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September 15

Adding an image

Hi, so I've tried multiple times to add an image to a wikipedia page "Shilpi Somaya Gowda" and it is a Wikipedia page about me, and I have the rights the image. However, it keeps getting removed. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bishopsmg (talk • contribs) 01:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Bishopsmg. The images you have attempted to upload were not uploaded correctly. Example: "Removing Shilpi_Somaya_Gowda_headshot.png, it has been deleted from Commons by Túrelio because: Copyright violation: picture exists here: https://whistlerwritersfest.com/gowda-s" Example: "Removing SSG_6.2019.jpg, it has been deleted from Commons by Túrelio because: Copyright violation: external source, no license, no permission" Please read Wikipedia:Uploading images.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Bishopsmg: The photographer owns the copyright, not the image subject. - FlightTime (open channel) 02:35, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Bishopsmg. The image may only be used if the copyright owner (who is probably not you) explicitly releases it under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which will allow anybody to reuse it for any purpose: see donating copyright materials. Furthermore, please read conflict of interest and Autobiography for why it is inappropriate for you to be editing the Wikipedia article about yourself. --ColinFine (talk) 10:13, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Trying to make language template for Western Armenian

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Hi, guys! I know Template:Lang-hy exists, but I'd like to make one for Template:Lang-hyw (Western Armenian). However I get a lua error if I simply port the code from one to another. How do I get a Western Armenian one?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 09:55, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

What lua error? I did a simple experiment of copying the content of {{lang-hy}} to {{lang-hyw}} and then previewed my sandbox with that and did not get a lua error. Because I wrote Module:Lang, if you are seeing lua errors, I want to know about them so that they can be fixed if necessary.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:04, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I inputted the following code: <includeonly>{{#invoke:lang|lang_xx_inherit |code=hyw }}</includeonly><noinclude> {{Documentation|Template:Lang-x/doc}} [[Category:Indo-European multilingual support templates|Lang-hyw]] </noinclude>

The lua error I get is: "Lua error in Module:Lua_banner at line 90: attempt to index field 'edit' (a nil value)."

The only changes I made were "hy" -> "hyw" WhisperToMe (talk) 10:24, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Module:Lua banner is not part of Module:Lang. What editor are you using? Is it that abomination that is ve? Try again and save the results. Do you still see the error?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I use the regular source code editor on the webpage, using a laptop. Anyway I saved the page to Template:Lang-hyw. I still see an error... WhisperToMe (talk) 10:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I just purged the page; now no error so no explanation for its existence.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

The template worked the whole time. The error message was displayed in the documentation where {{Lang-x/doc}} calls {{Lua}} which calls Module:Lua banner. It tries to read the page itself but if the page does not exist then it produces the error. This can apparently affect both preview before the page exists and the original save which creates the page. When the page is later purged it does exist at the time and there is no problem. Previewing {{Lua}} alone on a non-existing template page gives the same error. I will report it at Template talk:Lua. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Draft

Dear community, I ask you to help transfer the page from the draft section to the main space of English Wikipedia. Thank you very much. This is a link to the page: Draft:Nicolai Ivanovich Kravchenko — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvers2 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Not yet ready for mainspace. The most obvious problems are that there are no references and no wikilinks to other articles. I suggest that you read the advice at WP:Your first article and WP:Tutorial. I have taken the liberty of changing the link in your question from a URL to a wikilink. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Use of thumbnails of copyrighted photos on Wikipedia

Greetings - -

I understand we can not include copyrighted photos in Wikipedia pages without permission.

My question is: can we include thumbnails of copyrighted photos in Wikipedia pages. This is already been deemed "legal" under "fair use" guidelines and is implemented legally on MANY online sites e.g. Google, Yahoo, etc. [ See "Are thumbnails fair use?" at https://photocopyrightlaw.com/are-thumbnails-fair-use/ ].

Seems like this should be acceptable for Wikipedia.

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jau53 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 15 September 2019 (UTC) 

@Jau53: The rules on Wikipedia are stricter than fair use. See WP:NFCC for the guidelines. RudolfRed (talk) 17:59, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

English language

Hi. It would be nice if someone could tell me if these translations have to be sourced:

• English: sing, sang, sung; Low German: singen, sung, sungen; Dutch: zingen, zong, gezongen; German: singen, sang, gesungen (strong verb)

English: laugh, laughed, laughed; Low German: lachen, lachte, lacht; Dutch: lachen, lachte, gelachen; German: lachen, lachte, gelacht (weak verb)

• English: I dream, he dreams; Low German: ik drööm, he dröömt; Dutch: ik droom, hij droomt; German: ich träume, er träumt (non-modal verb)

English: I shall, he shall; Low German: ik schall, he schall; Dutch: ik zal, hij zal; German: ich soll, er soll (modal verb)

• English: foot; Low German: Foot; Dutch: voet; German: Fuß; Norwegian and Swedish: fot ("f" and "v" from Proto-Indo-European "p" through Grimm's law)

Latin: pes; Greek: πόδι (pódi); Russian: под (pod); Sanskrit: पद् (pád)

• English: cheese, church; West Frisian: tsiis, tsjerke; ("ch" and "ts" from palatalization)

Low German: Keese, Kark; Dutch: kaas, kerk; German: Käse, Kirche ("k" without palatalization)ArchitectMan (talk) 17:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@ArchitectMan: in what context? on Wictionary, you need sources. Here, any assertion that is challenged must be sourced or removed, so I think a "rule of reason" applies. If you see something that is suspect, then either source it, challenge it with a {{fact}} template, or remove it. But randomly doing this to all occurances in all articles would in my opinion be disruptive for most readers. -Arch dude (talk) 19:18, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

The context is presumably what can be seen in the history of English language? --David Biddulph (talk) 20:00, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes :-) There were grammar examples for several years and i enhanced them with Low German, and with the modal/non-modal verbs example. I also highlighted some letters. The examples illustrated and related to the text right above them.ArchitectMan (talk) 21:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

In my opinino they should be sourced in this context. This is basically the subject of the article. Probably not an explicit separate reference for each and every variant of each and every word, but surely we need references. -Arch dude (talk) 03:54, 16 September 2019 (UTC)