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December 12

Monthly donor, annoying solicitation

Hey, I give monthly to Wikipedia, but every time I go to the site, I get the annoying "this is the xth time" notice. How can I contribute without getting the annoying hassle? Mark Chattanooga — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1005:B1EF:6D2C:A106:456:E978:4202 (talk) 02:37, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the Banners tab, and uncheck Fundraising. Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 02:55, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Why do you shoot yourselves in the feet?

I used to donate every year and even submit the payment info for a corporate match. However, when I saw how blatantly political many of the entries became, I stopped.

Why can’t you be a trusted resource? Why did you have to shoot yourselves in the feet?

I’ll take my answer offline, just like I took my money. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.255.139 (talk) 08:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

No, you should not trust Wikipedia as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a topic. If there is any article that does not do that, please point that out on the article talk page along with any reliable sources you have to support your proposed changes. Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias, as everyone, including you and me, has biases. Wikipedia presents sources to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. We don't claim anything here is the truth, see WP:TRUTH, only that we do our best to present what is here with a neutral point of view. Again, if there is an article where that is not being done, please tell us, and why. You are, of course, free to donate or not donate based on whatever criteria you wish to use. 331dot (talk) 08:19, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, how do i sign in? Im using tablet. Thanks--130.105.118.77 (talk) 12:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

If you already have an account, you can log in here (see also Help:Logging in). If you don't have an account yet, you can create one here. Please remember to review the username policy in that case. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

If I am a living Artist and am not on Wiki ...Do I exist?

I request a third-party Wikipedia real Author to create my existence on the Wiki pages, I am a Visual Artist and as noted to me by Art Collectors, I do not exist if I am not on Wikipedia and sister art sites. Could someone please create me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimitris C. Milionis (talk • contribs) 13:02, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Can't help as to whether you exist, but whether you are notable is a different matter. Look up Existentialism for the former, and Wikipedia:Notability for help on the latter. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:34, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Dimitris C. Milionis, if it's any consolation, I don't exist either. Try Wikipedia:Requested articles. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Alexis Jazz Thank you for your interest in my Query and input, notable correctly noted FYI only Dimitris C. Milionis (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Dimitris C. Milionis, I've done a web search and found a work from you on Sotheby's with an estimate of 1,000 - 1,500 GBP, found that you were the property master for the 1981 film 17 Bullets for an Angel and you had several exhibitions. Obviously you have risen above the level of a hobby painter, but Wikipedia's notability guideline for artists is quite high and I don't believe you currently meet it. Wikipedia isn't an index of all people, all artists or even all good artists. Being good isn't even a requirement, making something terrible that goes the world over is more likely to result in notability by Wikipedia's standards. So requesting an article would also be futile. Sorry I have no better news for you. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Alexis Jazz Again Thank you for your interest, I am married, work and live from the Craft of my Art since 1989, it's not a hobby. But note not everything recorded is on the internet, but I am sure you know this, again thank you! Dimitris C. Milionis (talk) 21:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Dimitris C. Milionis. Unfortunately, many people have a completely and fundamentally wrong understanding of what Wikipedia is, and it sounds as if the collectors you mention have this problem too. Most artists, most musicians, most people, most bands, most galleries, most CEOs, most companies, most brands, most academics, most non-profits, most members of nearly any category you can think of, could not be the subject of a Wikipedia article, because not enough material has been independently published about them - the jargon for this is that they do not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for notability. This says nothing at all about whether these various people and things exist or not: it just says that there is not enough independent published material about them to base an encyclopaedia article on. If enough material has been written and published about you (by people wholly unconnected with you, and not fed information by you or your associates), or if you meet the special conditions mentions in NARTIST, then it is possible that we could have an article about you. If so, this article should preferably not be written by you, and in any case it will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not necessarily say what you want it to say (and may not be used for promotion of any kind), and should be based almost entirely on what those people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about you (whether you like what they said or not), and not on what you or your associates say or want to say. --ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine Thank you for your input, the article mentioned was posted by me but written by an Art Historian see link Dimitris C. Milionis (talk) 20:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Dimitris C. Milionis, there are no "sister art sites" to Wikipedia, just as there are no "sister art sites" to the Encyclopedia Britannica. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Uporządnicki Thank you for noting no "sister art sites" related to wiki, I was refering to Wikiart.org I thought they were related. Dimitris C. Milionis (talk) 21:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Dimitris C. Milionis, Wikipedia is not related to WikiArt beyond having an article about the site. I suspect the notability guideline for WikiArt is less strict, so perhaps they would accept an article about you. But we can't help you with that, you'd have to ask them. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I would ignore those art collectors - anyone relying strictly on a crowdsourced, potentially-inaccurate general encyclopaedia as opposed to dedicated art-criticism fora for something like this is not worth your time. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jéské Couriano Thank you for your point of view, but every individual or art collector in my case will look up Wikipedia and there are many living visual artists much younger than my self with reference. One takes all info found as religious to their trade on the internet. Dimitris C. Milionis (talk) 21:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Dimitris C. Milionis, it's not about age either. Either they have been reported on by reputable independent reliable sources or otherwise meet our notability guideline or we have their article in error. If you believe an artist who has an article doesn't meet the notability guideline you can request a review by creating an AfD request. (easiest to perform with WP:Twinkle, or just name the articles here and one of us will probably have a look) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

