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Ax09tongo

Wikipedia is a puzzle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ax09tongo78 (talk • contribs)

@Ax09tongo78: This is your third post asserting that Wikipedia is a puzzle. Please either explain how we can help you understand it better - or just stop posting pointless remarks. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Based on [1] it may be a reference to our logo. See Wikipedia logo and Wikipedia:Wikipedia logos#The third logo (the puzzle ball). PrimeHunter (talk) 01:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Vertical lines in Wikipedia charts

Hi, I am trying to plot a line graph using this Template:Graph:Chart. Is there a way to draw vertical and horizontal lines(Not the grids) parallel to axes? I already asked about this in Wikipedia:Teahouse and Template talk:Graph:Chart, didn't get anything from there. My last option is plot in python and upload a PNG. Timbaaa (talk) 02:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Image non-free fair use

I wrote an article about the game I'm playing (haven't uploaded it yet), but got stuck at the image adding part. Can I upload the game's icon (screenshots too maybe?) under non-free use? If I post it under fair use non-free content, will everyone be able to see the article I upload? And where I can find the full text of the license with a ban on any changes to the uploaded materials? The images I want to use are on the game's website, so it should be fine if I just credit it right?

You can write an article about any subject that is notable. Notability requires that the subject has been described, not just mentioned, in several reliable sources (WP:RS). This is really easy to get wrong: see Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability). If you cannot establish notability, your article will deleted. Everything in your article must come from reliable sources. The article cannot include observations that you have made during game play, as that would be original research, and that's a no-no. See WP:OR. The use of non-free images in highly restricted: please see Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. Each image must meet all ten(!) of the requirements. There is no license and therefore no "full text". The concept of fair use is the use of copyrighted material without the need for any permission or license of the copyright holder under these highly restricted circumstances. -Arch dude (talk) 06:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello this's avinav yadav i want to request plz publish my page on wikipedia because Google or my cricketing carrier show on Google so please publish my page

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Avinav yadavPersonal informationFull nameAvinav yadavBorn16 March 2004 (age 16) Madar,siraha-16, NepalNicknameAvi [1]Height5 ft 5 in (1.65 m)BattingRight-handedBowlingSlow Right-arm off-breakRoleAll-rounder

Source: [1], 28 January 2019

Avinav yadav (born 16 march 2004) is an Nepalese cricketer

.[1] He made his debut for Kathmandu goldens in the 2019 Dhangadhi Premier League (DPL) 11 February 2019.

^ Cite error: The named reference cinfo was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Last edited 18 days ago by Avinav yadav

Content is available under CC BY-SA 3.0 unless otherwise noted.

Terms of UsePrivacyDesktop — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avinav_kumar_yadav (talk • contribs)

@Avinav kumar yadav: There needs to be at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically about you but not written by you, anyone you work with, or anyone you pay to write. Without those, there can be no article. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Avinav_kumar_yadav. While it is true that many people think that Wikipedia is an appropriate place to promote their career, that is not a purpose of Wikipedia, and people who try to use it that way often have an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Please look at what Wikipedia is not and An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Wiki taking long time to approve

Hello!

I am trying to figure why it is taking a long time to get my wiki approved. The wiki in question is Matthew_Bridgham_(composer)

Thanks for your help!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Compoczar (talk • contribs)

I presume this is regarding Draft:Matthew Bridgham (composer) going live. Anyway, in answer to your question: times vary, especially on a volunteer project. El_C 06:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Two comments.

You could (and probably should) aim for the article to be titled "Matthew Bridgham". Wikipedia has no article on anyone else of that name, so the disambiguatory "(composer)" is unnecessary.

