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November 25

Small calendar template

Hello,

I'd like to add the small monthly calendar template located in the top right of date wikipedia pages (for example, in July 19) to my userpage. I checked the page's source code, and it says the template is {{calendar}}. When I add this, my userpage ends up with a large yearly calendar, and when I try and fix this by setting it to the current month, I get a string of errors in the broken template.

Does anyone have any advice on what's happening and if I'm doing something wrong?

User:Heyoostorm^_talk! 01:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Heyoostorm: I just looked at the source code of {{calendar}}. It is setting some of its parameters based on the page name of the page that includes it (?!). You will need to set those parameters yourself to get the result you want on your page. -Arch dude (talk) 01:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Thank you for that info. I was trying to answer the question and got confused on how {{calendar}} knows what to display on pages like July 19 when there are no paramters given to it. RudolfRed (talk) 01:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone, I got it to work. User:Heyoostorm^_talk! 14:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Are talk pages subject to rules about content and how to address repetitive claims in talk pages?

I see that a talk page about a university contains claims of sexism and being a "hotbed for the far-right" [1] with a series of links that do not say that according to talk history. It seems that the issue already has been addressed in the talk page archives [2] but that the user copy pasted its claim in the main talk page, without the answers, for it to stick to online readers. Can be considered an abusive use of talk page or should people give again the same answers to the same claims? Is there something to do about it?

Besides, it is written on the user page that he has been aggressive in the past against others, and he has been against me (I wrote something in the ANI, but with no answer) and I don't want to be on the receiving end of his attacks any more, is there a way to pass on the issue to somebody else (just raising the issue but not being involved so that the user does not attack me)?

Thank you.

Delfield (talk) 10:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

See Talk:University of Paris II Panthéon-Assas#Translation help needed. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

...and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#XIIIfromTOKYO (need an admin who speaks French). --Guy Macon (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Guy Macon: Thank you. The thing is I do not want to be part of the discussion, because of the aggressiveness of the other user, and I do not see how that won't turn ugly. Is there a way to state that I wish to stay out of it? I put back the answers from another user so that I do not have to check this again. --Delfield (talk) 14:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I advise saying that you do not want to be part of the discussion as a response to the ANI notice on your talk page (so it is easy to find) and then staying silent. Let the admins deal with this without you trying to "help". --Guy Macon (talk) 15:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I followed you advice. I understand that you need first to see if the claims are right, but I wish to stress that my original point was that he seems to have made such claims A LOT of times, that they have been answered, but he comes back anyway with those claims in the talk page to people to see, without the answers. And I wondered if there was a policy against that.

Please also note that all you links to the ANI are broken since the user changed the title of your section (for it not to refer to him any more, but to make it look as if it was primarily about the university page). Should one modify the links it my talk page and here? I cannot do it since it is in your text.

He also claims in the ANI that I insulted him, but as you advised, I won't intervene to defend myself, he would double down on his comments if I do anyway.

--Delfield (talk) 22:33, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Helpful hint: the best way to not discuss something is to not discuss it. Saying that you don't want to discuss it and them writing another paragraph or two isn't an effective way to not discuss it.

"In the clearing stands a boxer, and a fighter by his trade;

And he carries the reminders, of every glove that laid him down,

or cut him till he cried out, in his anger and his shame;

'I am leaving, I am leaving', But the fighter still remains..."

--The Boxer, by Simon & Garfunkel

--Guy Macon (talk) 23:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Guy Macon: Ok, thanks! --Delfield (talk) 17:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Linking query

Trying to link just the Saracen in Saracenhorns like this: "[[Saracen]]horns" but it's assuming I want the whole word (appears like Saracenhorns). Is there a way to just get the "Saracen" of the word linked? Aza24 (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: Yes, there is, like this: Saracenhorns. It works with other Tags wich break the rendering as well, including <span> Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:04, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Perfect, thank you! Aza24 (talk) 12:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24 and Victor Schmidt mobil: Please just don't do it, per WP:PLA. If Saracenhorn is closely related to Saracens, you can just mention them in the text and then link the topic directly. If it's not, there's no need for the link (similarly, you would not link Lake in 'Los Angeles [Lake]rs', would you?) --CiaPan (talk) 11:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@CiaPan: Ah yes, another random "explanatory supplement" no one has ever heard of :) Don't worry, this isn't the text where talking about. It's a section of a medieval French poem that demonstrates on example of something being discussed – unrelated to Saracens. I only linked because the section mentions "Saracenhorn" at some point and it seems likely to be an unfamiliar word to most readers ("Weep, harps and Saracenhorns, for..."). Aza24 (talk) 12:11, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Richard Nixon talk page archiving

There seems to be a problem with the archiving bot at Talk:Richard Nixon. A lot of the more recent discussions seem to have been added to the first and second archived talk pages. I'd be grateful if someone could have a look at this and hopefully fix it (I don't have a clue how to do it myself). Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 12:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Viennese Waltz, post this at the noticeboard for this sort of thing. The people there will help. This forum is more for general questions. {{u|Squeeps10}} {Talk} Please ping when replying. 22:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

OK thanks, I'll go there then. --Viennese Waltz 10:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

wikidumps sha1 segments ...

