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How do I find all fantasy novels that have won The Otherwise Award?

From https://webapps.stackexchange.com/q/138617/78104 :

I've used wikipedia 3.4 Searching for pages in categories to search within Category:James Tiptree Jr. Award-winning works - Wikipedia and also added the keyword fantasy. However this brings up some wrong results.

I note the info box of literary works in Wikipedia contain a genre term (see picture below from here).

I've also tried books that have won otherwise awards - Google Search but don't know how to limit it to fantasy novels.

How can I search for fantasy novels that have won the Otherwise award?

1.132.104.139 (talk) 00:46, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Click on this link, 1.132.104..139 :

→Otherwise_Award#Winners--Quisqualis (talk) 05:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] Courtesy link for those interested: Otherwise Award, formerly named the James Tiptree Jr. Award.

1.132.104.139 The problem with your query is that the award may be given to works of Science Fiction or Fantasy. However, determining whether a particular work is one or the other is often a subjective judgement on which different people disagree: those people may include the books' publishers – a work of Fantasy might be labelled Science Fiction, or vice-versa, as a marketing strategy. (There is, after all, a sub-genre called Science Fantasy.)

Since the award was introduced in 1991 and is generally given to only one or two works per year, there are only 41 Winners in total (plus 5 pre-1991 Retrospectives and one 'Special Recognition') up to 2018. (There are rather more which have received the recognition of 'Honor.')

I suggest your best course would be to search both Wikipeda and elsewhere online (concentrating on reputable SF/Fantasy magazines and blogs if you're familiar with some) for descriptions of each of the 41 (or 46/7) winners, see how each is preponderantly described, and/or decide for yourself which you would define as Fantasy. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.58.107 (talk) 06:04, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Well thanks for the link and pointing it out errors in my thinking/research. I'm happy to trust the judgement of Wikipedians as to what is fantasy by the use of the genre in infobox. Also you prompted me to check out the recency of the otherwise award category page. It hasn't been updated in 3 years so it's partially useless.

I'd be happy though to pay someone a token amount to compile this fantasy list for me. AS part of this I'd get the person to update the category list. HOw do I go about doing this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid_editing_(proposal) suggests that paid editing is verboten.

1.132.104.139 (talk) 07:34, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

The list of awards is up to date. The Otherwise Award (and 'Honors', etc.) is/are given to a work or works published in a given calendar year (Jan–Dec), so cannot be considered until that calendar year is over, and they are announced at the Wiscon SF/F convention in Spring of the following year.

Thus the Award (and Honors) for works published in 2018 was announced in 2019, and the awards for 2019 will be announced in May of this year, 2020.

This official page has a table of all Otherwise Awards and Honors awarded for the years 1991 to 2018 inclusive, and contains links to detailed descriptions of each awardee. I suggest you follow the links, read the descriptions, and decide from them whether you adjudge each work to be Fantasy (or not). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.58.107 (talk) 22:20, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

The James_Tiptree_Jr._Award-winning_works Category Page is not up to date. It only has 21 pages, 2 of which are meta pages and only 19 which are linked to articles about novels. It was last updated in 2016 as well 3 years ago. For my search to work it needs the category page to be up to date. You're confusing list of award article with list of award category.

1.132.104.139 (talk) 11:18, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

When you are linking to a category page you need to precede its name by a colon. When you included the category name without a colon it tried to put this help page into the category, so I have added the colon and the link now shows. The fact that the category page history doesn't show any changes since 2016 doesn't mean that pages haven't been added to the category since then; the history shows only edits to the category page itself. Pages being added or removed from the category don't show in the history (for example your putting this help page into the category didn't show in the category page history). --David Biddulph (talk) 11:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Paid editing is not forbidden, but it is discouraged and there are some constraints. It is very rare that somebody is interested in paying somebody else to edit except for the purpose of promoting someone or something. If you are keen on getting that table updated, and unable or unwilling to do it yourself, then you may pay somebody to do it, though I don't know how you would find somebody. If you post a request at WikiProject Novels/Fantasy task force I suspect you'll find somebody willing to do it without pay, though of course I may be wrong. --ColinFine (talk) 14:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Update

Update Qanon page now that you have seen history 👌🇺🇸 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:804:200:6850:28CA:2614:6B22:7369 (talk) 03:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, please do not post at this help desk and 'demand' that something be done. If you are unable to edit the page yourself please propose changes you wish to see made at the article talk page. See Template:Request edit for how to do this. It is essential that you include sources. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 03:39, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

WikiHelp

How do i create a new wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by APandaCat (talk • contribs) 03:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

@APandaCat: You can create a new article on any topic that is notable by our definition: see WP:N. Any attempt to create a page on a non-notable topic will fail. Therefore, start by finding reliable sources WP:RS that show notability. There are many way to mess this up, so look at Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability). Do not proceed until you have found at least two sources that establish notability. When you find them, proceed to Help:Your first article. Good luck! -Arch dude (talk) 04:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Here is another essential article for you, APandaCat: Your first article. --Quisqualis (talk) 05:32, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

This page is fill with ridiculous amount of table templates technical info =

Ryzen is still fill with ridiculous amount of table templates. What should be done if the talk age is inactive or project page is inactive. Unless something really happens to the page like getting move or deleted then they starts to show. Regice2020 (talk) 07:32, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Regice2020, I would personally be tempted to wp:boldly remove the lot per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, but given there seems to be activity on Talk:Ryzen, I'd post there first ~~ Alex Noble - talk 10:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.243.20.58 (talk) 05:51, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Reply @Alex Noble: I understand, but any edits gets challenged if it does not fit the "hyped AMD users agenda". This all started to rise when AMD started to beat its competitors in some things few years ago. Its alarming this "hype" has taken over Wikipedia Ryzen. How do i even change it? If i use a smartphone to look for a specific information. I should not have to scroll soo long down through the tables just to get to that information. Regice2020 (talk) 07:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Regice2020, if you think that consensus of the entire site will give a different result to consensus on the article's talk page, you can open a wp:request for comment, following the instructions at WP:RFCST. It is preferred that you have a discussion on article talk first though. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 08:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Alex Noble: Ok, but i feel like these consensus going be WP:STEALTH.

Do you have to sign accusations of SOCK and SINGLE PURPOSE?

Or can you just add to users comments without signing? Example : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FRace_and_intelligence_%284th_nomination%29&type=revision&diff=939890994&oldid=939890069 Peregrine Fisher (talk) 10:19, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher, typically, SPA or canvassed tags aren't signed on AFD. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 10:31, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

minor correction to Atlanta

the following should be corrected

"the Atlanta University Center, a historically black college made"

to the Atlanta University Center Consortium, a group of historically black colleges made. there is no reason to change the current references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trust96 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Trust96, you should ask at talk:atlanta, however, we generally don't use what a company's official name is, opting for the commonly used name instead - Wikipedia:Official names is about article titles, but the same principle applies. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 17:08, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hola VPN

Can Hola (VPN) be used to edit without IP Block Exemption? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.242.89.245 (talk) 19:02, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

It is not permitted to use a VPN of any kind to edit Wikipedia unless you have an IP block exemption- and those are rarely granted, and only to those with an exceptional need(more than just a general interest in privacy or security). 331dot (talk) 19:07, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm. Interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.246.123.131 (talk) 02:13, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

In the battle between block evaders and the admins who try to stop them, who has been winning so far? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.243.25.204 (talk) 02:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Define "winning". ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:38, 10 February 2020 (UTC)