at each and every edit in the "View History" tab. But, is there some easier way? The "View History" tab on some articles can have thousands upon thousands of entries / edits. The article I am referring to, at this moment, is: Schoharie limousine crash. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:56, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

The log will show changes of title; logs are linked from history. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:58, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. What "log"? Where do I find the log? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:02, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

The link is near the top of the page when you view the page history. Log. However the one log won't always record all page moves (for example this one). You may need to pull up the full history and search within the page history for " moved". -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:07, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the move log only shows moves from the specified title to another title. Sometimes it's easier to find moves in the page history of the talk page because there are fewer edits. But there is no guarantee an article and talk page are moved together. It may also help to click "What links here" and "Hide links" to find redirects to the page. Old titles often but not always redirect to the current title. There will often be other redirects which are not from page moves. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• Joseph, the actual link you're searching for is Special:Log/move. You can use the article title and other fields to find details. Thanks, Lourdes 02:52, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Joseph. When you have the page history open, and you set it to say 500 revisions, you can go to the url in your browser and manually change the number to 5000 (you'll see in the url "...&limit=500..."; just add a zero and hit return (it may take a bit to load because of the size). Then, use the find function (ctrl+f; ⌘ Cmd+f) and search for moved page; if there's more than 5k edits, just go to the next page and repeat the search. Doing this should allow you to find the moves pretty quickly, even for articles with many thousands of edits. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 08:35, 29 January 2019 (UTC)