Technical details relating to a question about WP database dumps

I downloaded some of the 20200920 bz2 wikidumps and took care of checking their md5 and sha1 sums. To my understanding there is simply no way that the content of the compressed files containing the pages (which I have also eyeballed) could have been corrupted without anyone noticing. Yet, when you decompress them you will see <sha1>...</sha1> segments containing CDATA inside of every <page>...</page> segment right after the <text bytes="[byte length of the UTF-8 text]" xml:space="...">...</text> (which "bytes" (length) value I have checked for every text segment). The sha1 string value which doesn't make any sense to me, because: * sha1 values are 40 bytes long * sha1sum Linux utility is telling me it doesn't seem to be right let's use as an example: frwiki-20200920-pages-articles-multistream6.xml-p13574284p13592810.bz2 <page> <title>The New Woody Woodpecker Show</title> <ns>0</ns> <id>13580602</id> <redirect title="Le Nouveau Woody Woodpecker Show" /> <revision> <id>174712998</id> <timestamp>2020-09-14T13:14:29Z</timestamp> <contributor> <username>Bob08</username> <id>14737</id> </contributor> <comment>lien</comment> <model>wikitext</model> <format>text/x-wiki</format> <text bytes="49" xml:space="preserve">#REDIRECTION Le Nouveau Woody Woodpecker Show</text> <sha1>276az6ruof7t45y5svax3omeamdxps3</sha1> </revision> </page> ~ 276az6ruof7t45y5svax3omeamdxps3 is only 31 bytes long and this is what Linux message digest utilities tell me: $ echo "#REDIRECTION Le Nouveau Woody Woodpecker Show" | sha1sum f1160df2ed230af750122eb08376dfb9251b8951 - $ sha1sum "/home/lbrtchx/cmllpz/temp/checkSHA1.txt" f1160df2ed230af750122eb08376dfb9251b8951 /home/lbrtchx/cmllpz/temp/checkSHA1.txt $ cat "/home/lbrtchx/cmllpz/temp/checkSHA1.txt" REDIRECTION Le Nouveau Woody Woodpecker Show ~ So, I have three related questions: * What do those "sha1" segments inside of each "page" right bellow the "text" segment mean? * Do you know of any "anatomical" analysis posted officially by wikipedia or anyone else with the explanation of the meaning of the tags they use? I could understand as topical such tags as: en|User talk ja|Category ru|Категория en|Category talk en|Category ar|تصنيف ko|분류 ja|Wikipedia ru|Шаблон ja|Template en|Wikipedia en|Template ru|Википедия en|Template talk ko|틀 en|Draft but I am not so sure about: ja|The Ultimate Fighter en|Star Wars ru|Pirates of the Caribbean ja|Pokémon the Series are those colons in the titles officially used to define general topical matters such as Categories or anyone can just type a colon in a title to a message? or both? and in the last case which topics are owned by wikipedia and which aren't? * There is also some funky mark up they use inside of their text segment which is xml-ish but not exactly xml. All I've heard was that such mark up is used as part of the processing through a mysql database. Could you safely use that kind of mark up to parse the document's segments? lbrtchx

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Albretch Mueller (talk • contribs) 12:09, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Albretch Mueller. This is a page for help with editing, and few people who inhabit here know much about database dumps. I suggest you ask at VPT. (Note that if you start a line with a space, it comes out preformatted, so please don't do that for the textual part of your question). --ColinFine (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

SVG upload problem: unsafe css

Hello, I have used the online tool Vectr to edit and improve an existing Wikimedia SVG file (of a geographic map) but when I use the Upload Wizard I get this message: "found unsafe css in the style element of uploaded svg file". I used the Vectr tool previously to edit and successfully upload SVG files. Is there a simple fix? Is there a simple tool to import and export a clean Wikimedia-compliant version? I looked at using Inkscape but it seems complicated to install and use. I tried LibreOffice Draw but struggled to ungroup everything. Could I send the SVG to someone who is an expert who could quickly load and correct it? Thanks for any assistance you can offer, Douglal (talk) 12:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

You might want to go to https://css-tricks.com/tools-for-optimizing-svg/ and look at the section that says "Web Apps: The idea with these tools is that you have an SVG on your machine and you upload it to this web app to optimize this one SVG."

