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Using a lecture as a cited source

If a notable person gives a lecture in a public forum telling about his life, can this be considered a reliable source? We are talking about information not likely to be contested, such as who influenced him, etc. Is it considered "original research"? What if the lecture is not published in print, but the audio is recorded (and thus verifiable)? Is there a citation template for a lecture? Thank you, Eagledj (talk) 00:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamp123kid (talk • contribs) 00:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Lamp123kid. We require that the source be published (so that in principle, anybody can get hold of a copy - though it doesn't have to be easy, or free of charge) reliably (so it's not just a random person - or even the lecturer - putting it up on their personal blog or website). But if it meets those requirements, then yes, it can be cited as a source. I don't think there is a policy which says whether to cite the lecture or the transcript (or both) in that case. You can use templates such as {{cite journal}} and {{cite video}}. --ColinFine (talk) 01:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Eagledj: Hello, Colin has replied to your question but a less than helpful interloper has confused the issue. Eagleash (talk) 04:50, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Adam Dahlberg

I need some help with Draft:Adam Dahlberg. There's an error in the references saying the invoked ref hasn't been defined, even though it has... I can't seem to find what's wrong, could someone please fix it? Thank you in advance. Melofors (talk) 01:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Cured in this edit; simply a missing equals character in the ref definition. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Edits in your bio

Donal Logue (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I notice a lot of activity in my bio that removes important information or reports erroneous stuff. It takes away any reference to my living in Nogales, Arizona and El Centro, California. Going to School in England, (St. Ignatius College) winning the American Legion Boys' nation Presidency in 1983 (it links to American Legion Boys' Nation)

the same people jump on board and tear up my bio. I contribute financially to wiki but I'm starting to get frustrated with the open door policy donal logue — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donallogue (talk • contribs) 03:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Donallogue: Hello, according to your contrbutions, you have not edited the page since 2012. There were a number of unconstructive changes made to the page in October 2019 and these were quickly dealt with as vandalism and the page restored to a stable version. If you have changes you would like to see made to the article please make requests on its talk page and provide reliable sources. See Template:Request edit for instructions. Please also read WP:COI and make the necessary disclosures. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Donallogue:, please also note that even if it you were to add such material, it ought to and probably would be removed unless it was cited to a published Reliable source independent of yourself. All facts in Wikipedia must be verified by such citations so that readers can confirm for themselves, if they wish, that they are not inventions inserted by mischievous third parties pretending to be you: such things do happen here. Things that you know but are not published are inadmissable, because readers cannot consult your mind to confirm them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.217.209.178 (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Donallogue: Do you have anywhere else where we can read about the things you want added to the article? If you have a source we can use for reference, that would be really helpful. --Jayron32 17:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Adding a new article on wikipedia

Good Day Wikipedia team,

I wanted to find out how i can go about adding an artist bio on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naye Ayla (talk • contribs) 08:51, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Naye Ayla. Writing a new article is one of the hardest tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months improving some of our six million existing articles before they try it, so they can learn how Wikipedia works and what not to do. If you do write an article about the artist, remember, that it must be almost entirely based on what people unconnected with the artist have chosen to publish about them (Wikipedia is not interested in what the artist says about themselves, or what their associates say - and that will include any galleries or exhibitions who have shown them), and it must be neutral in tone, not promotional in any way. If there is not enough independently published material about them, then they do not meet Wikipedia's criteria of notability, and no article on them will be accepted however it is written. But if you want to try it, please start by reading your first article.

Two more caveats: if you have come here because you want to tell the world about the artist, or to help improve their online presence: that is promotion, and is incompatible with the purposes of Wikipedia. And if the artist in question is yourself, please note that autobiography is very strongly discouraged. --ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Help on deletion process

Hi all, I have proposed via TW for a page to be deleted, but I do not see that nomination listed at today's articles for deletion log. Did I do something wrong? Will a bot list it some time later? Thanks. Cinadon36 09:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Cinadon36: Twinkle's edits were correct. You have tagged the article for "uncontroversial" deletion via the Wikipedia:Proposed deletion process, whereas the "articles for deletion" log is for articles where the deletion needs discussion, using the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion process. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you John of Reading, I think now I did it the proper way. Cheers. Cinadon36 14:23, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Edit help