When a reviewer chooses to review your draft, they will be looking for several references to reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. I've looked at the first five sources cited in the draft, and they all fail the "in-depth discussion" bit. (The first does so quite amusungly, saying "I don't know about Bridgham, having heard only "Avon Yard," but Pärt is definitely a hedgehog.") In principle there's no harm including such sources, but they make things harder for a reviewer. If you're keen for the draft to be reviewed soon, I recommend ensuring that there are some some references that establish that the subject is notable, and then removing most of the others, to make it easy for a reviewer to find the good ones. (You can always put the hedgehog reference back in later, once the article has been accepted.) Maproom (talk) 07:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Compoczar: The draft has never been submitted for review. I have added a box with a submit button you can click. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Auto-Signature?

Why in God's name have you made something you want done consistently optional? I see nothing in my prefs and it's frankly irritating.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhrussell401 (talk • contribs)

Because we don't want signatures in articles, and there are instances where not all edits to signed areas need to be signed or resigned. It's literally four presses of a single character: ~~~~. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Is it like, literally? Like totally? Technology has far surpassed the point that a system can automatically recognize a logged-in user. Like literally like reddit or like literally my doctor or like literally anything I log into. I don't have to edit anything or I can like do it like literally anonymously.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhrussell401 (talk • contribs)

You can automatically add your signature on talk pages by adding {{YesAutosign}} to your user page. I believe there used to be a preference setting for this but I can no longer find it.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Jhrussell401: {{YesAutosign}} merely means you want a bot to sign for you later if you forget it. You should still sign your edits. There has been a lot of work on another discussion system without manual signatures but it's unpopular and not used in the English Wikipedia. Most users have a signature button above and/or below the edit area. It just inserts ~~~~. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

For anyone who wants a longer answer: all MediaWiki pages are just a bunch of text. This is what shows up when you edit a page if you're using the "wikitext" editor. The MediaWiki software doesn't "know" what's a "discussion" and what isn't. All it "sees" is a bunch of text. As mentioned, there's been some work on a bulletin board-style software extension for "replacing" discussion pages, but numerous editors feel it has deficiencies and currently isn't a superior replacement for the status quo. The major problem is editors use "discussion pages" in all sorts of complex ways. If the software just started tacking on signature lines every time someone saved an edit, it would make a huge mess. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 23:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

What is the word for "Spirit" and "Spirituality" in arabic Quoran?