It's presumably not about time but money. If some art collectors are more likely to buy works by an artist with a Wikipedia biography then I can certainly understand that they want a biography. It's just not a factor for us. We aren't here to promote people or products. @Dimitris C. Milionis: Thanks for only trying to request an article and not making one like you did in 2005. Sixteen years is a long time to wait but I'm afraid our policies have only become stricter. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, PrimeHunter Thank you, but I only reposted an article about me written by an Art Historian. See the original text Dimitris C. Milionis (talk) 21:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Thomas Beaumont (died 1614)

Hi from France !

Thomas Beaumont can't neither be born in 1576 nor having died at the age of 38 (8th line), as his daughter Elizabeth Richardson, 1st Lady Cramond was herself born in 1576 and married on 27 November 1594.

His father Nicholas Beaumont was born about 1520 and his brothers Henry Beaumont (died 1607) about 1545 and Huntingdon Beaumont about 1560, so Thomas should be born about 1550/1555.

Could someone verify in primary sources ? Thanks a lot ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jagellon (talk • contribs) 17:27, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Jagellon: Please discuss at the article talk page or you can use request edit to propose changes and you will need to provide sources. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:37, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for not having signed, I always forget... In the french Wikipedia, those sort of comments are added in this section, that's why I did so. I don't have any sources, that's the reason why I ask someone to verify ! But one thing is clear : these data in englisch Wikipedia are incoherent and must be corrected, as a father and his daughter can't be born in the same year :). And now I'll copy my request in the article talk page, as you told me. Jagellon (talk) 17:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Looks like this has been fixed to 1955. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Could I copy the text from an article into a Wiki article without changing anything or would that be plagiarism?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59623970

For example could I take this text from the article, "At least 80 people have died in the state, including dozens in a candle factory, and the death toll is expected to rise above 100." and put it in the Tornado outbreak of December 10–11, 2021 article without changing any words? Or would that be plagiarism? Ak-eater06 (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ak-eater06: See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. ― Qwerfjkltalk 18:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Qwerfjkl I'm not copying within Wiki, I'm copying from another article (BBC). Ak-eater06 (talk) 18:51, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ak-eater06: Copying from that article would be plagiarism and a violation of the copyright policy because the BBC article is protected by copyright, so please be sure to always summarize information from sources using your own words. There is more information about this at Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright, and feel free to ask more questions if anything is unclear. DanCherek (talk) 18:54, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Even if you could copy it, it would be inadvisable because encylopedia articles are written differently from news stories. News sources report events sequentially: this happened, then that happened. Encyclopedias organize information according to importance. TFD (talk) 19:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I’ve already donated

Hello. I donated to your org within the past two months. Why do you keep asking. Please stop. Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.40.167 (talk) 20:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the Banners tab, and uncheck Fundraising. Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.

Verbarson (talk) 20:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

You could be a supermodel or Norman Mailer and Wikipedia would never be able to know the difference because MediaWiki - the software it runs on - is configured to not compromise your privacy in that manner. If you have or register an account, you can turn off the fundraising banners in your account preferences under the "Banners" tab. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:23, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

There's no need to add unrelated wikilinks when the above message gets the point across clearly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

The wikilink isn't unrelated; that line is a reference to one of their songs. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:16, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

It's a confusing link when the line isn't mentioned there. As I said at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 December 2#My edits don't show up: Please don't use weird easter egg links when helping users. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not funny, and frankly it's quite rude to someone who's looking for a simple and direct answer. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

How to remove blank search suggestion

When I start Wikipedia on the main page obviously the search box is blank.

When I click on the search box a suggestion appears. How do I remove that suggestion? I cannot find where it has been stored.I am using Windows 10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pstaveley (talk • contribs) 22:35, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

This might be something browser-side. As far as I know, the only time it should offer suggestions should be when you've begun typing in it, and even then the suggestions should match what you're already typing in. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

That's the magic of autofill. Depending on your browser, if you turn if off you might have to turn it off for all forms. I suggest you Google (your browser name) + autofill + settings.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:30, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Pstaveley: In most Chrome-based browsers (so including modern Microsoft Edge) you can hover your mouse over the unwanted suggestion and a "trash" icon should appear next to it, allowing it to be discarded. It is nothing specific to Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for everyone's help. A trash can does not appear. However, the suggestion about clearing the browsing history seems to have worked. I am not certain exactly where it was held but I found that by selecting Browsing History, Download History, Password and other sign-in data, Auto-fill form settings, and Site settings seems to have cleared the issue. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pstaveley (talk • contribs) 18:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)