I have made Plot summary for Blaze (2018 film). When I went back to edit the second paragraph, the new type characters fill in about seven spaces back. I have two sentences to add but there seems to be a blank space I cannot type. I closed the article to go back in and that did not help. Please go to the article to see my problem. There is some kind of code in the text. The delete key keeps backing more text out. Thanks. Eschoryii (talk) 10:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Eschoryii:  Fixed... space removed; you'll need to edit the text to what you were wanting to say. Eagleash (talk) 10:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Eschoryii. I have often had that problem with the source editor: it is clearly a bug, but I haven't looked to see if anybody has reported it (I guess they must have, but a quick search of WP:VPT didn't seem to show anything). I just ignore it, and work round it. --ColinFine (talk) 10:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and quick response. I completed the plot summary. Eschoryii (talk) 14:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

List of postage stamps of Pakistan

List of postage stamps of Pakistan appears on the list of April Articles Requiring a Copy Edit list at the Community Portal. April and several other months are being "cleaned up" by a GOCE backlog blitz. I am in the process of editing this article, however, there is no "Copy Edit" tag on the article that I can find. I'm not sure how to "remove" it from this list in this case. Normally, once the "Copy Edit" tag is removed it "disappears" from the list. Thanks, Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

The one which is on the Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit from April 2019 list is List of postage stamps of Pakistan from 1967 to 1976, which does have the CE tag. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Found it, thanks!! Twofingered Typist (talk) 14:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Changing UK/US spelling in quotations

This edit changed "normalising" to "normalizing" - but note that it happened within a WP:QUOTE. I find this to be a tampering of what was actually said, albeit a very minor one. Does this violate any established Wikipedia policy? Otherwise, is this kind of edits normally allowed? (Please ping me when replying) —Srid^🍁 14:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

It's worth following the link to the ref, where you can see that "z" was used. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Sridc to the above reply, and while I am here, WP:ENGVAR is the operating guideline and mentions explicitly to keep the original spelling. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Also the use of "z" is NOT specifically a US spelling. It is an alternative spelling in the UK and is in fact the spelling recommended by the Oxford Dictionary.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Google translate

Can you allow google translate because Traditional Chinese is too short or no Traditional Chinese page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kikiwong0818 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

The guideline is "Avoid machine translations". --David Biddulph (talk) 14:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Secueity restriction

Please undo the security certificate requirement. An encyclopedia should be easy access.

Those of us on old browsers are not always able to upgrade the browser easily.

Why make it so hard to get info?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.12.190 (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation which decided in 2015 to only use https.[1] I read this help desk daily and don't recall another complaint. Which browser and version are you using? Are you unable to access all https sites? That's a large part of the Internet. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

First of all, please note that this is just what I think is going on from what I know about security certificate. We require a certificate to make sure that the data being sent back and forth will not be intercepted and changed. This is done for your safety, you can override this in the same way you did to post this question. There might be someone else who could answer better, but i hope this answered your question. LakesideMiners^{Come Talk To Me!} 17:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

• Obviously, if you could post here, you managed to work it out somehow.

If it was possible to access Wikipedia via HTTP, it would be possible (for instance) for the Chinese government to alter how pages pertaining to the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests appear.

Is it a price worth paying to maintain HTTP compatibility? From a quick search it seems that Firefox and Google Chrome have been supporting HTTPS since at least 2011. I doubt the other browsers (Safari, Opera, IE) were behind by much. Browsers without HTTPS support are not "old", they are ancient, and dangerous to use because of unpatched vulnerabilities. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Italic title

Minor coding issue: I cannot figure out why the page title for Aleluya (En La Tierra) is half in italics and half not. I tried the "Italic title" template but it did not work. That is the full title of the album and it should all be in italics. Thanks. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:17, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Interesting question. The Infobox album should italize it automatically. I will be interested to see if someone can tell us why it is not working fully in this case. I even tried italic_title=force and no luck. RudolfRed (talk) 20:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I did not consider a possible problem with the infobox. If that is the issue, I have also inquired at Template talk:Infobox album. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done An editor named PrimeHunter has fixed it. Not sure why it didn't happen automatically, but all is well. Thanks. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

It was fixed with {{Italic title|all=yes}} combined with |italic_title=no in the infobox to avoid a clash.[2] {{Italic title}} and infoboxes which add italics assume by default that text in parentheses is disambiguation, e.g. "(album)", and should not have italics. This is probably right more than 99% of the time. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Just the search hastemplate:"Infobox album" intitle:album gives 55000 hits where nearly all would be wrong if the whole title had italics. Man, we have a lot of album articles with disambiguation. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I suspected something involving parentheses and disambiguation but my technical knowledge of template operations is pretty weak. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 22:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Do libraries have any special notability rules? What notability requirements apply to them?