Discussion not appropriate to the Help Desk, by blocked IP

I wrote a topic under “Talk Page of Spirituality” in order to add some facts based on logic, evidences & Source. I have given Source, Link, Logic & Evidence as per Wikipedia policies. But Scholars failed to provide their Source of Information & hence they decided to delete my Post. My post was deleted without giving any chance to do some corrections. If I wrote anything wrong, then I could have corrected it without arguments. Link of the talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spirituality Link of my edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Spirituality&action=edit&section=6 The topic was Spirituality. I was punished because I asked for reference about Spirituality in Quran. Is it my fault if there is no word for “Spirituality” in Quran? If there is no word for “Rocket” in Quran will you punish “Neil Armstrong”? Quran 17:85 Actually says this: And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind has not been given of knowledge except a little." In case if they delete this link/URL, I request you to take Quran from library & read it exactly. Today this link is active. Source: https://quran.com/17/85 ﷽ وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُمْ مِنَقليل My Original Post is here: - Please tell me where am I wrong? I will be thankful; In Quran I didn't find any word for spirit. Faith means belief. Please note that faith & spirituality have entirely different meanings. Spirit means Soul. Without having faith in Soul/spirit; how can there be spirituality? Spirit comes first then comes the word Spirituality; Which means "aims to recover the original shape (ie soul) of man". Source 1: Spirituality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality Source 2: Soul/Spirit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ātman_(Hinduism) In Sufism, rūḥ (Arabic: روح‎; plural arwah) is a person's immortal, essential self — pneuma, i.e. the "spirit" or "soul". The Quran itself does not describe rūḥ as the immortal self. Nevertheless, in some contexts, it animates inanimate matter. Further, it appears to be a metaphorical being, such as an angel. Thus it is proved that Ruh is not Soul & definitely not Spirituality. Source 3: Ruh & Sufism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rūḥ Ātman (/ˈɑːtmən/; Sanskrit: आत्मन्) is a Sanskrit word that means inner self, spirit, or soul. {Please read Source 2}. Soul/Spirit is the principle of life. the individual self, known after enlightenment. Spirituality is the process for gaining Enlightenment & Liberation called as Nirvana/Moksha. Spirituality is a philosophy & word taken from Indian traditions. The term meditation, Spirituality was introduced as a translation [See source 6; topic=Etymology] for Eastern spiritual practices, Now a days since world is a global village, People from middle east are adopting it wilfully although its not mentioned in their holy text. Meditation & yoga are the path towards enlightenment and self realization also called as spirituality. Source 4: Nirvana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana Source 5: Moksha: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha Source 6: Meditation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation Meditation may be used with the aim of reducing stress, anxiety, and increasing peace, perception, self-concept (i.e. spirituality), and well-being. Meditation is under research to define its possible health (psychological, neurological, and cardiovascular) and other effects. BUT Meditation, spirituality & Soul is not discussed in Quran. The concept of an immaterial soul separate from and surviving the body is common today but according to modern scholars, it was not found in ancient Islamic beliefs. The word "nephesh never" means an "immortal soul" or an incorporeal part of the human being "that can survive death of the body" as the "spirit" of dead. The modern scholarly consensus holds that the canonical teaching of Quran made no reference to an immortal soul independent of the body. A wide range of scholarly reference works consistently represent this view. TERMINOLOGIES used in Quran & their Meanings : Jihad: Jihad (English: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ jihād [dʒɪˈhaːd]) is an Arabic word which literally means striving or struggling, especially with a praiseworthy aim. Source 7: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad. 5 pillars of Islam : First pillar: Shahada (profession of faith), Second Pillar: Salat (Prayer), Third Pillar: Zakat (Almsgiving), Fourth Pillar: Sawm (Fasting), Fifth Pillar: Hajj (Pilgrimage). Source 8 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam Since Jihad, 5 pillars of Islam, Sufism is not spirituality. They are all about faith & religion. Why then people mistakenly use the word spirituality instead of using word faith & belief? Please don't mix words (or use misnomers) only to satisfy & appease scholars. Does Islam accepts existence of Soul/Spirit? So please explain why these days, Muslims are using word Spiritual? Is there any chapter in Quran which discusses these things? Can anybody please give some citations/Source from Quran itself? It should be exactly written in Arabic language & possess same meaning to spirituality. If there is no chapter on soul, spirituality, Enlightenment in Islam then please write straight that; "There is no such thing called as spirituality". The key here is; "Does Islam accepts existence of Soul/Spirit?". I personally feel the topic is important to add to the page, therefore please don't delete this. Is there any hesitation in speaking truth? Ps: Sources of information can be found as mentioned above. Deletion of this talk won't change history/facts. Facts will come out again & again in books, literature & historical monuments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.5.240.38 (talk • contribs) 2020-04-19T10:52:10 (UTC) The spirit is mentioned in the Quran 17:85. Its called rūḥ.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 10:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC) I wanted Scholars to give Quote from Quran but they are giving me Quote from Sufism that too with a misnomer. Please allow me to prove my point; I have given some source & evidence but scholars have not provided me any single Quote from Quran. This is not my fault; if it’s not present in Quran.‘? If there is no word for “Rocket” in Quran will you punish “Neil Armstrong”? 1) In Sufism, rūḥ (Arabic: روح‎; plural arwah) is a person's immortal, essential self — pneuma, i.e. the "spirit" or "soul". The Quran itself does not describe rūḥ as the immortal self. Nevertheless, in some contexts, it animates inanimate matter. Further, it appears to be a metaphorical being, such as an angel. Thus it is proved that Ruh is not Soul & definitely not Spirituality. Q1 : I request you Kindly prove that I am wrong with evidence & Source. Source 9: Ruh & Sufism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rūḥ Quran 17:85 Actually says this: And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind has not been given of knowledge except a little." In case if they delete this link/URL, I request you to take Quran from library & read it exactly. Today this link is active. Source: https://quran.com/17/85 ﷽ وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي وَمَا أُوتِيتُمْ مِنَقليل 2) Sufism (Persian: صوفی گری‎), or Taṣawwuf (Arabic: التَّصَوُّف‎) is considered a branch of Gnosticism. Source 10: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism 3) Sufism is not even considered true Islam by Turkey, Pakistan and many other countries. Therefore, I request you to provide direct Quote from Quran. This is my repeated polite request to provide direct link from Quran. Since Quran is the only authentic holy book ; Source 11: Anti Sufism in Islamic countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Sufis

