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November 29

A correction that I had made

I made a correction to the article of Clinton Caldwell Boon. Whomever submitted it, had the name of his great granddaughter wrong. I was told there was nothing wrong with it--So you know what? A lot of your content is WRONG--and needs correcting. But you never have to worry about ME doing it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.85.179 (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! So you need any help with editing Wikipedia? Heart ^(talk) 00:42, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, did you have a reliable source that others can use to verify your claim? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, I have reasserted your correction, noting in my edit summary that it was per the source cited in the article. Probably a vandal fighter saw your one-letter change without an edit summary from an not-logged-in editor, and assumed it was a mistake. —teb728 t c 09:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Solved

 Courtesy link: 1920 United States presidential election

Dear Sir or Madam

The 1920 US Presidential Election page has been vandalized by to include grossly incorrect information and incorrect Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates and photos. I am not tech savvy enough to repair it. Can someone capable please repair it, lock out and banish the vandal and lock down the US Presidential election pages?

Thank you,

Scott — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5F80:75A0:9162:CA8D:B775:1FCC (talk) 04:43, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

The issue has been fixed, thanks for pointing it out :) CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 05:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

"Sortable" second row is visible when table is collapsed

At Garratt#Production list, I had hoped to have only the table header ("Garratt ... manufacturers") visible when the table was in the collapsed state. Instead, the second header row is visible as well. How can I fix this, please? One problem I have is that the data rows in the table are coded differently from the way I do it; I think my lack of understanding of this is the reason I haven't been able to troubleshoot it myself. Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 12:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

@SCHolar44: AFAIK you cant collapse header rows seperately. The only chance to collapse this would be either to wrap it with another table soely for collapsing, or to build some sort of <div>-construct. This works for example:

Collapsing text

Title	Title	Title
1	2	3
4	5	6
7	8	9

Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:13, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Victor. Much appreciated. Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 22:39, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Living Person page creation

Hello

I would like to know what reliable or notable sources we can use from Zimbabwe for page creations on artists and musicians locally who have only been written about in Zimbabwean mainstream newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luttygandawa (talk • contribs) 12:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Luttygandawa, yes, mainstream newspapers are usually good sources. However, keep in mind that press releases by the subject or the subjects agents or promoters, and interviews of the subject and closely related people do not count for notability. For musicians there  is a specific notability guide that you should follow. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:37, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Starting a Wiki page

 Courtesy link: Draft:Dianna Cohen

My Dianna Cohen was rejected please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgorman60 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jgorman60: Please see the explanation on your user talk page (User talk:Jgorman60). Your draft included direct copying from pages on the Internet. These are copyright violations. Wikipedia takes copyright law very seriously, and copyright violations will always be removed immediately, so we cannot even use the "draft" review process to help you. Start over, using only your own words, but referencing those other pages. -Arch dude (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Uploading pictures

I have received three pictures in my possession that I wanted to upload and post to wikipedia from someone that is the executor of the estate for a notable figure, Ruth Williams Cupp. The first is a picture of a campaign poster, the second is a picture taken by that person's mother of campaigning, and the third is a picture taken by a professional photographer of Mrs. Cupp. For the third picture, Mrs. Cupp paid for the photograph in the 1960s from the professional photographer and the person who is the executor of the estate believes that the deceased had all the rights to the picture in its entirety because she paid for it (it was like a glamour shot from back in the day). The person that shared the pictures with me doesn't know wikipedia well so she can't upload it. I wanted to upload the pictures and use them on the article but I wasn't sure the best way to do that and the best way to explain ownership of the pictures. Any advice on how to do this would be welcomed. Remember (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

In re the professional photo: They are wrong. Unless there is a contract stating otherwise or it's unambiguously a work-for-hire, copyright rests with the photographer. Buying the actual photo is just that - buying the physical photograph. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 21:36, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Remember. I'm afraid that you are probably mostly scuppered by copyright law (not by Wikipedia's rules, though we do apply them more strictly than many); but maybe not entirely. We require that most pictures be licensed in such a way that anybody may reuse them for any purpose, and we require that the legal owner of the copyright - not somebody on their behalf - tell us so (see donating copyright materials). I think the previous reply is probably right, but it depends exactly what is meant by "paid for the photograph". However, Wikipedia does accept copyright materials in certain cases, provided all the criteria in the non-free content criteria are met. A picture of a deceased person, to illustrate an article about that person, is quite likely to meet those criteria (but normally only one picture). If you think your use can meet those criteria, then you (or anybody) can upload the picture to Wikipedia itself (not to Wikimedia Commons, where most pictures go) using the Upload wizard, and choosing the option "Upload Locally to Wikipedia". I believe that when you have uploaded it, it will offer you the text that you need to paste into the article to get it to show - please come back and ask if you have difficulty. --ColinFine (talk) 22:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

OK. To clarify, it sounds like the third professional picture may or may not be okay and I need to look more into that. But I assume the other two pictures are okay, correct? Remember (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I've added the first two pictures to the article. You can see the pictures here - Ruth Williams Cupp. Thank you for your help! Remember (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Canada’s capital

On the wiki page I looked up population of Ontario and it brought me to wiki page. States Toronto as capital ... Toronto is not the capital Ottawa is our capital. Just didn’t know where to tell anyone about this mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:5A62:3500:BC6C:7F62:5168:2169 (talk) 19:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

IP please note the sentence reads "It is home to the nation's capital city, Ottawa, and the nation's most populous city, Toronto, which is also Ontario's provincial capital." This the info is correct. MarnetteD|Talk 19:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Title / disambiguation

I'm trying to make an article about a Guyanese former professional boxer named Joseph Murray, however Joe Murray (boxer) already exists for an English boxer, and Joseph Murray (boxer) redirects to that article since it's his birth name. What would be the best solution here? Cheers. JTtheOG (talk) 20:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

JTtheOG I believe the next step if name and profession are the same is to differentiate by birth year, such as "John Doe (boxer, born 1980)". 331dot (talk) 20:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

JTtheOG, maybe move Joe Murray (boxer) to Joe Murray (English boxer), disambiguate Joseph Murray (boxer), and then create your article under Joseph Murray (Guyanese boxer). Something along those lines, or you could go by birth year. Heart ^(talk) 20:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I think User:331dot's solution is more benefitial. Heart ^(talk) 20:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

However, JTtheOG, unless you are very practised in creating new articles, I strongly suggest that you use the articles for creation process and create a draft. When you submit it for review, and a reviewer accepts it, they will sort out the disambiguation as needed. --ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

 Courtesy link: Dianna Cohen

In 2010, Dianna was invited to give a TED Talk on Mission Blue in the Galapagos Islands. Entitled “Tough Truths About Plastic Pollution,” her talk has been viewed more than 1million times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgorman60 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JGoram60: if you have a reliable source unconnected with Cohen or TED, that says so, then that information can go in the article. Otherwise it should not. --ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Repinging JGorman60 -- ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)