Mulling over the idea of a draft on my local library, making absolutely sure it'd actually be notable for wikipedia. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 21:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Apart from GNG, WP:NORG and/or WP:NBUILD could apply. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Hawaii Dams list incomplete request for more information

Hello, the link below has more information about Hawaii Dams. found the link by googling: LIST OF DAMS AND RESERVOIRS IN HAWAII Report to Legislature https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/EN16-Dam-Safety-Rpt-FY15.pdf

huge cryptic list of dams

Dams in Honolulu County State ID Dam Name Type of Inspection Date OA-0001 Nuuanu Dam No. 4 Visual Dam Safety 13-Nov-14 OA-0021 Kemoo 5 Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 28-Jan-15 OA-0124 Kaneohe Dam Visual Dam Safety 24-Nov-14 OA-0129 Waimanalo Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 7-Aug-14 OA-0149 Maunaolu Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 14-Nov-14 Dams in Maui County State ID Dam Name Type of Inspection Date MA-0046 Waikamoi Dam No. 2 Visual Dam Safety 18-Nov-14 MA-0047 Piiholo Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 19-Nov-14 MA-0048 Olinda Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 18-Nov-14 MA-0054 Horner Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 29-Oct-14 MA-0056 Hanakaoo Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 29-Oct-14 MA-0057 Kahoma Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 12-Jun-15 MA-0058 Honokowai Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 24-Oct-14 MA-0059 Reservoir 140 Visual Dam Safety 24-Oct-14 MA-0070 HC&S Reservoir 20 Visual Dam Safety 29-Jun-15 MA-0072 HC&S Reservoir 22 Visual Dam Safety 30-Jun-15 MA-0075 HC&S Reservoir 30 Visual Dam Safety 30-Jun-15 MA-0076 HC&S Reservoir 33 Visual Dam Safety 29-Jun-15 9 State ID Dam Name Type of Inspection Date MA-0077 HC&S Reservoir 40 Visual Dam Safety 29-Jun-15 MA-0078 HC&S Reservoir 42 Visual Dam Safety 19-May-15 MA-0079 HC&S Reservoir 52 Visual Dam Safety 28-Apr-15 MA-0082 HC&S Reservoir 70 Visual Dam Safety 24-Mar-15 MA-0083 HC&S Reservoir 73 Visual Dam Safety 25-Mar-15 MA-0084 HC&S Reservoir 74 Visual Dam Safety 25-Mar-15 MA-0085 HC&S Reservoir 80 Visual Dam Safety 28-Apr-15 MA-0086 HC&S Reservoir 81 Visual Dam Safety 28-Apr-15 MA-0087 HC&S Reservoir 82 Visual Dam Safety 29-Apr-15 MA-0088 HC&S Reservoir 84 Visual Dam Safety 29-Apr-15 MA-0089 HC&S Reservoir 90 Visual Dam Safety 24-Mar-15 MA-0090 HC&S Reservoir 92 Visual Dam Safety 24-Mar-15 MA-0091 Peahi Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 21-Jan-15 MA-0092 Papaaea Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 21-Jan-15 MA-0093 Kaupakalua Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 4-Dec-14 MA-0094 Kapalaalaea Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 21-Jan-15 MA-0095 Haiku Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 4-Dec-14 MA-0096 Pauwela Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 4-Dec-14 MA-0125 Happy Valley Flood Prevention Visual Dam Safety 21-Aug-14 MA-0126 Kahana Nui Dam Visual Dam Safety 12-Sep-14 MA-0127 Napili 4-5 Desilting Basin Visual Dam Safety 21-Aug-14 MA-0128 Napili 2-3 Desilting Basiin Visual Dam Safety 12-Sep-14 MA-0130 Honokowai Structure #8 Visual Dam Safety 12-Sep-14 MA-0132 Upper Field 14 Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 24-Oct-14 MA-0133 Puu Koa Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 23-Oct-14 MA-0134 Kaopala Basin Visual Dam Safety 12-Sep-14 MA-0138 Kahakapao Reservoirs Visual Dam Safety 18-Nov-14 MA-0139 Maui Field 290 Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 23-Oct-14 MA-0140 Ukumehame Reservoirs Visual Dam Safety 29-Jun-15 MA-0141 Kehalani Offsite Retention Basin Visual Dam Safety 2-Apr-15 MA-0142 Middle Field 14 Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 24-Oct-14 MA-0143 Kaili Ili Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 23-Oct-14 MA-0144 Mahinahina Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 19-Nov-14 MA-0150 Wailuku Water Reservoir 6 Visual Dam Safety 12-Jun-15 MA-0151 Wailuku Water Reservoir 10 Visual Dam Safety 19-May-15 MA-0152 Waikamoi Reservoirs Visual Dam Safety 18-Nov-14 MA-0153 Plantation Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 24-Oct-14 