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October 25

Need help reading and understanding a protection log

I am having trouble figuring out the protection log for NATO phonetic alphabet. I am pretty sure that the problem is that I am either looking in the wrong place or not understanding what I am reading, not any mistake by the protecting admin.

According to [1] the page was semi-protected for 18 months and also pending-changes protected indefinitely.

But [2] only shows the semi-protection, not the EC. and the page only shows that WP:SILVERLOCK icon, not the WP:WHITELOCK icon. In this case, does PC automatically get applied when semi expires?

Where would I look to find a log showing indefinite EC protection being applied? --Guy Macon (talk) 01:23, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: Pending changes is an entirely separate system from standard protection, and both can be applied at the same time. NATO phonetic alphabet is currently both pending-changes protected (indefinitely) and semi-protected (temporarily). Of course, pending changes protection does nothing now, because any edit it would defer is already blocked by semi-protection, but it is technically still there. The reason you can't see the pending changes protection is because pending changes is logged in a separate log ([3]), and the reason that there is no pending-changes lock is that Module:Protection banner does not display that lock when the page is edit-protected in addition. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:50, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! One could only have hoped that when our crack software development team had added PC they would have also updated the protection log link on every page to bring up that log. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --Guy Macon (talk) 03:31, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Signature

Hello, when I try to talk with the editor from my Article Talk page, he said that my Signature not displaying properly, and he gave me suggestion to ask you for Help. After any text in my reply I put 4 ~ (as signature) and save my reply. I can see my name there, but editor said that the display of Signature is not display correctly. Would you verify what's wrong? Thanks, Toreeva 02:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Well somehow you have unlinked your signature. To fix that, you need to go into your preferences (top of the page on the right), scroll to signature, and make sure that it includes [[User:Toreeva|Toreeva]]. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 05:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

@Toreeva: The easiest way to get a valid signature is to have no checkmark at "Treat the above as wiki markup" at Special:Preferences. Then the "Signature" field can be blank, or contain a chosen nickname different from your username. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:51, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

• I added Toreeva but should I see also (talk) when I signed?Toreeva 14:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

• The easiest way of getting a compliant signature is to undo your failed attempt to customise it. Having removed the checkmark from the "Treat the above as wiki markup", remove everything from the adjacent customising box. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Princess Beatrice of York

Reference/citation 30 should have the page number as page number 20. Please fix up as it is in red. Please leave in quote. Thanks 175.33.83.65 (talk) 04:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

You have not put the '=' between the word page and '20'. Please add this yourself. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Data on sitewide page traffic on specific dates

Hello, I'm trying to research which pages witnessed significant changes in traffic around certain dates. I know how to view page stats of specific pages, but I'm trying to do the reverse: identify which pages saw traffic changes. Is there any way to do this? Specifically, I am trying to see which articles had the steepest declines in traffic between 22 April and 24 April, 2019. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.3.34.111 (talk) 07:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3a80:a4b:35a2:0:4a:91d5:ee01 (talk) 10:43, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Also the only edit from IP address used. Please provide a link to page where help needed. Eagleash (talk) 11:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

How to get an article approved in Sandbox?

Hi, is it possible to have the article that I am currently working on reviewed, and approved by Wikipedia:Notability (people) or Wikipedia:Notability (music) while it is in my sandbox, considering I have strong set of sources to back up the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjnoah (talk • contribs) 12:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Alexjnoah, your article is not ready to be reviewed yet. It has only one WP:Reliable source and this source has only a brief mention of the subject's guitar riff. IMDB is not a reliable source. You will need to find more independent sources that discuss the subject in detail before your draft can be approved. Where is your "strong set of sources"? You also have some tidying to do, removing extraneous text. Dbfirs 12:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, let me clarify here. As I said earlier, I am working on the article, learning the proper coding, etc... And I am not ready to publish the article yet, it's still in the template mode, and I have a lot to write, and I did not ask for a review of my sandbox at this moment, I wanted to know if it's possible to have the article reviewed while it is in my sandbox. And yes, I do have strong set of sources for this article that I have yet to cite, and I will be doing that as I make progress, so, can you please answer my initial question? Thanks! --Alexjnoah (talk) 13:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Also, can you please clarify as to why IMDb is not a reliable source? And are Wikipedia articles considered as a reliable source if I cite them? And is an artist's official website considered a reliable source? --Alexjnoah (talk) 13:51, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

See WP:Citing IMDb and WP:CIRCULAR. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

I see, how about using IMDb for citing an artist's bio, I read the article, and it does not say anything about biographies, or credits, I think those can be used as a reference source, right? --Alexjnoah (talk) 14:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Alexjnoah: if you want the draft to be accepted as a Wikipedia article, you will need to establish, by citing reliable independent published sources with significant discussion of the subject, that they are notable. You claim to "have strong set of sources", but your subsequent question shows that you don't understand Wikipedia's policy on sources. What it says in IMDB, in Wikipedia, and on the artist's own web site, will do nothing to help establish notability. Maproom (talk) 16:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Alexjnoah When you think the draft in your sandbox is in a state where you are ready to have it reviewed for compliance with the subject-specific notability guidelines mentioned above, put {{subst:submit}} at the top and someone will come along and review it. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Alright, thank you so much for all the help, folks, and again I do have the sources to back this article, and I am not talking about IMDb, just to be clear. I am in the process of formatting the article, once it's ready, I will do as mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjnoah (talk • contribs) 17:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

I have been accused of disruptive editing by two editors. Diffs:1 and 2. Can another editor take a look at the circumstances regarding this and determine whether I was disruptive editing. I'm asking this because I have been blocked before for vandalism. This is obviously not a vandalism-related issue and I heard that disruptive editing can lead to a block I fear that I'm on that path. Please ping me in your response. Thank you, Interstellarity (talk) 17:05, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, requesting a move just eight days after an identical request has been voted down is disruptive. It wastes other editors' time and achieves nothing. Maproom (talk) 17:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Maproom, What should I do instead? Interstellarity (talk) 18:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Not request the move? --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Floquenbeam, I'm sorry, but I'm still confused. Could you reword that for me please? Interstellarity (talk) 18:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Do you mean what should you have done instead? You should have avoided requesting the move again. Do you mean what should you do in similar circumstances in the future? You should avoid making a similar redundant move request. Do you mean what should you do now to deal with the unresolved issue? You should accept the fact that sometimes things are going to be unresolved, and move on. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Floquenbeam, Thanks, that helps a lot. I will be more careful in the future. Interstellarity (talk) 19:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Need to create a Wikipedia page

Hi

I’m an public figure and need you to help me to create an Wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.234.39.56 (talk) 23:51, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. Thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 00:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

(EC) Wikipedia has articles, not pages. You will need to review the special definition of a notable person(there are also more specific criteria for certain careers) to see if you meet them. If you do, you can then visit Requested Articles to make a request, but it will not be done quickly as this is a volunteer effort. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not social media for people to tell the world about themselves. Wikipedia is only interested in what independent sources state about article subjects, and has no interest in what someone wants to say about themselves. Please also read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 00:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)