Hello, IP user. I'm afraid that this is not the appropriate place for this discussion.

• This page is for questions about how to edit Wikipedia articles.
• If you want to raise an issue about improving a particular article in Wikipedia, please post it on that article's talk page.
• If you have a question about something, which can potentially be answered from published references, please post it on the appropriate section of the Wikipedia reference desk

But I'm afraid that there is nowhere in Wikipedia where it is appropriate to begin a discussion about a topic, other than a discussion about how to improve an article relating to the topic. --ColinFine (talk) 10:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes you are right "there is nowhere in Wikipedia where it is appropriate to begin a discussion about a topic". If I write at talk page, they delete my post without giving valid reasons and ask me to write here at Wikipedia:Help desk (section). From "Help desk" I am told to go to reference desk. From "refrence desk", I will be told to go back to "Talk Page" and from there again to some other page...Because there is no answer to my questions & they need to coverup somehow using force. Perhaps they will block me.

protect

Hello there I hope you're fine please help me How to protect or locked word in specific section by edit page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umarabubakr (talk • contribs) 19 April 2020 13:29 (UTC)

@Umarabubakr: Hello, it is not clear exactly what your query may be. Please provide a link to any article where you are encountering difficulty. If you are asking about protecting a page from vandalism or disruptive editing, you can request this at WP:RFPP. However, please be aware that a page will not be locked to your preferred version and protection is normally only applied after ongoing disruption. If you are disputing article content, please begin a discussion at the article talk page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:49, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Umarabubakr:, a couple of bits here. There isn't a way to protect specific bits of an article - the whole article needs to be protected. We only do that in certain circumstances, such as if there is ongoing vandalism or disruptive edits by multiple individuals. You can request protection at requests for page protection. If you can provide some additional detail here, I can take a look for you, and provide some more targeted advice. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Umarabubakr. I see no evidence of vandalism in the articles you have been editing. Please be aware that page protection is not used to lock an article to be the way one person wants it to read. We decide the content of articles by consensus on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 17:27, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Linking to an archived discussion

How do I construct a link to a discussion section that got archived? An example link to one of my archived questions in the Reference Desk would be helpful. 70.95.44.93 (talk) 13:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I don't know a quick way to find an archive post - I found one of yours by searching for "Google Chrome won't load PDF" in the "archive search box" at WP:RD. But, having found it, I enter [[WP:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2020 January 30#Google Chrome Won't Load PDF|Google Chrome Won't Load PDF]], and it displays as Google Chrome Won't Load PDF. (I suspect there is a template for this, but I haven't found one). --ColinFine (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

A page needs edit (based on other Wikipedia pages) but I don't want to do it

Can someone else do it?

On the Norm Lewis page, it says he was "making musical theatre history as the first African-American actor to perform in the title role in Broadway's long-running production of Phantom of the Opera.[3]"

This is incorrect.