MO-0041 Kualapuu Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 24-Feb-15 10 Dams in Hawaii County State ID Dam Name Type of Inspection Date HA-0043 Puukapu Watershed Retarding Dam R-1 Visual Dam Safety 6-Nov-14 HA-0051 Hawi No. 5 Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 6-Nov-14 Dams in Kauai County State ID Dam Name Type of Inspection Date KA-0010 Waiakalua Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 7-Apr-15 KA-0013 Upper Kapahi Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 2-Jul-14 KA-0024 Kalihiwai Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 13-Jan-15 KA-0061 Lower Kapahi Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 2-Jul-14 KA-0063 Aahoaka Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 13-Jan-15 KA-0098 Alexander Visual Dam Safety 2-Jun-15 KA-0101 Hukiwai Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 31-Mar-15 KA-0102 Ioleau Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 31-Mar-15 KA-0103 Aepo Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 17-Sep-14 KA-0104 Huinawai Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 17-Sep-14 KA-0106 Kumano Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 1-Oct-14 KA-0107 Puu O Hewa Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 27-May-15 KA-0108 Kaupale Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 15-Oct-14 KA-0110 Aepoalua Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 17-Sep-14 KA-0111 Aepoekolu Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 1-Oct-14 KA-0112 Aepoeha Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 1-Oct-14 KA-0113 Omao Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 15-Oct-14 KA-0114 Piwai Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 15-Oct-14 KA-0115 Pia Mill Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 27-May-15 KA-0119 Mauka Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 27-May-15 KA-0145 Kauai Lagoons Visual Dam Safety 5-May-15 KA-0146 Halaula Reservoir Visual Dam Safety 12-Mar-25 KA-0155 Pond No. 1 at Kauai Ranch Visual Dam Safety 12-Mar-25 Other Inspections Conducted Statewide State ID Dam Name Type of Inspection Date KA-0012 Kapaia Reservoir Informal - UHSLC Gage 7-Apr-15 KA-0024 Kalihiwai Reservoir Informal - UHSLC Gage 7-Apr-15 KA-0060 Wailua Reservoir Informal - UHSLC Gage 7-Apr-15 KA-0099 Waita Reservoir Informal - UHSLC Gage 7-Apr-15 MA-0074 HC&S Reservoir 24 Informal - UHSLC Gage 18-Feb-15 MA-0093 Kaupakalua Reservoir Informal - UHSLC Gage 18-Feb-15 11 State ID Dam Name Type of Inspection Date KA-0010 Waiakalua Reservoir Informal - UHSLC 25-Jun-15 KA-0105 Elima Reservoir Informal - Reservoir Drained 31-Mar-15 HA-0040 Waikoloa Reservoir No. 1 Informal - Post Earthquake 26-Aug-14 HA-0042 Waimea 60 MG Reservoir Informal - Post Earthquake 25-Aug-14 HA-0051 Hawi No. 5 Reservoir Informal - Post Earthquake 25-Aug-14 HA-0122 Waikoloa Reservoir No. 2 Informal - Post Earthquake 26-Aug-14 HA-0123 Puu Pulehu Reservoir Informal - Post Earthquake 25-Aug-14 HA-0131 Paauilo Reservoir Informal - Post Earthquake 25-Aug-14 HA-0136 Waikoloa Reservoir No. 3 Informal - Post Earthquake 26-Aug-14 HA-0147 Punawai Reservoir Informal - Post Earthquake 25-Aug-14 MA-0048 Olinda Reservoir Informal - Polyurea Liner 9-Dec-14 MA-0152 Waikamoi Reservoirs Informal - Polypropolene Liner 9-Dec-14 MA-0095 Haiku Reservoir Informal - Outlet Piping 2-Apr-15 KA-0024 Kalihiwai Reservoir Informal - Outlet Gate Repairs 25-Jun-15 UKA-1019 Hanini Resevoir Informal - Jurisdictional size 17-Sep-14 MA-0074 HC&S Reservoir 24 Informal - EAP Training 20-Apr-15 OA-0017 Wahiawa Dam Informal - EAP Training 22-Apr-15 MA-0141 Kehalani Offsite Detention Basin Informal - Channel 21-Aug-14 MA-0095 Haiku Reservoir Informal - Annular Seepage - NOD 9-Dec-14 KA-0013 Upper Kapahi Reservoir Construction 27-May-15 KA-0013 Upper Kapahi Reservoir Construction 2-Jun-15 KA-0013 Upper Kapahi Reservoir Construction 25-Jun-15 KA-0044 Ahukini Reservoir Construction 1-Oct-14

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.135.26 (talk) 23:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

If this is intended as input for an existing article, please go to that article's talk page to discuss. If you are proposing a new article, please read WP:YFA, and then come back here if you have a question. -Arch dude (talk) 23:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)