If one of the tools works for you -- and especially if one of the tools reveals all of CSS in the SVG file -- please post your results here. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:41, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks Guy Macon. I used the SVGOMG tool with all its default clean-up settings and I had to turn on "Remove style elements" which fixed the problem. I've just uploaded the new slimmed down SVG to Wikimedia. Perfect! Cheers, Douglal (talk) 14:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

UVB-76: Revisions

25 November 2020 edits to UVB-76 were remove "because it did not appear constructive"

The first air date references make an unsubstantiated claim that UVB-76 was first heard in 1973, there is no proof of this and none is given by the "source" The claim is hearsay and has no basis in fact, because no evidence of this is provided to the reader.

The YouTube video is a fake, unless proven if in fact it was from 2 August 1976. The YouTube poster has never replied back to any "its a fake" comments nor does this YouTube poster have any other videos to back up this claim.

Keeping these poorly created "references" degrades the Wikipedia reputation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.38.107.53 (talk) 15:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Your edits were removed (IMO) because they amounted to 'talking' within an article. This is not an encyclopedic way of dealing with perceived issues. If you have concerns about the content of an article, please start a discussion at its talk page – in this case at Talk:UVB-76 but please be sure to check the contents of the talk page for any related or previous discussions. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 15:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Charlie Jones (Musician)

Hello I represent Charlie Jones - Charlie Jones (musician) The site says it needs additional citation for verification Can you pleas elet me know what you need as we would very much like to sort it out asap! Many thanks for your help Carole Say — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helrecs (talk • contribs) 15:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Helrecs As noted in the notice on the article, independent reliable sources are needed to support the article's content. If you have such sources, please offer them on the article talk page as a formal edit request(click for instructions). Please also see your user talk page for important information about formal disclosures you may need to make. 331dot (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(e/c) See Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. However, you should not really be editing the article at all as you have a conflict of interest, see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. --Viennese Waltz 16:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Helrecs, you can discuss improvements to the article at Charlie Jones (musician). Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Correct link is Talk:Charlie Jones (musician). Joseph2302 (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Andreas Roloff citation

Hello, I recently created Andreas Roloff by translating it from German to English. I made a mistake in carrying over the citations. I thought they would all transfer over, but I think I did it incorrectly. Is there an easier way than having to go through the article and change every last number box to the proper citation? Is there a bot that will do this automatically? Thank you. Thriley (talk) 19:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Thriley. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I suspect based on the contours of your question that there isn't one. Footnotes are automatically numbered in the text when they populate from the spots where there are <ref>...</ref> tags. So, for example, if you left out the citation that was in the original German article that had been numbered footnote 6, but placed the citations from the original that were numbered 7 through 100 from that original, those would automatically then display as 6 through 99. If I'm missing the issue, though, please advise. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

suspicions template

Template:DriverDB driver appears to be a system to generate external links to a commercial website and these links are very valuable for SEO purposes. I noticed it today on the Lewis Hamilton article. I do not know what is the protocol for deletion of a template, so I thought I would ask about it here. This looks abusive. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jtbobwaysf: It is used over 1000 pages and has existed since 2011. I don't think it is being used for spamming. You could start a discussion on the template's talk page and ping some of the editors of the template that are still active. Or you can ask on the talk page of one of the article's using it and perhaps someone can explain its use. If you feel strongly that it should be deleted, the venue is WP:TFD RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Estella Warren

I’m not a fan of Estella Warren, the actress. I do like the info about her. I don’t like the picture of her. It looks like she’s in distress or being arrested by the police. Can someone change the photo If Estella to a more current one, that shows a better image of her, please? 20:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.246.240 (talk)

Hello, IP user. Anybody can replace the photo - provided they have a replacement with the required free licence. The only other picture currently in Wikimedia Commons is File:Estella Warren 2008.jpg, which doesn't look like an improvement. Unless somebody contacts Warren or her agent, and asks for a better photo to be donated by the copyright holder, the only way it's going to happen is if somebody gets an opportunity to snap her, and chooses to release their photo and upload it to Commons. This is why so many articles have either no photo or a poort one: Wikipedia interprets the laws of copyright very carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) IP editor, if you have an image that is in the public domain, void of copyright, or meets fair use criteria, I suggest starting a discussion at Talk:Estella Warren. Relevant links: Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Fair use criteria —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Given what the article says about her arrest and subsequent behaviour, the exisiting photo would seem entirely appropriate.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Shantavira, the choice of photographs in article should not reflect moral judgment of the subject, for pretty obvious WP:NPOV reasons. Ideally, we should use a neutral photo for everyone. In practice, the available material may constrain us; suitably-licensed photos of criminals are more likely to include degrading mugshots (see WP:MUG) than flattering red-carpet staged photoshoots. (Case in point: Al Capone does not have a mugshot as lead picture.) For actresses/actors, finding a posed, well-lit image is usually not very hard, but then there's the licensing thingie. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:19, 27 November 2020 (UTC)