I was watching an interview with Mr Lewis and he himself said that Robert Guillaume was the first African American to play the Phantom. And sure enough, on the Wikipedia page for Mr. Guillaume it says "Later in his stage career, he was cast in the lead role in the Los Angeles production of The Phantom of the Opera replacing Michael Crawford.[8]" (The first to replace the actor who created the role!!!)

So as much as I adore Mr Lewis, he was not the first and did not make history. Robert Guillaume did. Can someone correct this? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c50:7a7f:ec83:491d:93aa:4cc7:45c (talk)

There is no error. Broadway theatre is 41 theatres in New York. "Broadway's long-running production of Phantom of the Opera" refers to this. The Los Angeles production is not on Broadway. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

This sort of production would be either a touring production or a regional theatre production. Rmhermen (talk) 18:03, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

When you want someone else to make an edit, you can create a new section on the article's talk page. For example, Talk:Norm Lewis is the appropriate place to propose changes for the Norm Lewis article. GoingBatty (talk) 23:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Page "Dalvi"

Dear Sir,

A user by name "AcharyaDevanand" is repeatedly removing references and information on this page "Dalvi". I am myself a "Dalvi" and we belong to a larger group of clan called "Marathas". This user "AcharyaDevanand" repeatedly removes any information and references that conveys this information.

What is the best way to deal with this kind of vandalism?

Best Regards.

Please, discuss your disagreements on the talk page of the article (dab page) first. Ruslik_Zero 16:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

AcharyaDevanand has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet. Maproom (talk) 16:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Text web ignored (help)

Can you please tell me what is the procedure to resolve this type of error Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maizbhandariya (talk • contribs) 19:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

If this is about Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai, you have two malformed citation templates. They begin something like this:

{{Cite|web|url=...

The pipe (vertical bar) begins a template parameter. These templates require a parameter name, an equal sign (=) and a value. When the equal sign is omitted, the template emits the error message that you got. Because these templates do not have a parameter named web, the fix is to remove the extraneous pipe.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Epik.com article

Dear Sirs/Madams:

I noticed with the article on Epik.com that a few sentences need to be rearranged as to following the format shown by the other registrars articles, eg, godaddy and dynadot. If you notice you put an history comment at the beginning of the article instead of in the history section like godaddy and dynadot. If you could rearrange the sentencing where you mention how many customers epik.com has instead in the intro paragraph and then mention epik's right wing stance in the history section i would greatly appreciate it. Thank you ever so much for your time in this matter. Hope you have a great day. And stay safe out there. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wess12345 (talk • contribs)

Wess12345, the right place to bring up your ideas for the article is on Talk:Epik (domain registrar). Schazjmd (talk) 22:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

How to upload an acceptable image in an edit?

I want to upload a Burgess magazine advertisement into my draft of The Burgess Battery Company. How do I do it?Wdeibel (talk) 23:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Two stages are involved here: getting the image to Wikimedia Commons, and referring to this image file in your draft. As your draft already refers to (and thus displays) Commons images (such as this one), I infer that you know how to do the second stage. As for the first, as long as the advertisement is in the public domain (as this term is legally understood; not merely as it's understood in careless conversation, journalism, etc), you may head over to Wikimedia Commons, log in, and upload the advertisement there. -- Hoary (talk) 00:15, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Wdeibel: See Wikipedia:Public_domain for the rules on if something is public domain in the US. It will depend on when it was published and if copyright was renewed and some other factors. It can be confusing, so you may want to ask at WP:MCQ. RudolfRed (talk) 00:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

However, even if it's still copyrighted under a non-free license, it may still be acceptable in an article about the company as fair use. If you're fairly sure it's not out-of-copyright, take a look at Wikipedia:Plain and simple non-free content guide. But I think you're supposed to wait until the article is moved out of the Draft: space. Once it is, see Help:Uploading images. (To reiterate, all of this is only if it's not out-of-copyright. If it is public domain, put it on Commons, as described above.) --47.146.63.87 (talk) 00:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)